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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 - Mod Note Post 7373

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  • #3572
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    because sadly there is an element of our support that just loves to find a scapegoat in our team and turn on our players when things are going wrong, but at the same time they are willing to completely ignore the real issues perhaps lie elsewhere.

    it happened to Evra, it happened to Nani, it happened to Cleverly, it happened to Welbeck, now that they are all gone, its turned to Rooney.

    anybody wanting Rooney to be injured, isnt a United fan. its f*cking pathetic.

    I agree with most of that, never wish injury on a player.

    Cleverley was not good enough for United, and Welbeck - he tried his best, his only problem has been poor finishing, Nani - I don't miss him.


  • #3573
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,086 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    not really at you Homer, but nobody wanted to see Cleverly injuried

    The reason Cleverly got stick is he was ****, is still ****, and anyone who thinks different is talking ****.

    EDIT: in fairness Welbeck would still have been good squad player and least tried and had pride when playing for United.

    EVENFLOW



  • #3574
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,153 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Nani - I don't miss him.

    You should, he is the only one of those listed who might actually have made a difference to us this season.


  • #3575
    The Moldy Gowl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭The Moldy Gowl


    bangkok wrote: »
    exactly, we usually sell good players for dirt cheap, RVP 4m, Nani 4m, Rafael 2.5m, Javier Hernandez 7m, evra 1.2m.


    I was agreeing with what Brinty had said about him. He is in his 3rd season at united now and we still don't know what his best position is. van Gaal seemed to think he was a striker at the start of the season but after a few appearances it was clear as day he wasn't a striker, so what is he? He's not a midfielder..


    I'm not gonna bother debating Fellaini.



    But how much should we sell them for?
    Bayern sold Bastian for 6 million as well.


    Would you prefer the club drags their heels over a million for a player who is happy to leave and isn't needed

    I prefer them to just let the player go if he wants for a small fee than be gowls about it.

    Just let him leave and move on.


  • #3576
    Manutd_4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭Manutd_4life


    Valencia Tweet:

    'I can be down,I can break me but that will not go away my strength and my desire to do my goals and be happy'


    Em ok then....


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  • #3577
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    because sadly there is an element of our support that just loves to find a scapegoat in our team and turn on our players when things are going wrong, but at the same time they are willing to completely ignore the real issues perhaps lie elsewhere.

    it happened to Evra, it happened to Nani, it happened to Cleverly, it happened to Welbeck, now that they are all gone, its turned to Rooney.

    anybody wanting Rooney to be injured, isnt a United fan. its f*cking pathetic.

    I think that is taking it to the extreme. I was extremely critical of the players you mentioned, along with Vidic and Ferdinand through various times, and felt totally justifiable doing so.

    Although at no point would I actually want a player to be injured. That's ridiculous thinking from anyone who wants that. You want, and should want, your manager to be tough and big enough to drop the player you feel is causing you grief and not performing.


  • #3578
    Irishcrx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Irishcrx


    Would play Rojo , Smalling , Jones , Darmain in defence.

    Bastian and Sneiderlin in midfield.

    Young , Herrera , Mata in ATM.

    Wilson up front. He deserves a shot.

    Depay to come on at some stage.


  • #3579
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    not really at you Homer, but nobody wanted to see Cleverly injuried

    The reason Cleverly got stick is he was ****, is still ****, and anyone who thinks different is talking ****.

    EDIT: in fairness Welbeck would still have been good squad player and least tried and had pride when playing for United.

    And yet at the same time if anyone was giving the option "Wellbeck or Falcao" I'd be worried about anyone who chose Wellbeck, Falcao's injury situation aside.

    While it's all a bit nice and hingsighty, I was very critical of Wellbeck at United and never felt he would be of the required standard. And I took some **** for it.

    Can't say I've seen anything to indicate any "ugh I got that wrong" on my part.

    He has two seasons to sort his **** out, or he will basically be in with the likes of Frazier Campbell and those boys. All the pace in the world, can't hit a barn with a shotgun.


  • #3580
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    You should, he is the only one of those listed who might actually have made a difference to us this season.

    His time was past, look at how many of the other top clubs wanted him. He was very hit and miss.


  • #3581
    Irishcrx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Irishcrx


    Falcao and Torres should grab lunch some time , between the two of them they might be able figure out how they went from being two of the most feared strikers on the planet to also rans who couldn't finish their dinner.


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  • #3582
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,153 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    RobertKK wrote: »
    His time was past, look at how many of the other top clubs wanted him. He was very hit and miss.

    A specious argument, the top clubs weren't exactly lining up for Rooney either.

    We have been absolutely crying out for a player with pace and unpredictability to help us unlock massed defences, Nani could have offered that but instead we let him go for peanuts. Thats an important factor you know, the fact that we didn't need to chase him or buy him, we already had him, we just needed to use him.

    But Van Gaal doesn't like unpredictable, so instead we have to watch Mata frighten teams with his pace instead.


  • #3583
    The Moldy Gowl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭The Moldy Gowl


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    A specious argument, the top clubs weren't exactly lining up for Rooney either.

    We have been absolutely crying out for a player with pace and unpredictability to help us unlock massed defences, Nani could have offered that but instead we let him go for peanuts. Thats an important factor you know, the fact that we didn't need to chase him or buy him, we already had him, we just needed to use him.

    But Van Gaal doesn't like unpredictable, so instead we have to watch Mata frighten teams with his pace instead.


    Have you tried quitting your job and becoming a football manager.
    You have wonderful insight that 3 other managers had failed to see.


    Nani was done.


