Is pinching someone's butt sexual assault?

Samaris · 29-11-2015 10:41PM

Azrel wrote: »

Maybe he was just reminding you that you should be at home washing the dishes, and not out and about on public transport?

Jays, didn't that joke get old in 1962?

Capt'n Midnight · 29-11-2015 10:42PM

blackcard wrote: »

So, the answer is yes

Technically the answer is that you are guilty of something .

Such a person is probably a pariah of society. Who knows if they have a TV licence or have paid their water bill ? Perhaps they have downloaded films or songs ! They could even be a litterbug :eek:

Seriously such a sense of entitlement deserves further scrutiny.

GarIT · 29-11-2015 10:43PM

MadsL wrote: »

Consent is sexy.

I've seen this a lot lately, especially around college campuses. Sexy is subjective, nobody can make an outright claim about what is sexy. To me personally consent is not sexy.

As far as the OP is concerned I would consider it assault. But I also haven't read the related laws.

Sam Kade · 29-11-2015 10:45PM

blackcard wrote: »

First I am a bloke. I have never pinched anyone's butt nor do I condone it. I have had my butt pinched twice by women on a hen's night out. No big deal. I appreciate it is different for a female and it happens more frequently . I would say that it is down the scale from groping someone or feeling their breast. So is it sexual assault?

It's your arse ffs.

Sam Kade · 29-11-2015 10:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I personally hate it. I've had it done it me a few times and worse. It's really annoying.

Now with the topic at hand.. I think it largely depends on the circumstance. If you don't know the person, then it certainly disrespectful.

How did they manage to pinch your bony arse?

DivingDuck · 29-11-2015 10:48PM

GarIT wrote: »

To me personally consent is not sexy.

Sorry, what?

I think you might want to rephrase that...?

Sam Kade · 29-11-2015 10:50PM

Lux23 wrote: »

Yes, it's sexual assault regardless of what sex the victim is.

:rolleyes:

GarIT · 29-11-2015 10:59PM

DivingDuck wrote: »

Sorry, what?

I think you might want to rephrase that...?

I don't think there's any need to if we can assume the reader understands the meaning of sexy. I completely agree that consent is needed at all times that's fairly obvious but I don't get aroused by consent, therefore I don't find it sexy.

The reason I posed was that it was a stupid campaign that has been going around my uni for too long. The idea behind it is good but the campaign slogan is stupid.

MadsL · 29-11-2015 11:02PM

GarIT wrote: »

I've seen this a lot lately, especially around college campuses. Sexy is subjective, nobody can make an outright claim about what is sexy. To me personally consent is not sexy.

The point is it is sexier to ask, than assume.

29-11-2015 11:05PM

I had my butt pinched in that 'pinch and twist' way, designed not just to annoy me, but to physically hurt me. Had a black bruise afterwards, quite a large one. It was pretty vicious, tbh.

I'd really wonder about someone's motivations to do something like that to a random stranger.

GarIT · 29-11-2015 11:12PM

MadsL wrote: »

The point is it is sexier to ask, than assume.

I completely disagree. Better: yes, sexier: no. I won't post anymore as I am just derailing the thread.

DivingDuck · 29-11-2015 11:14PM

GarIT wrote: »

I don't think there's any need to if we can assume the reader understands the meaning of sexy. I completely agree that consent is needed at all times that's fairly obvious but I don't get aroused by consent, therefore I don't find it sexy.

The reason I posed was that it was a stupid campaign that has been going around my uni for too long. The idea behind it is good but the campaign slogan is stupid.

I would have thought that most people find consent arousing, especially when expressed in an enthusiastic manner, but I can concede that possibly it differs.

Also, while I completely understand your meaning now, it would be fairly simple to infer that not finding consent sexy means finding a lack of consent attractive. Obviously not what you meant, but saying "I don't find consent sexy" has the potential to really send the wrong message too easily, in my view.

The Sidewards Man · 29-11-2015 11:38PM

Its when you rub off them with a hard on that is an issue.

Samaris · 30-11-2015 12:09AM

I don't disagree with GarIT there. I think it's a dumb and condescending slogan as well.

"Remember, kids, it's cool to look both ways before crossing the road!"

No ****. But srsly, ease up on the trying to be hip.

Meangadh · 30-11-2015 12:45AM

I'd certainly class it as sexual assault. Regardless of gender.

The thing is though- what does someone hope to achieve by doing it? Do they think the person will turn around & think "ooh, yes please, more of that!"- or is it simply cos they think it's "gas banter"? I just don't understand the mentality of it.

