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The "Crossover" support vessel

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  • #32
    BoJack Horseman
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    daithicarr wrote: »
    But ours is still over inflated by 20% so still around 148 billion EUR.
    .

    What proof have you that Ireland's GDP data is tabulated wrong compared to any other nation?

    Surely misreporting such basic economic data wouldn't go unnoticed?


  • #33
    daithicarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭daithicarr


    without going into it too deeply as its a discussion more suited to the economics section, it doesnt go unnoticed.

    I dont think there is any economist who takes our GDP at face value, its inaccuracy in our case is as widely known as the fact that most the big name multinationals here are mostly here to dodge tax. A lot of people take these things at face value, but anyone with even a passing interest in the economy will quickly notice its not as its presented.

    Here are some examples
    http://www.finfacts.ie/Irish_finance_news/articleDetail.php?Pfizer-as-Irish-firm-would-swamp-Ireland-s-national-accounts-318

    http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1028148.shtml

    http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1028865.shtml

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/brendan-keenan/gdp-or-gnp-its-an-ecumenical-matter-29297060.html


  • #34
    Ren2k7
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    daithicarr wrote: »
    Our economy really isint the same size. according to 2014 figures
    In USD terms Denmark has a GDP of 330 Billion USD.
    In USD terms Finland has a GDP of 276 Billion USD.
    In USD terms Ireland has a GDP of 183 Billion USD.

    However most economists agree that out GDP as a reflection of the real economy is overstated by at least 20% due to multinationals moving money through Ireland. So our Real GDP would be somewhat closer to 146 Billion USD.

    Now the figures change depending on the measurements used, but in a nutshell the economy's of those country's are about twice the size of ours.

    Plus they have a much larger tax base to fund things like public services and the military.

    Ireland collects about 34.7% of its supposed GDP in Taxes. Or more like 43% of its real GDP.

    Denmark collects over 50% in Taxes.
    Finland is more similar to Ireland at 44% of GDP collected in taxes.

    Not sure where we would get the money to fund a larger military or new equipment. Especially with such a large portion of our budget going to serving our debpt

    And I'm not sure you are getting your figures from:

    Data from the International Monetary Fund (2014)
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    Data from the World Bank (2005–2014)
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    Data from the CIA World Factbook (1993–2014)
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)


  • #35
    daithicarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭daithicarr


    I am getting them from Euro stat http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat

    They are in Euro, the figures you are using are in USD and are the GDP PPP which is a different calculation.

    Euro stat are the official statistic body for the EU.


  • #36
    Tabnabs
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,903 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    So, does anyone else remember when this thread was about boats?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_tTtlJKZYU


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  • #37
    daithicarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭daithicarr


    Boats we could never afford :)


  • #38
    sparky42
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    daithicarr wrote: »
    Boats we could never afford :)

    The Absalon's (particularly in the bare bones config) are easily affordable for Ireland under current budgets if Defence got even 1% of the budget.


  • #39
    BoJack Horseman
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    A pretty slick Gif of the Absalon..... quite large so didn't embed

    http://i.imgur.com/y8dO19I.gif


  • #40
    Tabnabs
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,903 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Here's an innovative idea from the Canadians. Take an existing ship and convert it into your newest support vessel, using Canadian shipyards, contractors and suppliers.

    CUF-gVEWoAI-4vW.jpg:large

    http://projectresolve.ca/website/#av_section_1


  • #41
    sparky42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Tabnabs wrote: »
    Here's an innovative idea from the Canadians. Take an existing ship and convert it into your newest support vessel, using Canadian shipyards, contractors and suppliers.

    First thought is that it will take a large amount of ducting work for the exhausts, but yeah for the demands Canada has it makes sense.


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  • #42
    BoJack Horseman
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    Isn't Canada opting for 2 x Berlin class oilers instead?

    But yeah, some small freighter may be useful.

    Like the US using a freighter hull as the basis for their new landing platform ships

    640px-USNS_Lewis_B._Puller_%28MLP-3%29_artist_impression.jpg


  • #43
    sparky42
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    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Isn't Canada opting for 2 x Berlin class oilers instead?

    But yeah, some small freighter may be useful.

    Like the US using a freighter hull as the basis for their new landing platform ships

    Maybe they were suggesting it as a stop gap? When are the Berlin's going to be in service? Don't think they are even started building yet. For Canada I wonde rwould something like the Dutch JSS have been a better choice giving them some more amphib as well as refueling.


  • #44
    Tabnabs
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    What about a fleet of inshore aircraft carriers?

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  • #45
    BoJack Horseman
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    sparky42 wrote: »
    Maybe they were suggesting it as a stop gap? When are the Berlin's going to be in service? Don't think they are even started building yet.

    Looks like the contracts are signed to build 2 of them
    designated the "Queenston Class"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queenston-class_auxiliary_vessel
    But a containership is being converted for more immediate use while these are being built
    For Canada I wonde rwould something like the Dutch JSS have been a better choice giving them some more amphib as well as refueling.

    Yeah I quite like the Karel Doorman .. The Dutch seem mad for these crossover concepts.


  • #46
    sparky42
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    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Looks like the contracts are signed to build 2 of them
    designated the "Queenston Class"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queenston-class_auxiliary_vessel
    But a containership is being converted for more immediate use while these are being built

    Yeah I quite like the Karel Doorman .. The Dutch seem mad for these crossover concepts.

    Not sure how the Berlin class provides "Basic Sealift", I mena to me that's a bit of a stretch, but given the state of the RCN they should be happy with them once they are in service.

    Fro the Dutch, like the Danes they do seem to be looking at what demands there are and how to meet them. Wonder if some of the other EU navies might look at something liek this for when they need to replace some of their supply ships, it would give them some Amphib as well. I wonder if they can use the cargo bay as extra stores/fuel storage when not in use as a Amphib?


  • #47
    sparky42
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    Tabnabs wrote: »
    Here's an innovative idea from the Canadians. Take an existing ship and convert it into your newest support vessel, using Canadian shipyards, contractors and suppliers.

    Going back to this, seems that in following on from the Canadian elections, the shipyards are lobbying against each other to prevent this contract going ahead... Seems the two yards that have upgraded for future ship orders are trying to stop another yard from doing this work.


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