Every 16-year-old in Sweden to receive copy of We Should All Be Feminists

Victor · 05-12-2015 01:54AM

kettlehead wrote: »

Norra Real high school

If this was April 1, one would think that's Norra Real name.

05-12-2015 01:58AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Thats is never going to happen in a western education system, period. And that;s not jus ta specific comment related to femiism.

Critical thinking is planned as an important component of new junior cycle curriculum fyi but yknow whatever mannn

http://ncca.ie/framework/doc/NCCA-Junior-Cycle.pdf

the_syco · 05-12-2015 02:53AM

fleet_admiral wrote: »

Can you tell us one right that men have that women dont

Look at the family courts, and you'll see fathers have less rights than the mothers. And the rights seem to decrease over time. I think the "pay gap" is a feminists latest thing to focus on?

Herb Powell · 05-12-2015 03:08AM

What are people so scared of here? I don't get it.

DarkyHughes · 05-12-2015 03:31AM

Pseudorandom wrote: »

Very strong feelings to have about an essay you haven't even read.

And also considering Sweden is one of the most stable countries in the world.

Just any excuse to have a pop at Muslims seems to do.

NachoBusiness · 05-12-2015 03:32AM

Herb Powell wrote: »

What are people so scared of here? I don't get it.

Nobody is "scared". They are annoyed.

Annoyed at third wave feminist arsehats being given free reign to shove their propaganda pamphlets down children's throats, in what is undoubtedly yet another concerted and brazen effort at manipulating up and coming generations into seeing the world in the skewed and agenda saturated way which they see it.

DarkyHughes · 05-12-2015 03:39AM

cantdecide wrote: »

Feminism good.
Masculinity bad.

Right. I think I finally got it.

Nope, you've got the hang of trolling down well tho.

05-12-2015 03:40AM

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Nope, you've got the hang of trolling down well tho.

Not strongly bothered on this issue but that was a pretty fair summary of the post imo

One eyed Jack · 05-12-2015 03:47AM

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Nope, you've got the hang of trolling down well tho.

Ahh fairness DH, I think 'twas Joey was engaging in a bit of schadenfreude on this occasion with this post -

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

It's a fantastic idea to educate young people about feminism. It's also great in that it highlights how masculinity restricts men so much.

I was going to say "if I didn't know better", but I resisted, because there's nothing likely to be gained from asking Joey what he means by that when he didn't care to develop the points the first time.

I for one have certainly never felt restricted by my masculinity, and having read some of the work of the author of that book, it's the usual nonsense of "men should be allowed to feel vulnerable, women should be encouraged and be strong, yada yada", why can both sexes not be encouraged be strong and ambitious?

The author doesn't like the idea of using the term "human rights" instead of "feminism" because she "feels it is dishonest", that "women have been excluded and oppressed for centuries"...

Is this the sort of ideology we really want to be teaching anyone? Be the victim, 800 years historical oppression, now it's our turn for boys to cry and girls to be in charge...

That's really not any sort of gender equality I'm familiar with!

B.A._Baracus · 05-12-2015 03:48AM

I hate feminism. I really do.
It's all just excuses. I am held back, blah blah blah, men make more than me because they are male, blah blah blah. SHUT THE FU*K UP!!!!! :mad:

You wanna talk about women being oppressed? then why dont feminists go over to the middle east?
But of course they won't because over there it's like the 'wild west' when it comes to laws and if they spoke up you know yourself :rolleyes:

So women in the western world talk about feminism. Because lets be honest it is a western-created word. But of course rather than just admit to the realities of life that it is hard and you've got 7 billion to compete with... No, no, it's men that are the problem!

Thats right. It's men who are the problem. Thats the reason why you arent earning 75k a year, even tho you never went to college or applied yourself or even tried etc ... it's because men hold you back

Alexis Sanchez · 05-12-2015 03:56AM

DarkyHughes wrote: »

And also considering Sweden is one of the most stable countries in the world.

Just any excuse to have a pop at Muslims seems to do.

Yet the Sweden Democrats are scoring around 20% - 25% in the recent opinion polls for their next GM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_general_election,_2018

The Swedes are rebelling against the Social Democrats and their PC, pro-mass immigration, pro-feminism nonsense.

