Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

emmetlego · 03-12-2015 10:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

At what stage will people stop using the invincibles as an excuse for everything I wonder.

At what stage will people stop remembering how frickin good this team were and that his ethos hasn't changed?

It's very much a periodic cycle... It will come good again!

** He said hopefully **

greendom · 03-12-2015 10:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Wasn't great last time but had little to aim for. He consistently gets great pace and dip on it, just a matter of having a target to aim for.

Don't buy that - Giroud was in the box for most if not all of Monreal's attempts. Admittedly there were a lot of Norwich defenders too but you would have thought that 1 or 2 of the crosses would have got close to a blue shirt.

Don't get me wrong I think Monreal's great and his attacking play is very inventive at times but he was poor last Sunday.

03-12-2015 11:14PM

emmetlego wrote: »

At what stage will people stop remembering how frickin good this team were and that his ethos hasn't changed?

It's very much a periodic cycle... It will come good again!

** He said hopefully **

12 years is quite a period.

03-12-2015 11:17PM

greendom wrote: »

Don't buy that - Giroud was in the box for most if not all of Monreal's attempts. Admittedly there were a lot of Norwich defenders too but you would have thought that 1 or 2 of the crosses would have got close to a blue shirt.

Don't get me wrong I think Monreal's great and his attacking play is very inventive at times but he was poor last Sunday.

Giroud was ahead of the play a lot and he was the only one in the box a lot. Wind didn't help either. Overall he's been in a great vein of form though.

gosplan · 04-12-2015 01:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

At what stage will people stop using the invincibles as an excuse for everything I wonder.

Probably around the same time people stop throwing Strawmen up in here all the time.

All I'm saying is we can't do well with all these injuries and when we last did well, we didn't have these injuries.

I'm beginning to think that's too moderate for this thread so people keep rephrasing my words as some of you are just gagging for a row.

Chill out people. We can have a conversation without everything coming down to the same old argument.

jonneymendoza · 04-12-2015 07:49AM

interesting list of injuries per club

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php#c1?utm_source=webgains&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=22278&affid=222

Why aint city and united getting slated for injuries and only us?

symbolic · 04-12-2015 07:53AM

gosplan wrote: »

I'm beginning to think that's too moderate for this thread so people keep rephrasing my words as some of you are just gagging for a row.
.

Not even a row, just to be able to say it's Wengers fault. The "one constant" thing was some great logic.

It might be easier if everyone agreed it is

ronjo · 04-12-2015 07:53AM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

interesting list of injuries per club

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php#c1?utm_source=webgains&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=22278&affid=222

Why aint city and united getting slated for injuries and only us?

They get sympathy and we get grief.

Actually United had a lot of injuries since Van Gaal came in..... Does he have same training methods as Wenger?

L'prof · 04-12-2015 07:55AM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

interesting list of injuries per club

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php#c1?utm_source=webgains&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=22278&affid=222

Why aint city and united getting slated for injuries and only us?

I always keep an eye on physioroom, good source. With City anyway, they're squad is big enough and talented enough to cope with that many injuries. When it comes to Arsenal, no so much.

symbolic · 04-12-2015 07:55AM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

interesting list of injuries per club

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php#c1?utm_source=webgains&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=22278&affid=222

Why aint city and united getting slated for injuries and only us?

In those threads they sometimes do.

"Why us? " - many a football fan. (often if results aren't going their way)

04-12-2015 07:55AM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

interesting list of injuries per club

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php#c1?utm_source=webgains&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=22278&affid=222

Why aint city and united getting slated for injuries and only us?

Most of City's are really short term. We are missing 5 nailed on starters for our first team, often for months at a time.

Arteta needs to be cut loose. His squad place needs to be taken by someone else, whether he's club captain or not.

JustTheOne · 04-12-2015 09:14AM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

interesting list of injuries per club

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php#c1?utm_source=webgains&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=22278&affid=222

Why aint city and united getting slated for injuries and only us?

Season after season.

gosplan · 04-12-2015 10:57AM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Season after season.

Yes. We're always near the top. Other clubs may have slightly worse luck from time to time but I don't think it's luck with us.

greendom · 04-12-2015 11:00AM

Why can't Wenger say anything yet about Sanchez's injury. It's 5 days now, surely there is some indication.

