Is there life after death?

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Then I can do little but assume you understand nothing about what CERN is and does and what it is for. That and simply remain thankful that your relevance to the purse strings is precisely zero.
Somebody laments the fact there is nothing but baseless opinion.... and you respond with a video of someone offering baseless opinion???
I am all for hope too. I however do not need to subscribe to ideas without evidence in order to obtain any.

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

A mere verification of my suspicion that you neither know what CERN is for, nor what they do. And no I will not be taking the bait on your little attempt to derail the thread into a conversation about moon landings

I was discussing what the person said, not who they or their credentials were. I do not put much faith in credentials. I put faith in what people say, and how they substantiate what they say.

But this one I am happy to take the bait on. The video is 10 minutes long. Let us see what is actually IN the video shall we? After all the video has the lofty title of "Proof of life after death". In all CAPS no less. So let us by all means evaluate this proof!!!!

I will do a minute by minute break down:

Minute 1: No proof here. Just a summary of the fact this doctor has experience in the operating theater.

Between minute 1 and 2: Something off here. Some of what the Dr. said is actually cut out here. I can only guess what that might have been. Possibly something that did not suit the agenda of the video poster.

Minute 2: Starts with us being told "So that is what happened to this man" but we do not actually know what "that" is of course..... it was cut out. Something around 1:25 also looks to have been cut out!!! But mostly minute 2 is just a summary of the operation and the complications of it. No proof here. Further something is off here in that as soon as they "turned the machines off" some of them "went to have a sandwich". That is not proper procedure AT ALL so I am doubting the veracity of this story already. They would have had a lot of procedures and paper work and more to engage in before ducking out to the local lunch box.

Minute 3: Something is even weirder here. After "calling death" on the patient they claim to have left ALL the machines and monitors running? With paper print outs piling out onto the floor. Even through the time that a post-mortem closure was being performed on the patient? I hope we have a surgeon reading this thread who will come in and comment on THAT for a start. That said: No Proof here yet. But I can see where this is going already.

Minute 4: More material cut out badly at 3:13 area here. I would love to see the full interview to know what this dr. was actually saying rather than this cherry picked cut-edit version. More strange procedures here on machines left running out of protocol. I would LOVE to read the investigation papers on this operation some day, if an investigation were ever called for. But still No Proof Here.

Minute 5: Dr. Admits he has no records or accurate memory of this event. He pulls "20 minutes" out of his head. He can show no paper work or anything to show this. And at this point they noticed the monitors registering activity which got stronger. But still No Proof Here.

Minute 6: See minute 5, same thing. But still No Proof Here.

Minute 7: More information on the patient continuing to recover. So much like minute 5 and 6. At the end of this minute they start talking about things like "White Lights" and "Out of Body Experience". But only starting. But still No Proof Here.

Minute 8: At this point it is just more about the room. The patient describing the room. Replete with the usual claim we get with NDE of "He was describing things he could not have known". In this case post-it notes. But still No Proof Here. Also how was he questioned about these things? Can we hear the interview? Have you ever heard of "interviewer led answers" Which are a HUGE issue in things like NDE and even things like.... for example.... accusations of child sex abuse?

Minute 9: "He did not wake up and see this stuff". Ok how do we know this? The Dr. just declares it. But how do we KNOW this. We do not. At all. We have nothing but this one persons word for it. A person who has already indicated not having that great a memory of the event. But still No Proof Here.

Minute 10: Now he is just going off on a complete weird nonsense. "We all felt a presence". Come on, what can we do with that? DEFINITELY No Proof Here.

Minute 11: Doctor just talking about having faith in gods. No Proof Here.

Summary: So despite the all CAPS title of the video, there is no proof of any sort here of a life after death. Rather we have an anecdotal but undocumented experience of a patient who nearly died, but did not die, and reports having had experiences during the period of "clinical" death.

So yes Hagar, regale me, regale me at length, with what you feel I am "Dismissing" here. I have engaged with the content, considered it closely, listened to it word for word SO closely in fact I can pick out the parts where stuff has literally been cut out of the video. And I have replied to it in detail minute by minute. So please..... substantiate your accusations of "dismissal" here. I am agog. Truly agog.

wakka12 wrote: »

How is that proof? I think if there was ever proof of an afterlife it would be quite widely publicised news.