My name is URL · 05-12-2015 04:05AM

Alexis Sanchez wrote: »

Yet the Sweden Democrats are scoring around 20% - 25% in the recent opinion polls for their next GM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_general_election,_2018

The Swedes are rebelling against the Social Democrats and their PC, pro-mass immigration, pro-feminism nonsense.

FG have about the same level of support in opinion polls. Is there a rebellion under way here too? People have been awfully quiet about it if so.

Yosef.coen · 05-12-2015 04:07AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

It's a fantastic idea to educate young people about feminism. It's also great in that it highlights how masculinity restricts men so much.

Of course the solution is to turn men into a lesser type of woman, ignoring the obvious scientific biological differences between the two sexes. Great idea altogether. Pseudo science at its best.

Herb Powell · 05-12-2015 04:15AM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Nobody is "scared". They are annoyed.

Annoyed at third wave feminist arsehats being given free reign to shove their propaganda pamphlets down children's throats, in what is undoubtedly yet another concerted and brazen effort at manipulating up and coming generations into seeing the world in the skewed and agenda saturated way which they see it.

Erra fucck it, safe spaces for all. And flags. Little ones.

manonboard · 05-12-2015 04:16AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

It's a fantastic idea to educate young people about feminism. It's also great in that it highlights how masculinity restricts men so much.

That's a really good point to make I didn't consider. The restrictions on men, particularly socially enforced ones about repressing emotions and being vulnerable, is a travesty placed upon men and male children... It leads to massive mental health issues and suicide, often the most common best case is that we get functioning males that are ridiculously underdeveloped to handle their happiness/difficulties in relationships and life.

manonboard · 05-12-2015 04:19AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Critical thinking is planned as an important component of new junior cycle curriculum fyi but yknow whatever mannn

http://ncca.ie/framework/doc/NCCA-Junior-Cycle.pdf

I was excited by that information.. but reading the link. It seem sooo minor. I really hope it expands drastically in the future. Its so sad to see the constant cycling of societal problems and same old solutions being used. More critical thinking would do wonders for us in every way.

manonboard · 05-12-2015 04:23AM

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Nope, you've got the hang of trolling down well tho.

Its just a thought in my head at the moment, but i think he wasn't actually that incorrect. Yes i do believe he was trolling but his points about feminism good and masculinity bad are pretty valid.

I think feminism is good as a whole (plenty of problems in it though, it gets corrupted) as it promotes equal rights for either gender.

masculinity though, that concept is less about equal rights and more about defining the role and attributes of a man. How to be manly per say.
That tends to trap men in very defined boxes that often contradicts their desires and needs. Its a sad state of affairs.

Im not sure what the word is for how we enforce roles/attribute on women. femininity? That could be compared against masculinity, but comparing feminism against it makes no sense.

Billy86 · 05-12-2015 04:33AM

Letree wrote: »

Sweden is heading for hell in a handcart. Stifling political correctness, 4th wave feminism and massive Islamic immigration. A mess is brewing.

Oh yeah, it's an absolute sh!thole up there.

It took until the third post until someone brought up Muslims though, not sure if that's above or below par these days on AH?

Billy86 · 05-12-2015 04:49AM

Alexis Sanchez wrote: »

Yet the Sweden Democrats are scoring around 20% - 25% in the recent opinion polls for their next GM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_general_election,_2018

The Swedes are rebelling against the Social Democrats and their PC, pro-mass immigration, pro-feminism nonsense.

Two things:

1. Your own link shows that they are polling at 27.6% as of the latest poll, a mere 2.5% lower than they received in the last election, and have been above 25% more often than below it. That's pretty disingenuous of you to list as "20-25%", but not nearly as much as the fact that...

2. They are polling higher than any other party in the country.

super_furry · 05-12-2015 05:04AM

There's a hell of a lot of newly registered accounts here who seem obsessed with talking about how nasty feminism is recently.

Nollog · 05-12-2015 05:20AM

super_furry wrote: »

There's a hell of a lot of newly registered accounts here who seem obsessed with talking about how nasty feminism is recently.

Probably afraid of having their account labeled a troll or bigot or what have you.

kettlehead · 05-12-2015 10:16AM

Billy86 wrote: »

Two things:

1. Your own link shows that they are polling at 27.6% as of the latest poll, a mere 2.5% lower than they received in the last election, and have been above 25% more often than below it. That's pretty disingenuous of you to list as "20-25%", but not nearly as much as the fact that...

