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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #6122
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Nodin wrote: »
    Well I'm glad you've admitted its down to criminality.

    Crime is down to criminality? Who'd 'a thunk it, Forest?
    Nodin wrote: »
    There may be light at the end of the tunnel. The part in bold sounds horrifically like the kind of nonsense fired at Afro-americans.

    What are you even trying to argue now?


  • #6123
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    long range shooter wrote: »
    yeah i know the truth is hard for you to swallow.
    watch the video again.
    thats everyday life in sweden for you.
    maybe you want the same in Ireland?


    And still no answer, nor any attempt to engage in any sort of debate.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97811508&postcount=6117


  • #6124
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,564 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    I am talking about the formation of ghettoes, and there has been cases of "Sharia Patrols" in those regions. Nowhere near as severe as Rosengard, but still there nonetheless.

    Are those sharia patrols anything like the jewish Shomrim 'police' in the UK, who have their own patrol cars; with lights and sirens and the whole lot... and are known to stop women from driving and walking on the same side of the street as men?

    Funny how there's never any hysteria about that

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-2a2xMXEAAAxND.jpg

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-council-removes-unacceptable-stamford-hill-posters-telling-women-which-side-of-the-road-to-9746012.html

    https://www.rt.com/uk/262653-stamford-hill-women-drivers/?


  • #6125
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    silverharp wrote: »
    Its a risk I dont support. As far as the muslim population here is concerned, I said its fine now. ..............


    Yes, you gave the impression of the size of the muslim population being like an atomic pile - once "They" reach a certain size, they go critical and all hell breaks loose. It's a classic bit of fluff trotted out against immigrants throughout history, from Africans to Catholics, Jews etc.


  • #6126
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Are those sharia patrols anything like the jewish Shomrim 'police' in the UK, who have their own patrol cars; with lights and sirens and the whole lot... and are known to stop women from driving and walking on the same side of the street as men?

    Funny how there's never any hysteria about that

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-2a2xMXEAAAxND.jpg

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-council-removes-unacceptable-stamford-hill-posters-telling-women-which-side-of-the-road-to-9746012.html

    https://www.rt.com/uk/262653-stamford-hill-women-drivers/?


    Totally different. They don't wear the same hats for starters.


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  • #6127
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Nodin wrote: »
    And still no answer, nor any attempt to engage in any sort of debate.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97811508&postcount=6117

    i said the answer you will find in the video i posted,do i have to spell it for you?
    all you try to do is derail the subject.
    did you watch my video?
    there is your answerr.
    and here is some more.
    can you explain this too maybe.

    http://www.thelocal.se/20151115/swedish-city-is-largest-recruiting-ground-for-islamic-extremism


  • #6128
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Are those sharia patrols anything like the jewish Shomrim 'police' in the UK, who have their own patrol cars; with lights and sirens and the whole lot... and are known to stop women from driving and walking on the same side of the street as men?

    And those morons should be given the same treatment as the Muslims who espouse Sharia.
    My name is URL wrote: »
    Funny how there's never any hysteria about that

    Probably because there's only 250,000 Jews in the UK, as opposed to ten times that number of Muslims... Probably because Judaism doesn't attempt to forcefully convert people, or espouse a belief that everyone has to be Jewish or put to death?


  • #6129
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    long range shooter wrote: »
    i said the answer you will find in the video i posted,do i have to spell it for you?
    ..............

    ...well that is what I did ask for, yes. I'm not interested in videos about Sweden, I want you to explain why your theory is at odds with the reality.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97811508&postcount=6117

    The way you keep coming back without an answer isn't really telling me you have one, to be blunt.


  • #6130
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yes, you gave the impression of the size of the muslim population being like an atomic pile - once "They" reach a certain size, they go critical and all hell breaks loose. It's a classic bit of fluff trotted out against immigrants throughout history, from Africans to Catholics, Jews etc.

    Size does correlate to risk. If you have 10 Muslims, what's the likelihood of there being extremists? Likely none. If you have 10 million Muslims, what's the likelihood of there being extremists? Infinitely higher.


  • #6131
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Size does correlate to risk. If you have 10 Muslims, what's the likelihood of there being extremists? Likely none. If you have 10 million Muslims, what's the likelihood of there being extremists? Infinitely higher.


    Which brings us back the question - there's roughly five million muslims in France, so why isn't it akin to NI/Belfast in the 1970's-80's?


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  • #6132
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...well that is what I did ask for, yes. I'm not interested in videos about Sweden, I want you to explain why your theory is at odds with the reality.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97811508&postcount=6117

    The way you keep coming back without an answer isn't really telling me you have one, to be blunt.

    Thats because things that is happening in Sweden is reality.
    And you still go back to previous posts?


  • #6133
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    long range shooter wrote: »
    Thats because things that is happening in Sweden is reality.
    And you still go back to previous posts?


