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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #6092
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Are Muslims responsible for parts of Dublin being 'No-Go Areas' too?
    http://www.thejournal.ie/gardai-cherry-orchard-1802987-Nov2014/
    Carlee Tart Wedding wrote: »
    How can anyone take these videos seriously, from Sasha Israel, he sure sounds neutral anyway. The 'facts' with a one directional narrative slant.

    Have you seen this one, it chronicles the 'truth' about black people. Lap it up -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=515B7J4tv4Y

    NRK is norways national news channel,i take it very serious.

    http://www.nrk.no/about/


  • #6093
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Anyone coming into Ireland to live regardless of religion should have to sign an oath of allegiance to Ireland.
    You abide by our laws and rules or else you feck-off back to where you came from and your religion does not supersede our laws and rules.

    I would have no problem with that - in fact I would go further and say that no religion should dictate our laws and that applies to all religions equally - and all residents equally - be they recent arrivals or born, bred and raised.


  • #6094
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    long range shooter wrote: »
    NRK is norways national news channel,i take it very serious.

    http://www.nrk.no/about/

    That's nice you believe in a Norwegian news channel.

    Now - about the No-Go Zones in Dublin. Care to comment if these are related to the influence of any particular religion?


  • #6095
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    That's nice you believe in a Norwegian news channel.

    Now - about the No-Go Zones in Dublin. Care to comment if these are related to the influence of any particular religion?

    what news channel do you belive in?or is the truth to much to handle?


  • #6096
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    That's nice you believe in a Norwegian news channel.

    Now - about the No-Go Zones in Dublin. Care to comment if these are related to the influence of any particular religion?

    To answer you:

    Both of these no-go zones are influenced by socio-economic factors, but in one, the police are attacked by angry youths (Dublin), in the other, ethnic natives are also attacked (Sweden) solely based on the colour of their skin.

    Now, to continue the argument:

    If we import 4-20,000 people (depending on how many come with the family reunion) who are poorly skilled, poorly educated, and likely with poor English skills... Do you think they won't form ghettoes, fall back on their ethno-religious backgrounds, and come into conflict with natives?

    Paris has Algerians, London has Pakistanis, Berlin has Kurds/Turks, and Malmo has a mixed bag of ethnic tensions... Why should Dublin follow suit, when we already have things like this going on with poor people?

    I could walk around Darndale without being attacked for being white, I don't think I could do that in Rosengard.


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  • #6097
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    long range shooter wrote: »
    what news channel do you belive in?or is the truth to much to handle?

    You seem reluctant to discuss why there are No-Go Areas in Dublin.


  • #6098
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    You seem reluctant to discuss why there are No-Go Areas in Dublin.

    youll see the answer above,and you dd not answer me?what news channel do you believe in?


  • #6099
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    To answer you:

    Both of these no-go zones are influenced by socio-economic factors, but in one, the police are attacked by angry youths (Dublin), in the other, ethnic natives are also attacked (Sweden) solely based on the colour of their skin.

    Now, to continue the argument:

    If we import 4-20,000 people (depending on how many come with the family reunion) who are poorly skilled, poorly educated, and likely with poor English skills... Do you think they won't form ghettoes, fall back on their ethno-religious backgrounds, and come into conflict with natives?

    Paris has Algerians, London has Pakistanis, Berlin has Kurds/Turks, and Malmo has a mixed bag of ethnic tensions... Why should Dublin follow suit, when we already have things like this going on with poor people?

    I could walk around Darndale without being attacked for being white, I don't think I could do that in Rosengard.

    Strange - I lived in the East End of London for a decade and was never even spoken to harshly by Pakistanis never mind 'attacked for being white'.
    I do recall so-called 'Paki Bashing' being a serious issue as feral white people did like to cause trouble around Bethnal Green and Brick Lane. Pouring petrol through the letter boxes of Bengali families and setting the only mean of escape on fire was another 'white' activity.

    Gee - I wonder if all white people were to blame for that?
    No - that would be a ridiculous statement. Imagine blaming a whole group of people for the actions of a few xenophobic, hatefilled, nut-jobs.