2. They are polling higher than any other party in the country.

3. They are now also implementing Sweden Democrat policy - http://www.thelocal.se/20151124/sweden-set-to-tighten-asylum-rules-for-refugees

4. The IMF warned Sweden this week that mass immigration is going to drive up unemployment and cost them a lot of money - http://www.thelocal.se/20151202/imf-record-immigration-will-fuel-unemployment

5. Record numbers of Swedes are emigrating - http://www.thelocal.se/20140410/record-number-of-people-leave-sweden

6. Sweden Democrat are polling at 19.9%. Not bad for a party that is vilified by the media and every other politician alike - http://www.thelocal.se/20151201/sweden-democrats-surge-in-new-opinion-poll

Annasopra · 05-12-2015 10:19AM

cantdecide wrote: »

Feminism good.
Masculinity bad.

Right. I think I finally got it.

HaHaha

Means Of Escape · 05-12-2015 10:24AM

Millie Tant from Viz would be so proud.

Fr_Dougal · 05-12-2015 10:24AM

super_furry wrote: »

There's a hell of a lot of newly registered accounts here who seem obsessed with talking about how nasty feminism is recently.

Grenade rolling.

Billy86 · 05-12-2015 10:37AM

kettlehead wrote: »

3. They are now also implementing Sweden Democrat policy - http://www.thelocal.se/20151124/sweden-set-to-tighten-asylum-rules-for-refugees

4. The IMF warned Sweden this week that mass immigration is going to drive up unemployment and cost them a lot of money - http://www.thelocal.se/20151202/imf-record-immigration-will-fuel-unemployment

5. Record numbers of Swedes are emigrating - http://www.thelocal.se/20140410/record-number-of-people-leave-sweden

6. Sweden Democrat are polling at 19.9%. Not bad for a party that is vilified by the media and every other politician alike - http://www.thelocal.se/20151201/sweden-democrats-surge-in-new-opinion-poll

What in the world has any of that got to do with feminist essays in schools?

05-12-2015 10:46AM

We were forced to read Shakespearean plays about anti Semitism and the Prince who loved his mum and we all turned out pretty okay. That was a few years after the years and years of forced Catechism and Religion. I think an essay on feminism would have been more relevant and thought provoking.

I guess feminism is the new enemy for so many though. Certainly on AH.

Wibbs · 05-12-2015 10:55AM

Sand wrote: »

I cant say I am all that bothered what 16 year old Swedes do or read, but I find it bizarre that feminism is being advertised as some sort of equivalent with human rights or equality. It definitely is not.

Feminists unashamedly push for the interests of females, over and against the interests of men. Certainly in the 19th and 20th century this was not wholly inimical to a wider human rights/equality agenda, but in 2015 in the western world, its very much cherry picking privileges rather than responsibilities.

QFT. I'd add in spoofing of stats to engender moral panic. QV the pay gap, 1 in 4/6/3[delete as applicable] raped and the like.

cantdecide wrote: »

Feminism good.
Masculinity bad.

Right. I think I finally got it.

Simplistic though it is that's pretty much it for quite the number of people.

Wibbs · 05-12-2015 10:57AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think an essay on feminism would have been more relevant and thought provoking.

When an essay on feminism is compared more favourably than Hamlet we're through the looking glass and down the rabbit hole folks.

manonboard wrote: »

I think feminism is good as a whole as it promotes equal rights for either gender.

Ehh… no, no it doesn't. The clue is in the name and that's fine, but suggesting feminism is promoting equal rights is like suggesting Right wingers are promoting Socialism. It's a bit silly really.

05-12-2015 11:22AM

Wibbs wrote: »

When an essay on feminism is compared more favourably than Hamlet we're through the looking glass and down the rabbit hole folks.l.

Was making the point in terms of the alleged dangers of prescribed reading rather than a comparison of literary merit...but you must have known that.

Managed to get through Hamlet and not want to kill my uncle and marry my mum.

I guess this feminist essay is far more dangerous. And Swedish youth far more impressionable than we were.

Every 16-year-old in Sweden to receive copy of We Should All Be Feminists

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