Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

ronjo · 30-11-2015 12:21PM

tayto lover wrote: »

He could have shown his desire by getting into better positions for crosses. He didn't. I had to look for him anytime we threatened. No runs or shows worth a damn and i'm one of the posters who stood up for him before.

As someone pointed out yesterday its been since Theo is out we have been poor.

It was working really well for a few weeks when he was leading the line and Giroud was playing excellently off the bench.

Hopefully we can get Theo back soon as need to return to form pretty quickly.

JustTheOne · 30-11-2015 12:22PM

tayto lover wrote: »

We can blame injuries all we like but there's more to it than that. We still had 11 players who the boss thought good enough to represent this great club. They should have been good enough in my opinion to beat a very poor team like Norwich who are 5th from bottom and struggling. I can't see them finishing any higher.

There is an old saying in football "the team that shows the greatest desire usually wins" and i stress usually. Only two of our players imo showed the degree of desire yesterday to win a league title. That's the nub of our problem right there "desire" and it has been for some time.

I blame a lot of the problem on Wenger. He selects, trains and is supposed to motivate them. Our team have lacked motivation in many games recently and in seasons past. The same players have shown the desire necessary in these games and the same players have not. Our squad is not big enough and players are complacent especially when they know that because of injuries there is nobody else to push them. Another fault of management. Our defence has looked a shambles in a lot of games this season, leaking silly goals and making many simple defensive mistakes. They must be doing nothing on the training ground.
Giroud can get some great goals but on many occasions he has thrown the toys out of the pram when things are not going his way. He prefers to moan at referees and players instead of knuckling down. Standing with your hands on your head looking up at the sky will not get you into positions to score. That will just give the opposition defenders great joy that they are nullifying his effect on the game and make enemies of referees as if we haven't enough problems with them already. Someone needs to have a serious word with him.

Some of our midfield and wingers are only back and were probably rushed to a degree so i'm reluctant to blame them too much. Campbell for all his running and desire is inconsistent, Ox the same. I think we should be buying the finished article in future as we rarely have time to let players develop and very few are breaking into the team or have been disappointing when they have got game-time. We have a lot of problems at Arsenal. Our first choice 11 are ok but we struggle afterwards and with our record of injuries it always comes back to haunt us.
I thought we had a great chance of EPL glory this season but my opinion is changing rapidly. Two points from the last nine is pretty poor when you consider who we played against.

I agree except at the start you say we had 11 players who should have beaten them. But at the end you concede outside of the first 11 we don't have good enough players.

jonneymendoza · 30-11-2015 12:25PM

Soups123 wrote: »

Calling out posters in this thread is becoming pathetic. We all have opinions and some differ greatly but that's life and some need to understand that, this is only football.

I've been called out a few times (once today) and it annoys me because and the end of the day it's just opinion sharing and you need to respect those that differ we are all chasing the same dream

Arsenal are one of the rare teams that really alienate our fans.

very fustrating and close to giving up not caring about this crap club.

ronjo · 30-11-2015 12:26PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

I agree except at the start you say we had 11 players who should have beaten them. But at the end you concede outside of the first 11 we don't have good enough players.

I assume he means that they are good enough to beat Norwich but not good enough to win the league.

ronjo · 30-11-2015 12:28PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Arsenal are one of the rare teams that really alienate our fans.

very fustrating and close to giving up not caring about this crap club.

Ah now Jonney this certainly isnt unique to Arsenal.
A few good results and all will be right in the world again

jonneymendoza · 30-11-2015 12:28PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

I agree except at the start you say we had 11 players who should have beaten them. But at the end you concede outside of the first 11 we don't have good enough players.

20 of our players are all good enough to ****ing beat west brom and norwich!

keano_afc · 30-11-2015 12:28PM

That we're only 2 points off top despite winning 1 game in 5 is testament to how bang average the league is this year.