    Anyway - I am sure Long Range Shooter is capable of speaking for himself.


  • #6100
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    long range shooter wrote: »
    youll see the answer above,and you dd not answer me?what news channel do you believe in?

    Nope - All I see is you talking about Norwegian new channels but nary a word about Dublin.


  • #6101
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    personally I have no problem with the number of muslims that are here now ~1% of the population. However even look at somewhere like Australia with less than 3% and it means angry protests by Muslims as they start asserting themselves. And if the population started heading towards Swedish levels they would become a drain on the welfare system and possibly the start of Anti semitic crimes or even the start of Christianophobic crimes or just a general lack of integration because of their culture which isnt good for anybody
    so very steady as she goes! there is nothing in for Ireland to see their numbers triple or more here. If we need people here from outside Europe, India and China arent running out of people anytime soon.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • #6102
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    All Religions of the time is impossible as we do not have the information. Many of the religions do not exist anymore or did not have 'Holy' book of instructions in the way that the Abrahamic Religions do.

    There is a passage in the Talmud (Yebhamot 11b: “Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age.” ) that is open to interpretation - Talmudic scholars say it is an allegory, others (mostly anti-Semites such as certain far right web sites) claim the passage is a licence to be a paedophile.

    In a website run for and by Jewish victims of sexual abuse there is a discussion on the passage http://jewishsurvivors.blogspot.ie/2005/02/under-talmudic-law-sexual-use-of-girls.html

    The Old Testament has a fair bit to say about raping virgins (e.g. Numbers 31:7-18) It's not against it but the rapist must marry their victim. The OT doesn't seem to specifically say anything about sex with children, but most girls were married off soon after they had their first period which can be as young as 9 - 'virgins' in a Biblical context means unmarried so the virgins the Israelites are being told to rape are unmarried girls who most likely are pre-pubescent.
    Did these passages translate into an endorsement at the time though for the relevant religions?
    To the extend that this kind of behaviour was seen as the norm, as per post #6021.


  • #6103
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Strange - I lived in the East End of London for a decade and was never even spoken to harshly by Pakistanis never mind 'attacked for being white'.

    I am talking about the formation of ghettoes, and there has been cases of "Sharia Patrols" in those regions. Nowhere near as severe as Rosengard, but still there nonetheless.
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I do recall so-called 'Paki Bashing' being a serious issue as feral white people did like to cause trouble around Bethnal Green and Brick Lane. Pouring petrol through the letter boxes of Bengali families and setting the only mean of escape on fire was another 'white' activity.

    And those people should be punished, nobody is disputing that.
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Gee - I wonder if all white people were to blame for that?
    No - that would be a ridiculous statement. Imagine blaming a whole group of people for the actions of a few xenophobic, hatefilled, nut-jobs.

    It's a false equivalence, there's not a huge amount of white people who support burning them out of their homes. You'd probably find one in every few thousand who might support such a radical move, and even fewer who would actually do it. Yet we have quite a few polls of Muslim groups with quite high support for extremism in the name of Islam.


  • #6104
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    Did these passages translate into an endorsement at the time though for the relevant religions?
    To the extend that this kind of behaviour was seen as the norm, as per post #6021.

    Nope.
    Not discussing theology.

    Question was asked about all religions around in the 7th century which is impossible to answer but The Talmud has a dodgy passage about sex with three year olds which is still controversial today and the subject of much discussion within the Jewish community so I am sure if you google it you will find people better able to discuss it with you.


  • #6105
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    long range shooter wrote: »

    Sweden (............)certain groups

    Perhaps it isn't. malmo isn't Belfast anymore than Paris is however, so perhaps you might be better answering the original question.
    silverharp wrote:
    personally I have no problem with the number of muslims that are here now ~1% of the population. However even look at somewhere like Australia with less than 3% and it means angry protests by Muslims as they start asserting themselves. And if the population started heading towards Swedish levels they would become a drain on the welfare system and possibly the start of Anti semitic crimes or even the start of Christianophobic crimes or just a general lack of integration because of their culture which isnt good for anybody

    No generalisations, assumptions or demonisation there, thank the jaysus.
    IrishTrajan wrote:
    Yet we have quite a few polls of Muslim groups with quite high support for extremism in the name of Islam

    So why isn't Paris like Belfast 1970-80 etc?


