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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #6062
    Figbiscuithead
    Closed Accounts Posts: 307 ✭✭Figbiscuithead


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Belgium have put Brussels onto the highest terrorist threat level, that means an imminent attack is expected. People in Brussels are being told not to gather in groups and not to attend any events in the capital.
    Brussels has been closed down.


    This is awful. I've 3 good friends living there working in the parliament and one of them was called into work this morning to discuss security at work. Scary ****. I'm really scared for them.


  • #6063
    opiniated
    Closed Accounts Posts: 889 ✭✭✭opiniated


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    All Religions of the time is impossible as we do not have the information. Many of the religions do not exist anymore or did not have 'Holy' book of instructions in the way that the Abrahamic Religions do.

    There is a passage in the Talmud (Yebhamot 11b: “Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age.” ) that is open to interpretation - Talmudic scholars say it is an allegory, others (mostly anti-Semites such as certain far right web sites) claim the passage is a licence to be a paedophile.

    In a website run for and by Jewish victims of sexual abuse there is a discussion on the passage http://jewishsurvivors.blogspot.ie/2005/02/under-talmudic-law-sexual-use-of-girls.html

    The Old Testament has a fair bit to say about raping virgins (e.g. Numbers 31:7-18) It's not against it but the rapist must marry their victim. The OT doesn't seem to specifically say anything about sex with children, but most girls were married off soon after they had their first period which can be as young as 9 - 'virgins' in a Biblical context means unmarried so the virgins the Israelites are being told to rape are unmarried girls who most likely are pre-pubescent.

    ?

    King James Bible:

    http://christiananswers.net/bible/num31.html
    7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
    8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
    9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
    10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
    11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
    12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
    13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
    14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
    15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
    16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
    17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
    18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
    Catholic Bible:

    http://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=4&bible_chapter=31
    7 They made war on Midian, as Yahweh had ordered Moses, and put every male to death. 8 What is more, they killed the kings of Midian, Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba, the five Midianite kings; they also put Balaam son of Beor to the sword.
    9 The Israelites took the Midianite women and their little ones captive and carried off all their cattle, all their flocks and all their goods as booty.
    10 They set fire to the towns where they lived and to all their encampments.
    11 Then, taking all their booty, everything they had captured, human and animal,
    12 they brought the captives, spoil and booty to Moses, the priest Eleazar and the whole community of Israelites at the camp on the Plains of Moab, near the Jordan by Jericho.
    13 Moses, the priest Eleazar and all the leaders of the community went out of the camp to meet them.
    14 Moses was enraged with the officers of the army, the commanders of the thousands and commanders of the hundreds, who had come back from this military expedition.
    15 He said, 'Why have you spared the life of all the women?
    16 They were the very ones who, on Balaam's advice, caused the Israelites to be unfaithful to Yahweh in the affair at Peor: hence the plague which struck Yahweh's community.
    17 So kill all the male children and kill all the women who have ever slept with a man;
    18 but spare the lives of the young girls who have never slept with a man, and keep them for yourselves.
    Definitely not complimentary to women, and I haven't done enough study to have any idea what plague Moses was talking about, but no word of rape, there?

    In fact, my understanding of OT teaching was that any man, who was not engaged to a woman, who had sexual relations with a woman/girl, rape, or otherwise, was obliged to marry her (Basically, since no-one else would)


  • #6064
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Religious texts are open to interpretation and religious texts can be used to 'justify' extremism.
    They are also subject to the vagaries of translation unless one is fluent in the language they were originally written it - and an original text can be found.

    I have no intention debating theology or interpretation or whether the word 'Alma' means 'young woman' or 'virgin' - I will leave that to Biblical, Rabbinical and Islamic scholars. From my perspective it's all a crock of ancient crap.

    I was responding to a question re: religions 'condoning' child sex. A brief search showed there is a passage in the Talmud that is highly questionable but Rabbinical scholars say it is allegorical and not intended to be taken literally. Other people claim it is being used to condone paedophilia. I posted some information on that passage and the OT advocating the rape of virgins. If anyone wants to believe that every virgin in ancient times was over 18 then they are welcome to do so - as unlikely as that is.

    That ends my involvement in this particular tangent.
    opiniated wrote: »
    ?

    King James Bible:

    http://christiananswers.net/bible/num31.html

    Catholic Bible:

    http://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=4&bible_chapter=31

    Definitely not complimentary to women, and I haven't done enough study to have any idea what plague Moses was talking about, but no word of rape, there?

    In fact, my understanding of OT teaching was that any man, who was not engaged to a woman, who had sexual relations with a woman/girl, rape, or otherwise, was obliged to marry her (Basically, since no-one else would)

    See my post above in case you missed it.

    Not debating theology or interpretations or differences in various translations etc etc etc. Ain't nobody got time for that can of worms.


  • #6065
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,499 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    The girl that allegedly blew herself up wasn't a practising Muslim and never prayed or went to mosque, had a cocaine problem, drank ...partied like a mofo and was promiscuous. Her final meal was kfc. Sounds like she was vulnerable and radicalized.


