Forced Prayer in Cinema?

Jayop · 23-11-2015 04:27PM

jimgoose wrote: »

The whole "Jedi" thing was/is inspired by, among other things, Hinduism, Taoism and Shintō, all of which are religions.

And I am sure that the many dozens of films about Jesus have been shown there. Again, an advert isn't the same as a film.

jimgoose · 23-11-2015 04:27PM

Shenshen wrote: »

Well, yes. "Jedi" is a recognised religion in its own rights in some parts, I understand.
And like all religions, it's cobbled together of whatever came before it

Indeed it is, and 'twas ever thus. You see, by any practical measurement of it religion works. In terms of market share over time, it knocks Coca-Cola, Wal-Mart and the Ford Motor Company right out of the park. :pac:

Orangebrigade · 23-11-2015 04:28PM

Shenshen wrote: »

You seem to care enough to post about it.

Lame and old.

asherbassad · 23-11-2015 04:30PM

BizzyC wrote: »

So it seems that the church of England think they're entitled to have people in a cinema sit through prayer because it's "advertisement".

The cinema chains have rejected the ad, rightly so in my opinion.
I'd imagine if a muslim group tried the same they'd be up in arms against it.

If I buy tickets to see a movie, I don't want to have to sit through something that goes against my own beliefs.

What's the AH take on this, correct censorship or PC-brigade?

But you'll happily sit through a few hours of Light Sabres and light speed travel.

:pac:

Penn · 23-11-2015 04:31PM

Tabnabs wrote: »

And yet how different the argument was when LGBT rights (a political campaign) wasn't accepted by a bakery. Very few were saying "their shop, their call"...

Either you accept free speech or allow freedom of concious.

Not particularly. I would fully agree that a bakery being asked to make a pro-LGBT rights cake should be allowed to refuse for political/religious reasons. However, a bakery being asked to make a cake for a same-sex wedding shouldn't, because that's discriminating against a customer based solely on the sexuality of the customer, when they offer that same service to opposite-sex weddings.

Likewise, if the cinema refuses to show an ad of a Christian prayer, they should be allowed to do so. But if they refused to let customers in because they were Christians, that's discrimination.

Tabnabs · 23-11-2015 04:31PM

Jayop wrote: »

Not, if they refused entry to religious people based on their faith it would be comparable. This is not.

No, the bakery wasn't refusing to serve LGBT people in their shop, they were refusing to 'advertise' their campaign.

I see no difference with the cinema chain refusing to 'advertise' the church.

Both businesses will take your money as a customer, but won't allow their premises used as a platform for promoting religious/political issues by an organisation.

LordSutch · 23-11-2015 04:32PM

I just think that it's ironic that in the week before Christmas a prayer to Christ is not allowed.

Shenshen · 23-11-2015 04:33PM

LordSutch wrote: »

I just think that it's ironic that in the week before Christmas a prayer to Christ is not allowed.

Why? Who's stopping anyone from praying?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-11-2015 04:35PM

It's am advertisment like any other advertisement. And the privaetly-owned medium in question can choose whther or not to broadcast it as they see fit.

Jayop · 23-11-2015 04:37PM

Tabnabs wrote: »

No, the bakery wasn't refusing to serve LGBT people in their shop, they were refusing to 'advertise' their campaign.

I see no difference with the cinema chain refusing to 'advertise' the church.

Both businesses will take your money as a customer, but won't allow their premises used as a platform for promoting religious/political issues by an organisation.

They were refusing to allow access to their core business, i.e. making cakes on the grounds that these cakes were against their own personal religious beliefs.

The cinema will allow anyone in, they will allow any film to be displayed, but they have the right to choose who they are partnered with in the same way that a sports team could choose not to be associated with a weapons manufacturer if they wanted to be become their sponsors.

I'm sure this chain of cinemas showed the passion of Christ.

Jayop · 23-11-2015 04:37PM

LordSutch wrote: »

I just think that it's ironic that in the week before Christmas a prayer to Christ is not allowed.

Allanis?

Daith · 23-11-2015 04:38PM

Tabnabs wrote: »

I see no difference with the cinema chain refusing to 'advertise' the church.

Well no. The cinema chain refuses to advertise any religious or political message.

The Ashers bakery is different. They refused to bake the cake because they don't personally support same sex marriage not that they have a blanket ban on political/religious messages.

Nodin · 23-11-2015 04:38PM

jimgoose wrote: »

Cake or Death!!

There Is No Cake.

Jayop · 23-11-2015 04:41PM

Daith wrote: »

Well no. The cinema chain refuses to advertise any religious or political message.

The Ashers bakery is different. They refused to bake the cake because they don't personally support same sex marriage not that they have a blanket ban on political/religious messages.

Exactly, I'm sure they will do Communion cakes, Wedding cakes, Confirmation cakes, probably even things like Bar Mitzvah cakes. They picked one issue to discriminate against and that is illegal.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-11-2015 04:41PM

Nodin wrote: »

There Is No Cake.