Either way, no thanks. Anyone who goes around pinching arses either as a pathetic mating ritual or for "the craic" can eff right off.

Brendan Bendar · 30-11-2015 05:47AM

Candie wrote: »

I had my butt pinched in that 'pinch and twist' way, designed not just to annoy me, but to physically hurt me. Had a black bruise afterwards, quite a large one. It was pretty vicious, tbh.

I'd really wonder about someone's motivations to do something like that to a random stranger.

'Pinch and twist' :eek:

Must have been a bit of 'give' so?

Hope you weren't badly hurt Candie.

Cupcake_Crisis · 30-11-2015 05:58AM

If you weren't invited to do it it's probably assault.

Capt'n Midnight · 30-11-2015 08:18AM

Personally speaking I wouldn't want my bottom pinched as I'm rather attached to it.

Mrs doyle: we should all be very careful on the mainland, there's so much crime around, arsonists and muggers everywhere, my friend Mrs O'Dwyer was robbed last week.

Ted: oh no, how much did they get?

Mrs doyle: no i don't think you understand father, she was robbed, they stole her!

R.D. aka MR.D · 30-11-2015 08:50AM

It is a really disgusting thing to do whether you are male or female.

I think it's even worse for men because some women don't show men the same respect that they would want for themselves. There is an idea that this kind of thing doesn't upset men in the same way. It's a very damaging attitude and it needs to change.

Women are not objects and neither are men.

Cienciano · 30-11-2015 08:56AM

To the people who say yes, what should be the punishment?

R.D. aka MR.D · 30-11-2015 09:06AM

Cienciano wrote: »

To the people who say yes, what should be the punishment?

Well, personally, even though I know that it isn't very realistic, in an ideal world, I would like to see education as the answer to these kinds of things.

So if a complaint is made and the person is found guilty of it then they should be sent to an education program or something where they learn about consent and how to respect other peoples bodies.

I genuinely believe people who grope, or pinch or whatever, 9 times out of ten they are doing it because they don't 'see any harm in it.' They're probably not rapists or something because they know how wrong that is.

However, it's completely unrealistic as it would cost so much and be really hard to enforce. It would be great if parents just taught their kids these things as part of their 'don't be a asshole' training.

CruelCoin · 30-11-2015 09:11AM

blackcard wrote: »

So is it sexual assault?

Unwanted sexual contact? Yes.
Sexual assault? **** no.

Bit extreme terminology for a relatively minor thing.

30-11-2015 09:13AM

Agree with that

Trivialising sexual assault probably not the best way to deal with this level of nuisance

P. Breathnach · 30-11-2015 09:43AM

CruelCoin wrote: »

Unwanted sexual contact? Yes.
Sexual assault? **** no.

Abstracted from the useful link in post #28 above:

A person shall be guilty of the offence of assault who, without lawful excuse, intentionally or recklessly directly or indirectly applies force to or causes an impact on the body of another

A pinch cannot be "sexual contact" and not be sexual assault.

Bit extreme terminology for a relatively minor thing.

While it is less extreme than, say, attempted rape, it is a mistake to trivialise it to the point where it is not considered an offence.

Medusa22 · 30-11-2015 10:11AM

I suppose, technically speaking it is assault, but very low end scale, and personally I just find it mildly irritating when someone does it to me.

BBDBB · 30-11-2015 10:19AM

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

If you weren't invited to do it it's probably assault.

True, although you could try to RSVP anyway (Really Sorry Very Pinchable)

CruelCoin · 30-11-2015 10:21AM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

While it is less extreme than, say, attempted rape, it is a mistake to trivialise it to the point where it is not considered an offence.

I never said that though did i?

I said i consider it to be unwanted sexual contact and should be dealt with as such.

Also i think its a bit extreme to call a pinch a "force or impact". Its a bit like calling a fender-bender a "complete and horrific car mangling SMASH!"

Sam Kade · 30-11-2015 10:21AM

People are so fcuking sensitive nowadays.

o1s1n · 30-11-2015 10:29AM

Sam Kade wrote: »

People are so fcuking sensitive nowadays.

Did your last arse pinching rampage not go as you expected?

Lollipops23 · 30-11-2015 10:49AM

I'd love for the lads laughing about this to spend just one night as a woman socializing in a city on a Friday night.

Arse pinching is the least of our worries.

And no- I don't think women should be allowed do it to men either.

Is pinching someone's butt sexual assault?

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