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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #5972
    Orangebrigade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭Orangebrigade


    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    not so sure, saddam certainly did have a long history of owning and using wmd…all the rest is politics and media brainwash…
    He was no threat to America or the UK and for that alone the war should not have happened. I don't know why we think our countries should remove Arab dictators when all I see is destruction after the event.

    I don't think the people in those countries are ready for democratic societies. They either aren't used to it or don't want it.


  • #5973
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    m@cc@ wrote: »

    Declaring war on ISIS was reactionary and unnecessary. Islamic State is not actually a state. Why give them the prestige they so clearly crave?

    But isn't the debate over 'declaring war' a bit of a semantics battle. If your house was infested with rats you wouldn't 'declare war' on them but you most definitely take all necessary steps to ensure the infestation was ended. Likewise with ISIS.


  • #5974
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Orangebrigade wrote: »
    He was no threat to America or the UK and for that alone the war should not have happened. I don't know why we think our countries should remove Arab dictators when all I see is destruction after the event.

    I don't think the people in those countries are ready for democratic societies. They either aren't used to it or don't want it.

    That can basically be translated into... not my problem, not our concern, you brown people a. aren't able for democracy and b. probably love your oppressive autocrat really.


  • #5975
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,080 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...but according to the logic of some here it should be. Why isn't it?




    You're going to have to put your back intro it a bit more if you want to shift those goalposts. Why isn't France a warzone? Why isn't Paris like Belfast in the 1970's/80's/90's 365 days a year?

    Belfast wasn't a warzone 365 days of the year, there were plenty of soldiers on the streets however, no go areas that were impossible to police and terrorist cells that operated from... all begining to sound familiar to your whataboutery?
    Of course Belfast was about 40% Catholic at the time, Islam has a way to go but another couple of million migrants should sort that out, so don't wory, total war all the time every time is comming to a bogside arrondissement near you soon enough.


  • #5976
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    There are parts of the Qu'ran that are questionable, I'll give you that. But to pass that as a subtantiantial reason for terrorism is to let these assholes off the hook.
    So you think Islam isn't a substantial component in Islamic terrorism????
    What else do you think is radicalising it's followers?
    Nodin wrote: »
    You're going to have to put your back intro it a bit more if you want to shift those goalposts. Why isn't France a warzone? Why isn't Paris like Belfast in the 1970's/80's/90's 365 days a year?
    Why would Paris be like Belfast in the 1970's/80's/90's 365 days a year?
    I don't understand why you're using the situation in Northern Ireland as some sort of benchmark.


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  • #5977
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    conorhal wrote: »
    Belfast wasn't a warzone 365 days of the year, there were plenty of soldiers on the streets however, no go areas that were impossible to police and terrorist cells that operated from... all begining to sound familiar to your whataboutery?
    Of course Belfast was about 40% Catholic at the time, Islam has a way to go but another couple of million migrants should sort that out, so don't wory, total war all the time every time is comming to a bogside arrondissement near you soon enough.

    Ah shut up, good lad.


  • #5978
    DubVelo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭DubVelo


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    Why would Paris be like Belfast in the 1970's/80's/90's 365 days a year?
    I don't understand why you're using the situation in Northern Ireland as some sort of benchmark.

    Nodin's Law - If a thread is long enough, in the end it comes back to Norn Iron and/or The 'RA :rolleyes:


  • #5979
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,080 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Ah shut up, good lad.

    I'm surprised sombody with their head in the sand can even hear me bleating :rolleyes:

    You want some peace from reality, why not toddle off this thread to theguardian.com


  • #5980
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    conorhal wrote: »
    I'm surprised sombody with their head in the sand can even hear me bleating :rolleyes:

    Well that's all it is, bleating.

    I live in reality. I want peace from gimps like yourself.


  • #5981
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    conorhal wrote: »
    Belfast(...................)enough.

    So "yeah but no but yeah".....

    I don't suppose you could admit there was a hole in your plot?
    jackofalltrades wrote:
    Why would Paris be like Belfast in the 1970's/80's/90's 365 days a year?

    don't understand why you're using the situation in Northern Ireland as some sort
    of benchmark.

    The Koran supposedly instructs followers to get beheadin the infidels. Theres 5 million muslims in France, yet incidents are quite few relatively. There seems to be a radical difference between some peoples theory and reality and no-one has been able to give a good explanation as to why.


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  • #5982
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,080 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Well that's all it is, bleating.

    I live in reality. I want peace from gimps like yourself.

    Well then leave the thread so. You certiantly don't seem have any interest in contributing to it.


  • #5983
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    conorhal wrote: »
    Well then leave the thread so. You certiantly don't seem have any interest in contributing to it.

    You arent the only person on this thread. Thankfully there are others on here saying things. I'll stay, thank you.

    As for contributing - you'll see possibly 50 posts from me on this thread. I think you've fallen into the trap of thinking you're the only person here. Plenty of people out there to discuss your complexes with you.


  • #5984
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,080 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    You arent the only person on this thread. Thankfully there are others on here saying things. I'll stay, thank you.

    As for contributing - you'll see possibly 50 posts from me on this thread. I think you've fallen into the trap of thinking you're the only person here. Plenty of people out there to discuss your complexes with you.

    Feel free to stick me on ignore so.


  • #5985
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Nodin wrote: »
    So "yeah but no but yeah".....

    I don't suppose you could admit there was a hole in your plot?