  • #6066
    opiniated
    Closed Accounts Posts: 889 ✭✭✭opiniated


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    See my post above in case you missed it.

    Not debating theology or interpretations or differences in various translations etc etc etc. Ain't nobody got time for that can of worms.

    I was typing as you posted, actually.

    I certainly don't have time for debating theology, either.
    I was just so shocked at your statement that I felt obliged to reply.

    I'm quite happy to leave it at that.


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  • #6067
    nxbyveromdwjpg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    zeffabelli wrote: »
    Don't tell me Isis has nothing to do with Islam.

    Who is denying this?

    There seems to be a lot of answering questions that were never asked in this thread, or rebutting points that were never made, because it's easier than addressing any actual points made.


  • #6068
    Minderbinder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Minderbinder


    zeffabelli wrote: »
    Ignoring this fight is based in religion is willfull denial.

    Yea history has proven time and again evil has been justified by the belief in the orders of the supernatural.

    It's like saying the Magdalene laundries had nothing to do with Catholicism. Yes they did.

    And this has to do with Islam.

    People are denying it because they themselves don't want to share psychological proximity with the monsters because they themselves believe in the supernatural.

    The fundamentalists Christians in the US are funding Israel because of a biblical apocalyptic vision they want to see manifest.

    Don't tell me Isis has nothing to do with Islam.

    I don't believe in any religion but I can tell you no war in history has been fought for religious reasons. wars are fought for money, power, land and freedom. two types of people believe wars are fought in the name of religion. the idiot brainwashed front line soldiers and people like you for whom it fits conveniently to support your atheist agenda.

    I swear there's a branch of atheists as close-minded and obstinately committed to their beliefs as any religion.


  • #6069
    zeffabelli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭zeffabelli


    Minderbinder wrote: »
    I don't believe in any religion but I can tell you no war in history has been fought for religious reasons. wars are fought for money, power, land and freedom. two types of people believe wars are fought in the name of religion. the idiot brainwashed front line soldiers and people like you for whom it fits conveniently to support your atheist agenda.

    I swear there's a branch of atheists as close-minded and obstinately committed to their beliefs as any religion.

    How do you know I'm an atheist? Pretty jumpy conclusion.

    Plenty of bloodshed has been spent in the name of the supernatural as other abhorrent cruelties are. You speak as if religion is divorced from power when it had everything to do with power.

    Please. Piss on someone else and call it rain.


  • #6070
    Minderbinder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Minderbinder


    zeffabelli wrote: »
    How do you know I'm an atheist? Pretty jumpy conclusion.

    because you have no tact

    actually hang on. your words are in the name of atheism but real atheists would probably have a better understanding of how to respectfully approach non-atheists and still make their point.


  • #6071
    zeffabelli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭zeffabelli


    Minderbinder wrote: »
    because you have no tact

    actually hang on. your words are in the name of atheism but real atheists would probably have a better understanding of how to respectfully approach non-atheists and still make their point.

    Really. Tact is a sign of belief? Where did you get your theology degree?

    I never claimed to speak on behalf of atheism. And what is a real atheist? Is this a transcendent form if virtual, false, imitation atheism?

    Your words make no sense.

    Why do I need to respect religion or those who follow it? Why does it deserve inherent respect?


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  • #6072
    Minderbinder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Minderbinder


    if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail


  • #6073
    zeffabelli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭zeffabelli


    Minderbinder wrote: »
    if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail

    Can you reply with something other than a meaningless platitude?


  • #6074
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Nodin wrote: »
    Not being able to flesh out your own narrative doesn't really help it in the believability stakes tbh.

    your the right one to say that mister


  • #6075
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Minderbinder wrote: »
    I don't believe in any religion but I can tell you no war in history has been fought for religious reasons. wars are fought for money, power, land and freedom. two types of people believe wars are fought in the name of religion. the idiot brainwashed front line soldiers and people like you for whom it fits conveniently to support your atheist agenda.

    I swear there's a branch of atheists as close-minded and obstinately committed to their beliefs as any religion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war#List_of_major_religious_wars

    Or http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-alan-lurie/is-religion-the-cause-of-_b_1400766.html from an article dismissing the myth that religion causes most wars, still asserts that there are religiously motivated wars, just that they're in the minority.
    Well, yes, we do need to name more, because while clearly there were wars that had religion as the prime cause, an objective look at history reveals that those killed in the name of religion have, in fact, been a tiny fraction in the bloody history of human conflict. In their recently published book, "Encyclopedia of Wars," authors Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod document the history of recorded warfare, and from their list of 1763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause, accounting for less than 7 percent of all wars and less than 2 percent of all people killed in warfare. While, for example, it is estimated that approximately one to three million people were tragically killed in the Crusades, and perhaps 3,000 in the Inquisition, nearly 35 million soldiers and civilians died in the senseless, and secular, slaughter of World War 1 alone.

    [...]