There is - we jst can't see it. But it is there.

The Backwards Man · 23-11-2015 04:43PM

Last time I was in a cinema the Pathé News was played before the film.

ScumLord · 23-11-2015 04:44PM

Tabnabs wrote: »

No, the bakery wasn't refusing to serve LGBT people in their shop, they were refusing to 'advertise' their campaign.

Campaign is a funny name for a wedding afters. I also didn't realise wedding cakes were classed as advertising space either.

hatrickpatrick · 23-11-2015 04:46PM

Shenshen wrote: »

But the cinema is not obliged to give him a platform.

There are those who believe that platform discrimination shouldn't be allowed. I'd be one of those, myself. And if you think about it, it's not an entirely outlandish view - most of the media and the message are now controlled by private, not public, gatekeepers. A law which obliges them not to ideologically discriminate would be a very good thing indeed.

Daith · 23-11-2015 04:46PM

Big Ian wrote: »

The cake controversy was a farce. If you don't support the gay rights movement you get hauled in front of a judge. What is this, a fuking communist country?

Well that happened in Northern Ireland.

Actually in Ireland a wedding card printer refused to print "Civil Partnership" cards. They have not in fact being hauled in front of Judge.

Nodin · 23-11-2015 04:47PM

Big Ian wrote: »

The cake controversy was a farce. If you don't support the gay rights movement you get hauled in front of a judge. What is this, a fuking communist country?

Jaysus, you're in rare form for a dead fellah.

Cabaal · 23-11-2015 04:47PM

Penn wrote: »

Can't argue with that, yet completely unsurprising that the church is arguing with that.

Religious organizations are generally used to getting there way, its upsetting to them when somebody tells them to get stuffed.

Daith · 23-11-2015 04:48PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Religious organizations are generally used to getting there way, its upsetting to them when somebody tells them to get stuffed.

and if you tell them to get stuffed it's an "attack on the Church" despite the fact you're treating them the same as anyone else.

Cabaal · 23-11-2015 04:53PM

Tabnabs wrote: »

No, the bakery wasn't refusing to serve LGBT people in their shop, they were refusing to 'advertise' their campaign.

.

The cake wasn't an advert, it was a cake. The bakery illegally refused service after ACCEPTING the order. If they didn't want to make the cake they never should have accepted the order to make it.

Doesn't matter what you think it was the courts have ruled the bakery were wrong to do what they did.

In this case a cinema is refusing to accept the adverts and to air on them on their property, its their property they have this right.

If the church wants to buy TV advert space on ITV etc to air the adverts and if ITV will accept the adverts then they can do this instead.

They can look to air them at the most ideal spot too...during the x-fractor, what better time to air such adverts then during a soul destroying, soul crushing nonsense TV show

Tabnabs · 23-11-2015 04:55PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Campaign is a funny name for a wedding afters. I also didn't realise wedding cakes were classed as advertising space either.

Mr Lee, a member of the LGBT advocacy group Queer Space, had wanted a cake featuring Sesame Street puppets Bert and Ernie with the slogan Support Gay Marriage for a private function marking International Anti Homophobia Day.

Hard to have a 'wedding afters' when the state says you're not of the right persuasion to get the requisite piece of paper...

jester77 · 23-11-2015 04:55PM

Fair play to the cinema, no one wants religious or political propaganda shoved down their throat when they go out for an enjoyable evening. A cinema is a place of entertainment, people are there to be entertained and this is not place for such.

Tabnabs · 23-11-2015 04:57PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Doesn't matter what you think it was the courts have ruled the bakery were wrong to do what they did.

Authoritarian philosophy at its finest, many thanks comrade

VinLieger · 23-11-2015 04:57PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Religious organizations are generally used to getting there way, its upsetting to them when somebody tells them to get stuffed.

They are so used to it in fact when they are treated like everyone else their unbalanced view of the world means they see it as discrimination

cruizer101 · 23-11-2015 04:58PM

It boils down to two point on one hand they are selling religion the same as any other product so why can't they advertise but at the same time the cinema has the right to refuse any advertisement for whatever reason they choose,

I would say so long as they aren't one product over another product of same type its ok. e.g. refuse to advertise Tayto but will Pringles, or refuse Islam allow Catholics. And to be honest even on that I'm a bit torn, maybe they should be allow refused advertise for whoever for whatever reason they want

Jayop · 23-11-2015 05:03PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Campaign is a funny name for a wedding afters. I also didn't realise wedding cakes were classed as advertising space either.

It wasn't a wedding cake. It was a cake with a slogan supporting the right to gay marriage. It was a campaign but I still agree that they shouldn't have refused to sell it.

Daith · 23-11-2015 05:04PM

Tabnabs wrote: »

Hard to have a 'wedding afters' when the state says you're not of the right persuasion to get the requisite piece of paper...

Do you think it was ok for printers in Louth to refuse to print Civil Partnership cards?

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