I'm trying not to imagine what position we'd be in if we'd just shown a bit of ambition in the summer and recruited the players we needed.

jonneymendoza · 30-11-2015 12:30PM

ronjo wrote: »

Ah now Jonney this certainly isnt unique to Arsenal.
A few good results and all will be right in the world again

yes and then we lose again to wheover is bottom of the table..

thats whats fustrating. Either arsenal be a crap team where its expected we play crap, or we play brilliantly.

But nooooo arsenal have to toss and turn between the two!

Its like trying get laid,

u either dont get laid or u do and finish the job, right now arsenal in the process of getting laid but never ever finish the job and left fustrating..

Arne_Saknussem · 30-11-2015 12:34PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Arsenal are one of the rare teams that really alienate our fans.

very fustrating and close to giving up not caring about this crap club.

You should probably give up, you seem to be in it only for the winning. And this club has never won as consistently as it has in the last 20 years.

Bobby Baccala · 30-11-2015 12:42PM

Yesterday was the worst performance by Giroud I think I've seen since this season bar his embarrassing showing at Zagreb. He had no hunger whatsoever by the looks of things.

It's a shame because on his day he can be brilliant and has scored and set up some big big goals for us.

jonneymendoza · 30-11-2015 12:42PM

Arne_Saknussem wrote: »

You should probably give up, you seem to be in it only for the winning. And this club has never won as consistently as it has in the last 20 years.

hell no

ronjo · 30-11-2015 12:53PM

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Yesterday was the worst performance by Giroud I think I've seen since this season bar his embarrassing showing at Zagreb. He had no hunger whatsoever by the looks of things.

It's a shame because on his day he can be brilliant and has scored and set up some big big goals for us.

He looks best it seems when

a) he is under pressure for his place.
b) not playing so regularly so maybe more energetic

a and b do go together and maybe its one or the other but the sooner Theo is back the better

jester77 · 30-11-2015 01:03PM

You also have to look at the positive. We are playing poorly and we are on a bad run with only 1 win in 5..... yet we are only 2 points off the top. We would have given anything over the last few seasons to be in that position.

We have 3 very winnable games coming up before we play City. If we can get it together quick we could be in a good position going into the new year.

Ken Shamrock · 30-11-2015 01:04PM

jester77 wrote: »

You also have to look at the positive. We are playing poorly and we are on a bad run with only 1 win in 5..... yet we are only 2 points off the top. We would have given anything over the last few seasons to be in that position.

We have 3 very winnable games coming up before we play City. If we can get it together quick we could be in a good position going into the new year.

...What would give you that impression?

keano_afc · 30-11-2015 01:04PM

jester77 wrote: »

You also have to look at the positive. We are playing poorly and we are on a bad run with only 1 win in 5..... yet we are only 2 points off the top. We would have given anything over the last few seasons to be in that position.

We have 3 very winnable games coming up before we play City. If we can get it together quick we could be in a good position going into the new year.

One could argue that the last 2 games were very winnable too. Doesnt seem to count for a lot with this side if their head isnt in the game.

farna_boy · 30-11-2015 01:38PM

tayto lover wrote: »

He could have shown his desire by getting into better positions for crosses. He didn't. I had to look for him anytime we threatened. No runs or shows worth a damn and i'm one of the posters who stood up for him before.

Just re-watched the extended highlights (can be found here) there and focused on Giroud.

First attack, Sanchez shot. Giroud ahead of him.

Second attack (starts at 1.50), Ozil receives ball. Giroud free through the centre, Ozil goes wide to Sanchez, to Monreal crosses to Ozil shot, Giroud on back post.

Third attack, corner goes over everybody's head to backpost.

Fourth attack, cross from Monreal, Giroud can't convert. Good chance missed.

Fifth attack (3.12). Giroud goes through centre, defenders come with him. Ball passed to Sanchez who now has a small bit of time, shoots but saved.

Sixth attack. Ball comes to Ramsey in box. Giroud near him and marked so passed back to Cazorla. Shoots, wide

Seventh attack. Ball comes back to keeper, Giroud closes down. Keeper mis kicks, picked up By Sanchez, puts Ozil through for goal, Giroud on back post.