    ....but we haven't advanced the debate. You were asked a simple question based on your previous statements as to why they appear utterly wrong and you can't and/or won't answer it.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97811508&postcount=6117
    You realise that this allows people to form the impression that theres not a grain of truth to what you've been saying?


  • #6134
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Nodin wrote: »
    Which brings us back the question - there's roughly five million muslims in France, so why isn't it akin to NI/Belfast in the 1970's-80's?

    The Troubles averaged 117 dead a year. The recent Paris attack killed 130, and Charlie Hebdo killed 12 a few months ago for a total of 142.

    Looks like IS is ahead of the IRA at the moment.


  • #6135
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....but we haven't advanced the debate. You were asked a simple question based on your previous statements as to why they appear utterly wrong and you can't and/or won't answer it.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97811508&postcount=6117
    You realise that this allows people to form the impression that theres not a grain of truth to what you've been saying?

    so what did i not answer you?
    you mean the old Belfast vs Mulims card you always pull when you cant answer properly?


  • #6136
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Wasn't the "Britain First" patrols in response to these Sharia patrols? They're absolutely nonsensical, but a reactionary movement is hardly the same as the instigating movement.

    And yes, I would pretty much say Britian First are White Supremacists... Didn't they organize anti-Irish marches in Liverpool during Paddy's Day a few years ago?



    If whites aren't asked if they're supremacists, there's not that much of a problem with white extremists that would provoke such polls, correct?

    Who began 'patrolling' first is like asking was it chicken or egg first. But, I would say 'Paki Bashing' began long before any 'Sharia Patrols' so it could be argued they grew out of a response to racially motivated attacks.

    Britain First are a splinter from the BNP with added anti-abortion/loyalists - it has staged 'invasions' of mosques and 'pickets' of those it deems 'Islamist' . Nasty bunch.

    Depends - there has been a problem with Neo-Nazi/White Supremacists groups in parts of London's East End going back to the 30s and Oswald Mosley's Fascist Party.

    In the 2010 UK G.E. the BNP got over half a millions votes when it stood candidates in just over half the seats (338 out of 650). That is at least half a million people in the UK who voted for an openly fascist party that would like to see non-white immigrants 'go home' yet, as far as I have been able to determine, there hasn't been polls to gauge the % of support for white supremacists across the UK. It just strikes me as a bit biased to say there are x% of Muslims who support Islamist extremists without also being able to say there are x% of Britons (for example) who support White supremacist extremists. Perhaps it is a question no one wants answered*....


    *conjecture not conspiracy.


  • #6137
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    The Troubles averaged 117 dead a year. The recent Paris attack killed 130, and Charlie Hebdo killed 12 a few months ago for a total of 142.

    Looks like IS is ahead of the IRA at the moment.

    they are way ahead.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2015


  • #6138
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    The Troubles averaged 117 dead a year. The recent Paris attack killed 130, and Charlie Hebdo killed 12 a few months ago for a total of 142.

    Looks like IS is ahead of the IRA at the moment.


    In one attack, directly on civillians. Where are the rest of the attacks? Bear in mind the size of the NI nationalist population in comparison.
    long range shooter wrote:
    so what did i not answer you?

    No, you did not answer. The question was the linked one that you yourself mentioned a few posts back and just quoted, put here again for your perusal
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97811508&postcount=6117

    I await your input with interest.


  • #6139
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yes, you gave the impression of the size of the muslim population being like an atomic pile - once "They" reach a certain size, they go critical and all hell breaks loose. It's a classic bit of fluff trotted out against immigrants throughout history, from Africans to Catholics, Jews etc.

    yeah but we know catholics for instance integrate where ever they go and their faith waters down over time. As of now Muslims integrate less and hang on to their beliefs in a more persistent way.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #6140
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Nodin wrote: »
    In one attack, directly on civillians. Where are the rest of the attacks? Bear in mind the size of the NI nationalist population in comparison.



    No, you did not answer. The question was the linked one that you yourself mentioned a few posts back and just quoted, put here again for your perusal
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97811508&postcount=6117

    I await your input with interest.

    didnt i answer you that allready?


  • #6141
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Nodin wrote: »
    The way you keep coming back without an answer isn't really telling me you have one, to be blunt.

    You don't get to dictate the discussion.
    Nodin wrote: »
    Which brings us back the question - there's roughly five million muslims in France, so why isn't it akin to NI/Belfast in the 1970's-80's?

    You got any more strawmen in that field of yours?


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  • #6142
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Nodin wrote: »
    In one attack, directly on civillians.

    You're right. In one attack they managed to out-do an entire year of the IRA campaign. They are quite bloody indeed.
    Nodin wrote: »
    Where are the rest of the attacks?

    Thwarted by British Intelligence (who claim to have stopped 7 planned attacks in 6 months), by the Belgians (who claim to have foiled attacks against police officers and civilians), by the Americans (remember that attempted train attack?)... Just because intelligence services are much more effective nowadays does not some how negate the attempts from these groups.

    Nodin wrote: »
    Bear in mind the size of the NI nationalist population in comparison.