  • #6106
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Nodin wrote: »
    So why isn't Paris like Belfast 1970-80 etc?

    Did you miss the name of the thread, or what happened back in January?
    Do you keep forgetting that there was like 36 bombings in Malmo like last year?


  • #6107
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Nodin wrote: »
    Perhaps it isn't. malmo isn't Belfast anymore than Paris is however, so perhaps you might be better answering the original question.



    No generalisations, assumptions or demonisation there, thank the jaysus.



    So why isn't Paris like Belfast 1970-80 etc?

    maybe cause we live in 2015?seems like you are still back in that decade though?


  • #6108
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Nodin wrote: »


    No generalisations, assumptions or demonisation there, thank the jaysus.



    what do you mean by generalisation, its an observation based on numbers. Here is an Australian piece on Islamic violence there. They are not tourists, I dont want to see this on my streets, its not worth it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeFe8kj70ac



    you post on the Atheist forum , dont you? how about having some of this in Dublin? I'm not really up for it myself, I like the quiet life

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCfwcd_Ajg4

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #6109
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    I am talking about the formation of ghettoes, and there has been cases of "Sharia Patrols" in those regions. Nowhere near as severe as Rosengard, but still there nonetheless.



    And those people should be punished, nobody is disputing that.



    It's a false equivalence, there's not a huge amount of white people who support burning them out of their homes. You'd probably find one in every few thousand who might support such a radical move, and even fewer who would actually do it. Yet we have quite a few polls of Muslim groups with quite high support for extremism in the name of Islam.

    Britain First stage regular 'Christian Patrols' in the area - so much so that the Bishop of Stepney has spoken out against them. Does that mean the area is a No-go White Supremacist Area? Or that there are numpties on all sides?

    What percentage do you reckon? 1%?
    Can you show me any polls of 'white' people being asked if they support White supremacists? I can't seem to find any.


  • #6110
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Did you miss the name of the thread, or what happened back in January?
    Do you keep forgetting that there was like 36 bombings in Malmo like last year?


    Not at all. It would also seem strange that this wasn't more widely reported so I looked into it. It would seem that rival criminal gangs are attacking each other. Thus it has absolutely nothing to do with "Islam" whatsoever.
    long range shooter wrote:
    maybe cause we live in 2015?seems like you are still back in that decade though?

    Again, a non-answer. Why is it you're unable to explain the hole in your own plot?

    "But according to you earlier, they're out to attack people. Now they just recruit in "ghettoes" and they don't do anything? Is most of jihadi activity in France made up of social evenings and poker games? You've now said that they aren't under surveillance.......what's stopping them?" -

    Theres five million muslims at least in France - why isn't it a warzone?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97802881&postcount=6023


  • #6111
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Nodin wrote: »
    Not at all. It would also seem strange that this wasn't more widely reported so I looked into it. It would seem that rival criminal gangs are attacking each other. Thus it has absolutely nothing to do with "Islam" whatsoever.

    Of course, those gangs throwing petrol bombs at police and attacking ethnic Swedes who enter "their areas" definitely aren't motivated by ethno-religious tensions. :rolleyes:


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  • #6112
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    silverharp wrote: »
    what do you mean by generalisation, its an observation based on numbers. Here is an Australian piece on Islamic violence there. They are not tourists, I dont want to see this on my streets, its not worth it.

    No, it's saying that numbers of muslims will (without fail) result in certain outcomes. Those are two pieces of video taken from a large country over a period of years and prove absolutely nothing.

    There are roughly 50,000 muslims in Ireland, most of them in Dublin. I'd say you're safe.


  • #6113
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Nodin wrote: »
    Not at all. It would also seem strange that this wasn't more widely reported so I looked into it. It would seem that rival criminal gangs are attacking each other. Thus it has absolutely nothing to do with "Islam" whatsoever.