Either the info is not being released just yet as it's more bad news, or Alexis turns up in the first 11 tomorrow afternoon

Soups123 · 04-12-2015 11:16AM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

interesting list of injuries per club

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php#c1?utm_source=webgains&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=22278&affid=222

Why aint city and united getting slated for injuries and only us?

I think as other have mentioned is they have a bigger squad and more talent in depth.

I dont think you need to spend there millions to get close but what you have to do is realise that if you are limiting your numbers then you cant keep Arteta, Rosicky & Wilshire in the same squad, 2 need to be cut loose

farna_boy · 04-12-2015 11:21AM

Was thinking last night, I would like to see us play a 4-4-2 as an alternative sometimes. But then I was wondering could our team handle it (defensively) and even if they could, what would the team look like?

Assuming everyone was fit (big assumption, I know) do you think it could work and who would play where?

My team:

Cech

Bellerin

Kos----Mert/Gabriel

Monreal

Coquelin

Walcott

Cazorla/Ramsey(?)

Ozil

Sanchez

Grioud

Not sure about left midfield or about excluding either Cazorla or Ramsey from central midfield. One potential solution would be move Ozil to left midfield and put Ramsey/Caz behind the front two, but I don't know if that would suit Ozil and it would probably leave us vulnerable at the back.

Any thoughts?

ronjo · 04-12-2015 11:24AM

farna_boy wrote: »

Was thinking last night, I would like to see us play a 4-4-2 as an alternative sometimes. But then I was wondering could our team handle it (defensively) and even if they could, what would the team look like?

Assuming everyone was fit (big assumption, I know) do you think it could work and who would play where?

My team:
Cech
Bellerin
Kos----Mert/Gabriel
Monreal
Coquelin
Walcott
Cazorla/Ramsey(?)
Ozil
Sanchez
Grioud

Not sure about left midfield or about excluding either Cazorla or Ramsey from central midfield. One potential solution would be move Ozil to left midfield and put Ramsey/Caz behind the front two, but I don't know if that would suit Ozil and it would probably leave us vulnerable at the back.

Any thoughts?

Nice idea but the obvious answer is that Coquelin would be totally overrun in midfield.

04-12-2015 11:25AM

gosplan wrote: »

Probably around the same time people stop throwing Strawmen up in here all the time.

All I'm saying is we can't do well with all these injuries and when we last did well, we didn't have these injuries.

I'm beginning to think that's too moderate for this thread so people keep rephrasing my words as some of you are just gagging for a row.

Chill out people. We can have a conversation without everything coming down to the same old argument.

Where's the strawman exactly?

Also from before, the "ethos" to me seems different to the invincibles days, we used to counterattack. Funny enough we were doing that earlier in the season not seem to have lapsed back into possession stuff.

JustTheOne · 04-12-2015 11:25AM

Were top over the last 5 years for injuries.

Bobby Baccala · 04-12-2015 11:28AM

farna_boy wrote: »

Was thinking last night, I would like to see us play a 4-4-2 as an alternative sometimes. But then I was wondering could our team handle it (defensively) and even if they could, what would the team look like?

Assuming everyone was fit (big assumption, I know) do you think it could work and who would play where?

My team:
Cech
Bellerin
Kos----Mert/Gabriel
Monreal
Coquelin
Walcott
Cazorla/Ramsey(?)
Ozil
Sanchez
Grioud

Not sure about left midfield or about excluding either Cazorla or Ramsey from central midfield. One potential solution would be move Ozil to left midfield and put Ramsey/Caz behind the front two, but I don't know if that would suit Ozil and it would probably leave us vulnerable at the back.

Any thoughts?

I assume you mean 4-4-2 diamond? I think our midfield is a bit too lightweight for that but I'd love to see it. Also don't think you'll catch Wenger dead playing 2 strikers atm.

Marty McFly · 04-12-2015 11:46AM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Were top over the last 5 years for injuries.

Yea just seen that on sky not suprising really.

The frustrating thing from the club as always us the lack if transparency or trying to pretend there is no issue in public.

With Cazorla out until March you can count hus season as over and at his age it's not going to get any better.

I'd like to think the club would step up and sign some players in January but who knows.

Soups123 · 04-12-2015 12:13PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

Yea just seen that on sky not suprising really.

The frustrating thing from the club as always us the lack if transparency or trying to pretend there is no issue in public.

With Cazorla out until March you can count hus season as over and at his age it's not going to get any better.

I'd like to think the club would step up and sign some players in January but who knows.