Eighth attack. Ball comes to Ramsey on edge of box. Giroud runs through, Ramsey shoots, deflected wide.

Ninth attack (second half, starts at 8.10): Ball comes to Sanchez in box. Tries to lob it towards Giroud but takes deflection, Giroud misses, Ozil can't get on the end of it either.

Tenth attack: Ball crossed to Bellerin, plays back to Ozil, who plays back to Bellerin. Shoots, wide. Ramsey (near post), Campbell (centre) and Grioud (backpost) in box.

Eleventh attack. Ox cross to Giroud slightly behind him, can't covert. Possibly could have done better.

Twelefth attack. Bellerin cross. Giroud marked by two, can't get to it, end of match.

Only other opportunity I saw is also on Arsenalist and can be seen here. Now maybe Giroud could have come near post, but Ox only had him to aim for in the box and if he looked up he would have seen that. Even if he had been near post though, that is a fairly **** pass and I'm not sure he could have done a whole lot with it, even if he had beaten the other three players there.

I know they are only selected highlights, but Giroud was either in the box or made a run for each of those but the ball only got to him twice, one he probably should have converted, the other is debatable.

Regardless of Giroud's individual performance, looking at Statzone it appears we only had 13 chances created for the whole match yesterday. Between that and the fact that there were only 13/14 highlights from Arsenal for the match yesterday shows how poor we were.

greendom · 30-11-2015 02:35PM

farna_boy wrote: »

Just re-watched the extended highlights (can be found here) there and focused on Giroud.

First attack, Sanchez shot. Giroud ahead of him.

Second attack (starts at 1.50), Ozil receives ball. Giroud free through the centre, Ozil goes wide to Sanchez, to Monreal crosses to Ozil shot, Giroud on back post.

Third attack, corner goes over everybody's head to backpost.

Fourth attack, cross from Monreal, Giroud can't convert. Good chance missed.

Fifth attack (3.12). Giroud goes through centre, defenders come with him. Ball passed to Sanchez who now has a small bit of time, shoots but saved.

Sixth attack. Ball comes to Ramsey in box. Giroud near him and marked so passed back to Cazorla. Shoots, wide

Seventh attack. Ball comes back to keeper, Giroud closes down. Keeper mis kicks, picked up By Sanchez, puts Ozil through for goal, Giroud on back post.

Eighth attack. Ball comes to Ramsey on edge of box. Giroud runs through, Ramsey shoots, deflected wide.

Ninth attack (second half, starts at 8.10): Ball comes to Sanchez in box. Tries to lob it towards Giroud but takes deflection, Giroud misses, Ozil can't get on the end of it either.

Tenth attack: Ball crossed to Bellerin, plays back to Ozil, who plays back to Bellerin. Shoots, wide. Ramsey (near post), Campbell (centre) and Grioud (backpost) in box.

Eleventh attack. Ox cross to Giroud slightly behind him, can't covert. Possibly could have done better.

Twelefth attack. Bellerin cross. Giroud marked by two, can't get to it, end of match.

Only other opportunity I saw is also on Arsenalist and can be seen here. Now maybe Giroud could have come near post, but Ox only had him to aim for in the box and if he looked up he would have seen that. Even if he had been near post though, that is a fairly **** pass and I'm not sure he could have done a whole lot with it, even if he had beaten the other three players there.

I know they are only selected highlights, but Giroud was either in the box or made a run for each of those but the ball only got to him twice, one he probably should have converted, the other is debatable.

Regardless of Giroud's individual performance, looking at Statzone it appears we only had 13 chances created for the whole match yesterday. Between that and the fact that there were only 13/14 highlights from Arsenal for the match yesterday shows how poor we were.