    To be clear, this is not to say that religion is not a cause of conflict. Obviously it is, has been, and no doubt will continue to be. Clearly there are those who have committed horrendous acts based on religious zeal, and we must be alert to these threats and respond forcefully. But in a world with billions of people who are self-defined as religious, those who believe that violence is the will of God and that the murder of innocents is a holy act are a small, insane minority.


  • #6076
    irish coldplayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭irish coldplayer


    Minderbinder wrote: »
    I swear there's a branch of atheists as close-minded and obstinately committed to their beliefs as any religion.

    A strange sentence considering atheism is an absence of belief.


  • #6077
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    long range shooter wrote: »
    your the right one to say that mister


    But I have explained exactly what I'm on about. Coming back with the equivalent of "it takes one to know one" further underlines your lack of a coherent argument.


  • #6078
    DubVelo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭DubVelo


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    The girl that allegedly blew herself up wasn't a practising Muslim and never prayed or went to mosque, had a cocaine problem, drank ...partied like a mofo and was promiscuous. Her final meal was kfc. Sounds like she was vulnerable and radicalized.

    Last I heard there was some question over whether she was the bomber and they were now saying it was the other guy.


  • #6079
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Nodin wrote: »
    But I have explained exactly what I'm on about. Coming back with the equivalent of "it takes one to know one" further underlines your lack of a coherent argument.

    always have to have the last word,lol.
    read my previous posts.
    maybe you should get out of Ireland more often and see what happens out in the big world.
    its never to late,even for you


  • #6080
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    long range shooter wrote: »
    always have to have the last word,lol.
    read my previous posts.
    maybe you should get out of Ireland more often and see what happens out in the big world.
    its never to late,even for you

    Nothing to do with the question you've been asked -

    "But according to you earlier, they're out to attack people. Now they just recruit in "ghettoes" and they don't do anything? Is most of jihadi activity in France made up of social evenings and poker games? You've now said that they aren't under surveillance.......what's stopping them? "
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97802881&postcount=6023


  • #6081
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Nodin wrote: »
    Nothing to do with the question you've been asked -

    "But according to you earlier, they're out to attack people. Now they just recruit in "ghettoes" and they don't do anything? Is most of jihadi activity in France made up of social evenings and poker games? You've now said that they aren't under surveillance.......what's stopping them? "
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97802881&postcount=6023

    i have better things to do.i have a job and a life too you know.
    ill talk to you when the next attck comes.
    dont forget to bow to the east 5 tines a day.
    have a nice day.


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  • #6082
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    The girl that allegedly blew herself up wasn't a practising Muslim and never prayed or went to mosque, had a cocaine problem, drank ...partied like a mofo and was promiscuous. Her final meal was kfc. Sounds like she was vulnerable and radicalized.
    DubVelo wrote: »
    Last I heard there was some question over whether she was the bomber and they were now saying it was the other guy.
    They've been reporting on French media since yesterday that she wasn't the kamikaze, she was just killed in the explosion.


  • #6083
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    long range shooter wrote: »
    i have better things to do.i have a job and a life too you know.
    ill talk to you when the next attck comes.
    dont forget to bow to the east 5 tines a day.
    have a nice day.

    And again, distraction and baiting. All I'm asking for is you to explain the flaws in your own theory.


  • #6084
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    IvyTheTerrible wrote: »
    They've been reporting on French media since yesterday that she wasn't the kamikaze, she was just killed in the explosion.

    You have to be careful who you mix with. There must have been indications that the people she was with were of the dubious kind. May be she should have left.
    But then again, if she had been radicalised then may be she had no will power.


  • #6085
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTfCs_eQpzM


  • #6086
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/470396/ISIS-Islamic-State-Sweden-Europe-threat

    http://www.thelocal.se/20151115/swedish-city-is-largest-recruiting-ground-for-islamic-extremism

    Sweden seems to have some troubles integrating certain groups


  • #6087
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    long range shooter wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTfCs_eQpzM

    Are Muslims responsible for parts of Dublin being 'No-Go Areas' too?
    http://www.thejournal.ie/gardai-cherry-orchard-1802987-Nov2014/


  • #6088
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Are Muslims responsible for parts of Dublin being 'No-Go Areas' too?
    http://www.thejournal.ie/gardai-cherry-orchard-1802987-Nov2014/

    In sweden they have 55 no go zones


  • #6089
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    long range shooter wrote: »
    In sweden they have 55 no go zones

    Not what I asked you.

    I asked you 'Are Muslims responsible for parts of Dublin becoming a No-Go Zone'.

    Yes or No.


  • #6090
    nxbyveromdwjpg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    long range shooter wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTfCs_eQpzM

    How can anyone take these videos seriously, from Sasha Israel, he sure sounds neutral anyway. The 'facts' with a one directional narrative slant.

    Have you seen this one, it chronicles the 'truth' about black people. Lap it up -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=515B7J4tv4Y


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  • #6091
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,029 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Anyone coming into Ireland to live regardless of religion should have to sign an oath of allegiance to Ireland.
    You abide by our laws and rules or else you feck-off back to where you came from and your religion does not supersede our laws and rules.


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