    Again, a non-answer. Why is it you're unable to explain the hole in your own plot?

    "But according to you earlier, they're out to attack people. Now they just recruit in "ghettoes" and they don't do anything? Is most of jihadi activity in France made up of social evenings and poker games? You've now said that they aren't under surveillance.......what's stopping them?" -

    Theres five million muslims at least in France - why isn't it a warzone?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97802881&postcount=6023

    you did watch the video i posted?there is your answer


  • #6114
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Of course, those gangs throwing petrol bombs at police and attacking ethnic Swedes who enter "their areas" definitely aren't motivated by ethno-religious tensions. :rolleyes:


    ...depends on whether you count a shower of Serbian Orthodox gangsters and Bosnian-muslim gangsters killing each other a result of "ethno-religious tensions". I suppose it is at one level, but I have the mad idea they're primarily about criminal enterprise and the rest is after the fact.


  • #6115
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Britain First stage regular 'Christian Patrols' in the area - so much so that the Bishop of Stepney has spoken out against them. Does that mean the area is a No-go White Supremacist Area? Or that there are numpties on all sides?

    Wasn't the "Britain First" patrols in response to these Sharia patrols? They're absolutely nonsensical, but a reactionary movement is hardly the same as the instigating movement.

    And yes, I would pretty much say Britian First are White Supremacists... Didn't they organize anti-Irish marches in Liverpool during Paddy's Day a few years ago?
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    What percentage do you reckon? 1%?
    Can you show me any polls of 'white' people being asked if they support White supremacists? I can't seem to find any.

    If whites aren't asked if they're supremacists, there's not that much of a problem with white extremists that would provoke such polls, correct?


  • #6116
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    long range shooter wrote: »
    you did watch the video i posted?there is your answer


    You might as well put up a funny picture of a cat. In fact, I would have preferred it. Why can't you just type out your answer? It's your thesis, there is a gaping hole between it and reality, so just explain it.


  • #6117
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Nodin wrote: »
    I have the mad idea they're primarily about criminal enterprise and the rest is after the fact.

    And you know what one of the largest contributors to crime is? Being poor! You know what happens with non-EU migrants in Sweden? Half of them are unemployed and get stuck in a poverty trap which results in them falling back on their ethnic roots, believing that the country would be better if they were more "accommodating" - all of this I've stated before.


  • #6118
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Nodin wrote: »
    You might as well put up a funny picture of a cat. In fact, I would have preferred it. Why can't you just type out your answer? It's your thesis, there is a gaping hole between it and reality, so just explain it.

    yeah i know the truth is hard for you to swallow.
    watch the video again.
    thats everyday life in sweden for you.
    maybe you want the same in Ireland?


  • #6119
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    And you know what one of the largest contributors to crime is? Being poor! You know what happens with non-EU migrants in Sweden? Half of them are unemployed and get stuck in a poverty trap which results in them falling back on their ethnic roots, believing that the country would be better if they were more "accommodating" - all of this I've stated before.

    Well I'm glad you've admitted its down to criminality. There may be light at the end of the tunnel. The part in bold sounds horrifically like the kind of nonsense fired at Afro-americans.


  • #6120
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    long range shooter wrote: »
    yeah i know the truth is hard for you to swallow.
    watch the video again.
    thats everyday life in sweden for you.
    maybe you want the same in Ireland?

    I know you're trying to contribute, but really, you're just making the anti-migrant stance harder to argue...


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  • #6121
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Nodin wrote: »
    No, it's saying that numbers of muslims will (without fail) result in certain outcomes. Those are two pieces of video taken from a large country over a period of years and prove absolutely nothing.

    There are roughly 50,000 muslims in Ireland, most of them in Dublin. I'd say you're safe.

    Its a risk I dont support. As far as the muslim population here is concerned, I said its fine now. We havnt seen 2nd generation yet but looking at countries that do, its not pretty and frankly isnt worth it which is why I would be against a drift up in the muslim population in the future

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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