Well put together but I think Monreal must have delivered at least half a dozen dreadful crosses into the box yesterday, with Giroud waiting for a decent one that he could get onto. Didn't happen once. I really don't think Giroud was to blame for the dreadful showing yesterday.

extra gravy · 30-11-2015 02:50PM

Interesting article about Jimmy Dunne whose record Vardy is now chasing. He played for us for 3 seasons in the 1930s after being bought by Herbert Chapman.

http://www.balls.ie/football/the-ira-background-of-the-man-whose-record-jamie-vardy-is-chasing/317765

MaxPower89 · 30-11-2015 02:52PM

We could be well stuck for next weekend. Expect Sunderland to be well up for it after getting a win and Allerdici will have them set up to frustrate. On paper we are still way better than them but we are off the pace at the moment. What looked like a nice run of fixtures is turning into a mini crisis.

We will probably have to beat City to have a chance at the league, lose to them and our chances will be slim.

Cech
Bellerin Gabriel Mert Monreal
Flamini
Campbell Ramsey Ozil Ox
Giroud

Would be good if Wally could get 15 mins, rather than throwing him on against City with no gametime.

Pierce_1991 · 30-11-2015 02:52PM

greendom wrote: »

Well put together but I think Monreal must have delivered at least half a dozen dreadful crosses into the box yesterday, with Giroud waiting for a decent one that he could get onto. Didn't happen once. I really don't think Giroud was to blame for the dreadful showing yesterday.

I'm a big fan of Giroud but I thought he was really poor yesterday. Just had one of those days where he seemed to spend more time complaining to the ref than actually playing football. Yes, the service wasn't great but he didn't do any of his team mates any favours either. Just wasn't getting involved in the play at all. He's more than just a big centre forward who can get his head to the ball, he's also well capable of linking up the play. Didn't do enough for me yesterday.

jester77 · 30-11-2015 03:19PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

...What would give you that impression?

We are playing against 2 teams that are seriously struggling and the prospect of playing cold Thursday evenings in eastern Europe should be enough motivation for the other game. All 3 are winnable, never said we would win them.

Ken Shamrock · 30-11-2015 03:23PM

jester77 wrote: »

We are playing against 2 teams that are seriously struggling and the prospect of playing cold Thursday evenings in eastern Europe should be enough motivation for the other game. All 3 are winnable, never said we would win them.

Every match Is winnable. Keano said what I said In a much more straight forward way

keano_afc wrote: »

One could argue that the last 2 games were very winnable too. Doesnt seem to count for a lot with this side if their head isnt in the game.

ronjo · 30-11-2015 03:24PM

So Cazorla and Sanchez out for 3 weeks and Walcott struggling to be back for Christmas.

Truly wonderful.

Marty McFly · 30-11-2015 03:28PM

ronjo wrote: »

So Cazorla and Sanchez out for 3 weeks and Walcott struggling to be back for Christmas.

Truly wonderful.

Our new fitness guru is truly working wonders.

Fcuking shambles.

tayto lover · 30-11-2015 03:37PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

I agree except at the start you say we had 11 players who should have beaten them. But at the end you concede outside of the first 11 we don't have good enough players.

The 11 we had on the field should have been good enough to beat Norwich though. They are poor.

30-11-2015 03:40PM

ronjo wrote: »

So Cazorla and Sanchez out for 3 weeks and Walcott struggling to be back for Christmas.

Truly wonderful.

Anything about Koscielny?

30-11-2015 03:42PM

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php#c1 The notes for Welbeck and Rosicky are hilarious.

greendom · 30-11-2015 03:56PM

ronjo wrote: »

So Cazorla and Sanchez out for 3 weeks and Walcott struggling to be back for Christmas.

Truly wonderful.

where's this coming from ?

emergingstar · 30-11-2015 04:22PM

Just need to hang in there and stay close to the top while we're in this crisis

Hard too see it happening though

A team with real title winning ambitions would have won both them games 1-0 once we went ahead, regardless of injuries

emmetlego · 30-11-2015 04:23PM

greendom wrote: »

where's this coming from ?

Dunno, physio room says Kos is back next week along with Theo!

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

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