Why should a man offer a seat to a woman on train/bus?

Candie wrote: »

I said it before in this thread, life is much more pleasant if you take kindnesses in the spirit they're intended, whether you accept them or not. I can't imagine how miserable it must be to negotiate all those imaginary unpleasant subtexts.

Yes, but that's exactly what a feminazi would say.

Worst thread ever

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Why the need to generalise, in a situation where people are directly dealing with other people and you can see their size.
Why not just say you yield to smaller people so as not to give the impression of domineering over people.
Letting ladies out of a lift first just some back to outdated notions of chivalry.

Clearly they're not outdated notions of chivalry if they're very much in evidence today though? I've never met a woman yet who complained about me treating them with respect.

Of course I'd do the same for a man, but because I can only speak as a man myself, I'm referring to doing it for women because that seems to be what the thread is supposed to be about.

Azalea wrote: »

This is the crux of what the naysayers are saying (and which is deliberately being misinterpreted so that people can go on about feminazis - only one person has said it's insulting to women). It's not sexist or insulting for a man to offer his seat etc to a healthy, able-bodied woman just because she's a woman - it's a nice thing to do, but it's kinda sexist against men not to offer them a seat when that situation arises.

Azalea wrote: »

Exactly. There is talk of when people with medical conditions that cause them discomfort need a seat more - which they do, end of.
Must be exhausting to constantly read "hierarchies" or whatever into pretty basic, uncontroversial stuff.

Hmm...

Ahh no, I completely agree with what you're saying, in both posts, and I do think there are people deliberately misinterpreting people's posts in order to bitch and moan about "dat'll be dem scary feminazis and white knights looking for people to say they're great" and all the rest of it.

I can only say that y'know what, sometimes it doesn't occur to me that the guy standing could have had hip surgery done like me, I can't see it, and people can't see mine, and that's the way I like it, because I want people to treat me normally like everyone else.

I hate inconveniencing people or people putting themselves out for me, but I don't mind doing things for other people, and I try to be gracious when people do things for me (like the girls in work making me coffee, it's unnecessary, I appreciate it, and they know I appreciate it and I know they're just doing it because they want to, it's who they are).

It's like I said - I try not to think too much about this stuff, it hurts my brain, and for me at least it is like you said - pretty basic, uncontroversial stuff. If someone makes it to adulthood without committing a litany of social faux pas, then they're going to lack the same perspective as someone who has done. It's got nothing to do with any out-of-date chivalry or sexism for me anyway. It's just who I am, and I seem to do alright in my daily interactions with other people! If I unintentionally upset someone, it's not intentional, and I hate when people take it that way as that's what gets to me alright

La Fenetre wrote: »

As I said I can only go by own experience. I used to think it was very few and far between, but now my daily routine does happen to take me through a lot of swinging heavy doors and lift doors daily, so I encounter it more often, and sad to say it's from some women you get this attitude, and never men. I can't be bothered explaining to them every time, nor should I have to, that I hold the door for everyone and anyone, man or women. Nor am I going to ask every women beforehand if it offends them or not. It's just easier and quicker and hassle free now not to hold the door for any women. If men start complaining when I hold the door for them, I'll cease holding a door for anyone as I pass through it . . .but to date they haven't.

I'm genuinely not sure if this is meant to be a parody of the whole thing, or the "extreme", "careful what you wish for" kind of stuff, but it's a ridiculous justification IMO to absolve yourself of what is such a simple gesture that could be the difference between heaping your crap upon another person, or doing something that's just something that's just being helpful or polite or considerate or whatever.

A person really has it bad when they would hold the door open for one, and slam it behind them in the face of another. I don't believe you would do such a thing btw, I think you're only saying it to make a silly point. It's a badly made point tbh.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I'm genuinely not sure if this is meant to be a parody of the whole thing, or the "extreme", "careful what you wish for" kind of stuff, but it's a ridiculous justification IMO to absolve yourself of what is such a simple gesture that could be the difference between heaping your crap upon another person, or doing something that's just something that's just being helpful or polite or considerate or whatever.

A person really has it bad when they would hold the door open for one, and slam it behind them in the face of another. I don't believe you would do such a thing btw, I think you're only saying it to make a silly point. It's a badly made point tbh.

You see this is what make any discussion pointless here, some posters inability to be truthful about what was posted so they can get off on a self righteous hysteria lecture. I don't "slam doors in peoples faces", they are self closing swing doors and lift doors. Please post where I did. The person who has it bad is the one that complains when someone is decent enough to hold said door back for them and wants that ceased.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

My post was a self righteous hysteria lecture?

Now I know you're just having a laugh! :pac:

Maybe you'll be more truthful in your quotes in future, instead of trying to pretend what another poster said.