  • #3584
    Pro. F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    StringerBell wrote: »
    Ah we can all pull out those posts ;) A couple of examples

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=70589948&postcount=19945

    2011


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84408692&postcount=6882

    2013


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84408974&postcount=6885

    Are you Kryogen?!
    If so, welcome back


  • #3585
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Irishcrx wrote: »
    Falcao and Torres should grab lunch some time , between the two of them they might be able figure out how they went from being two of the most feared strikers on the planet to also rans who couldn't finish their dinner.

    I'd imagine the answer is pretty clear in two serious injuries, which results in a number of subsequent injuries for players like them relying on explosiveness, and then mental doubt starts to creep in about how they can't do what they want to anymore.

    Same thing happened with Owen.

    It is no big mystery or secret. you just watch them long enough after they return to realise that the injury's involved weren't something they could ever get over.


  • #3586
    Trigger
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    But Van Gaal doesn't like unpredictable, so instead we have to watch Mata frighten teams with his pace instead.

    Memphis, Martial and Lingard are all unpredictable.

    Moderator: Forum Games, Conspiracy Theories, Current Affairs/IMHO



  • #3587
    brinty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭brinty


    Pro. F wrote: »
    Are you Kryogen?!
    If so, welcome back

    And legend lives on....

    Welcome back Kryogen....

    Missed around here you have been...


  • #3588
    adox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,055 ✭✭✭✭adox


    Business Cat wrote: »
    The decision to ship off RVP and Falcao was absolutely right.

    Two players whose star has waned earning about £500,000 between them, way too much for bit part players.

    Chico still stings though.

    The decision not to replace them was madness, really poor squad management imo and this weekends team availabilty was bound to happen.

    Its the most bizarre thing that Van Gaal has done at the club so far and theres been a few.


  • #3589
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,153 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    adox wrote: »
    The decision not to replace them was madness, really poor squad management imo and this weekends team availabilty was bound to happen.

    Its the most bizarre thing that Van Gaal has done at the club so far and theres been a few.

    At least now we get to see what the real story with Wilson is. Does Van Gaal rate him enough to put him front and center? Is he good enough to take the chance? He is older than Martial so no excuses, lets see what he can do.


  • #3590
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,459 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    brinty wrote: »
    And legend lives on....

    Welcome back Kryogen....

    Missed around here you have been...

    Thank you Yoda! ;)

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #3591
    Trigger
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    At least now we get to see what the real story with Wilson is. Does Van Gaal rate him enough to put him front and center? Is he good enough to take the chance? He is older than Martial so no excuses, lets see what he can do.

    ehm about that
    https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/667641073615917056

    Moderator: Forum Games, Conspiracy Theories, Current Affairs/IMHO



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  • #3592
    keane2097
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,843 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    StringerBell wrote: »
    Thank you Yoda! ;)

    Hi. Very glad you are back.


  • #3593
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    top of the league if we win tomorrow, top of the league :)


  • #3594
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,153 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    astradave wrote: »
    ehm about that
    https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/667641073615917056

    You can imagine my opinion on that.

    Our 3rd striker who never gets a game doesn't have match rhythm, better not play him then :rolleyes:. So who does play up front? Depay? Felliani? Yeah, I'm sure their match rhythm will be just tip-top!


  • #3595
    Trigger
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    You can imagine my opinion on that.

    Our 3rd striker who never gets a game doesn't have match rhythm, better not play him then :rolleyes:. So who does play up front? Depay? Felliani? Yeah, I'm sure their match rhythm will be just tip-top!

    Fellaini is injured :D Wilson was out with a knock I thought so he isn't fully fit yet. Memphis is who I reckon will start up front with Lingard herrera and Mata behind him. In fairness we SHOULD have more than enough to beat Watford. I suppose we will have to wait and see until tomorrow who is picked.

    Moderator: Forum Games, Conspiracy Theories, Current Affairs/IMHO



  • #3596
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Lingard Mata Depay
    ............Wilson.........

    My pick of what's available, a good amount of pace in there


  • #3597
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,459 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    You can imagine my opinion on that.

    Our 3rd striker who never gets a game doesn't have match rhythm, better not play him then :rolleyes:. So who does play up front? Depay? Felliani? Yeah, I'm sure their match rhythm will be just tip-top!

    Our 3rd/4th striker, just back from injury who hasn't played much doesn't have any match fitness so can't play 90 minutes.

    Remind me, did Van Gaal say he can't play because he has no match fitness or did he say he can't play 90 minutes because he has no match fitness?

    Do you think it would be unreasonable to suggest a player with no match fitness would struggle to play 90 minutes as a lone striker?

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #3598
    Vic Vinegar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭Vic Vinegar


    Marcus Rashford and Sean Goss are in the squad for tomorrow.


  • #3599
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Am actually very curious to see how we do tomorrow. Not been shy in saying I wanted Rooney out of the squad, and in a way, we've been too over reliant on Martial. Will be interesting.

    Though I'm not expecting entertainment :P Gonna be a grounded out result.


  • #3600
    Manutd_4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭Manutd_4life


    Such a great guy. Go to 5.20. Quality Banter :D:D



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  • #3601
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,153 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    StringerBell wrote: »
    Our 3rd/4th striker, just back from injury who hasn't played much doesn't have any match fitness so can't play 90 minutes.

    Remind me, did Van Gaal say he can't play because he has no match fitness or did he say he can't play 90 minutes because he has no match fitness?

    Do you think it would be unreasonable to suggest a player with no match fitness would struggle to play 90 minutes as a lone striker?

    Van Gaal didn't mention fitness at all. He said rhythm.

    You can debate if he means fitness, but it doesn't really change my thoughts. Wilson can't last 90 minutes? Fine. Start him and see how long he lasts. He isn't going to get much fitter sitting there. Not going to get much rhythm either.


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