I know we have said it before but we really have to now. Coq and Caz out is our centre piece gone. Ramsey will go in there with Flamini but you can be sure Flamini will pick something up soon too.

We really need something of substance in January otherwise we'll drop off yet again

jonneymendoza · 04-12-2015 01:29PM

Soups123 wrote: »

I think as other have mentioned is they have a bigger squad and more talent in depth.

I dont think you need to spend there millions to get close but what you have to do is realise that if you are limiting your numbers then you cant keep Arteta, Rosicky & Wilshire in the same squad, 2 need to be cut loose

united have a larger squad then us?

gosplan · 04-12-2015 01:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Where's the strawman exactly?

Also from before, the "ethos" to me seems different to the invincibles days, we used to counterattack. Funny enough we were doing that earlier in the season not seem to have lapsed back into possession stuff.

I didn't make any excuses.

DeclanRe · 04-12-2015 01:30PM

farna_boy wrote: »

Was thinking last night, I would like to see us play a 4-4-2 as an alternative sometimes. But then I was wondering could our team handle it (defensively) and even if they could, what would the team look like?

Assuming everyone was fit (big assumption, I know) do you think it could work and who would play where?

My team:
Cech
Bellerin
Kos----Mert/Gabriel
Monreal
Coquelin
Walcott
Cazorla/Ramsey(?)
Ozil
Sanchez
Grioud

Not sure about left midfield or about excluding either Cazorla or Ramsey from central midfield. One potential solution would be move Ozil to left midfield and put Ramsey/Caz behind the front two, but I don't know if that would suit Ozil and it would probably leave us vulnerable at the back.

Any thoughts?

Like the previous comments - i'd love to see it. I think we'd score lots. But it would leave Coq with an awful lot to do. Walcott and Ozil not the best for tracking back either!

Soups123 · 04-12-2015 01:34PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

united have a larger squad then us?

United are not doing much more than we are right now?

We've all the same size squads, thats the rule some have better quality in depth.

jonneymendoza · 04-12-2015 03:14PM

Soups123 wrote: »

United are not doing much more than we are right now?

We've all the same size squads, thats the rule some have better quality in depth.

WHich is my point.

someone said they had a larger squad then us when in reality we have a larger squad then them

Soups123 · 04-12-2015 03:47PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

WHich is my point.

someone said they had a larger squad then us when in reality we have a larger squad then them

Ah right I think the point being made may have been that City have a better squad of players for there 25, better quality in depth.

We have been so unlucky, I think the muscle issues are more a consequence of how we play and how we do things. What happened say Coq and Caz is just unfortunate. For Jack, Rosicky and Arteta its just there make up all are brittle.

It would be good to see both Arteta and Rosicky now move on, which i am sure they will and be replaced with more reliable.

Its a shame about Rosicky he had the ability to be one of our greats but just cant stay fit.

tayto lover · 04-12-2015 04:24PM

We now need major investment in the club.
We need to weed out the fragile and aging players and replace them.

Arteta, Flamini, Rosick and Cazorla are probably nearing their exits anyway.

Jack and Ox are fragile and cannot be relied on to compete in many games in succession. The club needs to look at the feasibility of retaining them too.

Walcott is much the same but a valuable player as he gives us something different in attack.

Campbell, Chambers and Gibbs have question marks about their ability. I don't think Gibbs is good enough.

We could do with at least 5 top-class players in the summer especially if we have a clear-out.

emmetlego · 04-12-2015 04:35PM

tayto lover wrote: »

We now need major investment in the club.
We need to weed out the fragile and aging players and replace them.

Arteta, Flamini, Rosick and Cazorla are probably nearing their exits anyway.

Jack and Ox are fragile and cannot be relied on to compete in many games in succession. The club needs to look at the feasibility of retaining them too.

Walcott is much the same but a valuable player as he gives us something different in attack.

Campbell, Chambers and Gibbs have question marks about their ability. I don't think Gibbs is good enough.

We could do with at least 5 top-class players in the summer especially if we have a clear-out.

RE: the bolded bits!
Don't think Santi is nearing an exit, I think he's generally been one of our best players regularly, and rarely gets injured.

I agree strongly about Gibbs, he never fulfilled his potential and went backwards a good bit, would like to see a replacement for him.

As for 5 top class players? We know Arsene won't do that sort of business, but I would really like to see replcements for Rosicky, Arteta/Flamini and Gibbs, and of course, a top class Centre Forward... Which defo won't happen!!!

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

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