    That's a pedantic point. The border in Ireland was practically unchecked and the IRA enjoyed a huge nationalist support in the south.


  • #6143
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    silverharp wrote: »
    yeah but we know catholics for instance integrate where ever they go and their faith waters down over time. As of now Muslims integrate less and hang on to their beliefs in a more persistent way.

    Which is why my place of work in London used to be full of second generation Muslims hiding from their mammies while they had a cigarette, a sandwich and a cup of coffee at lunchtime during Ramadam - these were adults not kids.

    TBH - they were not dissimilar to the Irish 'Catholics' who used contraception, only went to Mass when the Mammy was visiting and made a big dealt about giving something up for Lent but ate meat on Good Friday.

    Both groups responded the same when asked why they went through this pretense of following 'their' religion 'Mammy would kill me and it's not worth the hassle sure what harm like.'


  • #6144
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    silverharp wrote: »
    yeah but we know catholics for instance integrate where ever they go and their faith waters down over time. As of now Muslims integrate less and hang on to their beliefs in a more persistent way.

    Yet for decades, centuries perhaps, it was said otherwise.

    Roughly 50% of French "muslims" are non-practicing, did you know that?
    long range shooter wrote:
    didnt i answer you that allready? .

    No you did not, as you are doubtless aware.


  • #6145
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    You're right. In (..............)the south.

    But countless attacks were thwarted (and indeed ambushed) in the North over the years, yet daily bombings and shootings persisted. Add to that British, Irish and US forces worked against the republican movement. Yet in France as I type there are no attacks taking place. There were none on the day before the massacre or the day before that and so on. There are concerts, sports events and socialising which would have been impossible at many times through the conflict. Yet theres a massive muslim population there......where is the level of violence that should be extant?


  • #6146
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,564 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    And those morons should be given the same treatment as the Muslims who espouse Sharia.



    Probably because there's only 250,000 Jews in the UK, as opposed to ten times that number of Muslims...

    There's a much smaller population of jews in the UK, yet the number of such 'patrols' they have is far greater than that of the much bigger muslim population. What does that tell you?

    Should that fact be used as reasoning not to allow any more jews into the UK? Are the views or actions of orthodox jews suggestive of the views of all others of the jewish faith?


  • #6147
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yet for decades, centuries perhaps, it was said otherwise.

    Roughly 50% of French "muslims" are non-practicing, did you know that?



    No you did not, as you are doubtless aware.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97807387&postcount=6060

    yes i did,so stop dictating because you cant handle the truth


  • #6148
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    long range shooter wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97807387&postcount=6060

    yes i did,so stop dictating because you cant handle the truth


    You state that muslims are a danger, yet you don't know why they aren't attacking on a regular basis in country where they are present in large numbers and - according to you - live in no go areas and are too many to be put under surveillance? and yet you're talking about "truth"?

    Would you like me to tell you why you "don't know"?


  • #6149
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    My name is URL wrote: »
    There's a much smaller population of jews in the UK, yet the number of such 'patrols' they have is far greater than that of the much bigger muslim population. What does that tell you?

    That the Jewish groups who carry out these actions should be punished in line with Muslim groups.
    My name is URL wrote: »
    Should that fact be used as reasoning not to allow any more jews into the UK? Are the views or actions of orthodox jews suggestive of the views of all others of the jewish faith?

    If the Jews are statistically more likely to support extremism in their neighbourhoods, of course their immigration to the UK should be curbed and only skilled individuals who will adapt be allowed in.

    Nobody likes Orthodox Jews, not even other Jews. They don't enjoy the support of mainline Jews, unlike Muslim radicals enjoy the approval of a huge minority of Muslims.


  • #6150
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    ..............

    Nobody likes Orthodox Jews, not even other Jews. They don't enjoy the support of mainline Jews, unlike Muslim radicals enjoy the approval of a huge minority of Muslims.

    ...yet are seemingly incapable of launching sustained terrorist campaigns in western countries with large muslim populations. Gas that.


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  • #6151
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Nodin wrote: »
    But countless attacks were thwarted (and indeed ambushed) in the North over the years, yet daily bombings and shootings persisted. Add to that British, Irish and US forces worked against the republican movement.

    I'm not sure if you're being facetious or not. The IRA enjoyed a huge amount of support from the Irish Army and Government throughout the 70s and 80s. The Irish Army had rogue military intelligence and Gardai plan Republican attacks, and the British Military/Intelligence services did the exact same thing to support Loyalists.
    Nodin wrote: »
    Yet in France as I type there are no attacks taking place. There were none on the day before the massacre or the day before that and so on.

    No? Just 3 days ago a Jewish man was stabbed by Muslim attackers. Since January, we've seen Hebdo attack, then we saw a Jewish community centre attacked in February. In April there was another Algerian Jihadist who killed a woman and tried to attack two Churches. In June, IS-affilated Jihadist decapitated a man and tried to blow up a factory. Then we had the train attack in August and the Paris attacks only a few days ago.


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