    The Koran supposedly instructs followers to get beheadin the infidels. Theres 5 million muslims in France, yet incidents are quite few relatively. There seems to be a radical difference between some peoples theory and reality and no-one has been able to give a good explanation as to why.

    the reason why its few incident,is because muslims live in ghettoes with their own laws,so called no go zones.
    This is where the most extreme islamists comes from.


  • #5986
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    conorhal wrote: »
    Feel free to stick me on ignore so.

    Na. I find it useful to observe the other end of the spectrum every now and then.


  • #5987
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    long range shooter wrote: »
    the reason why its few incident,is because muslims live in ghettoes with their own laws,so called no go zones.
    This is where the most extreme islamists comes from.

    Makes no sense. They supposedly are IS and Al Qaeda supporters amongst them who want to attack France. Considering the size of the muslim population in France, there should be a massive amount of neverending violence. Where is it?


  • #5988
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Nodin wrote: »
    Makes no sense. They supposedly are IS and Al Qaeda supporters amongst them who want to attack France. Considering the size of the muslim population in France, there should be a massive amount of neverending violence. Where is it?

    Why should there be neverending violence?The violence only erupts when you are trying to interfere with their way of life or religion.?
    It seems they are not interested in being integrated into society?


  • #5989
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    long range shooter wrote: »
    Why should there be neverending violence?The violence only erupts when you are trying to interfere with their way of life or religion.?
    It seems they are not interested in being integrated into society?

    Who? I have played GAA with pakistani Muslims. Which people are you referring to?


  • #5990
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Who? I have played GAA with pakistani Muslims. Which people are you referring to?

    really,is there any no go zones in Ireland too?


  • #5991
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭take everything


    All Baghdadi, the Caliph has a PhD in Islamic studies.

    I don't understand why people insist IS has nothing to do with religion.


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  • #5992
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    long range shooter wrote: »
    Why should there be neverending violence?The violence only erupts when you are trying to interfere with their way of life or religion.?
    It seems they are not interested in being integrated into society?


    Hang on a tic now - This is you from this thread -
    That more terror is on its way
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97792896&postcount=5740
    According to Al quiada,total confrontration begins in 2016.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97793384&postcount=5769
    Do you read my posts,i said earlier,,more terror is on its way.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97793623&postcount=5782

    One minute they're out to get us, next they stay in ghettoes.....which is it?


  • #5993
    Mardy Bum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Mardy Bum


    take everything wrote: »
    All Baghdadi, the Caliph has a PhD in Islamic studies.

    I don't understand why people insist IS has nothing to do with religion.

    I have not seen anyone who has said it has nothing at all to do with Islam.


  • #5994
    bajer101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭bajer101


    Mardy Bum wrote: »
    I have not seen anyone who has said it has nothing at all to do with Islam.

    Well, Obama for one.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d2977822-b85c-11e4-b6a5-00144feab7de.html#axzz3s384VXrk


  • #5995
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Nodin wrote: »
    Hang on a tic now - This is you from this thread -


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97792896&postcount=5740

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97793384&postcount=5769

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97793623&postcount=5782

    One minute they're out to get us, next they stay in ghettoes.....which is it?

    its very simple,so even you will understand it.

    Large population of muslims,ghettoes and no intergration in society.No go zones,Extremist groups can recruit new members without any interference.

    small mumbers of muslims,like in Ireland,no problem cause they are not many enough,easy to keep under surveilance.
    If Ireland had 10 times more,it could become a problem if extremist groups gets a free playground.

    And since refugees comes in large numbers,i am sure you see the outcome.


  • #5996
    Mardy Bum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Mardy Bum


    bajer101 wrote: »
    Well, Obama for one.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d2977822-b85c-11e4-b6a5-00144feab7de.html#axzz3s384VXrk

    Can you get me a quote from that article? Can't access it.


  • #5997
    price690
    Closed Accounts Posts: 664 ✭✭✭price690


    I suppose we will see everyone on facebook change their French flag for a Mali one tonight?

    No?


  • #5998
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    Orangebrigade wrote: »
    He was no threat to America or the UK and for that alone the war should not have happened. I don't know why we think our countries should remove Arab dictators when all I see is destruction after the event.

    I don't think the people in those countries are ready for democratic societies. They either aren't used to it or don't want it.

    yes, i would have to agree with you there…was just talking about saddam’s wmd…


  • #5999
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    They were following the roadmap set out in Project for a New American Century. And still are.

    true, but that’s a different issue in a way…i was just talking about saddam’s wmd…


  • #6000
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    long range shooter wrote: »
    its very simple,so even you will understand it.

    Large population of muslims,ghettoes and no intergration in society.No go zones,Extremist groups can recruit new members without any interference.

    small mumbers of muslims,like in Ireland,no problem cause they are not many enough,easy to keep under surveilance.
    If Ireland had 10 times more,it could become a problem if extremist groups gets a free playground.

    And since refugees comes in large numbers,i am sure you see the outcome.

    So you want the free movement of persons pillar of the EU removed (or at least amended). You want the UN to revamp their Human Rights legislation. I suspect constant surveillance of persons without any criminal records or leanings would require changes to privacy laws also and data protection. Anything else?


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  • #6001
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    seamus wrote: »
    Didn't watch the BBC thing, but it is surprisingly common to find "reformed" drug or alcohol abusers among the ranks of religious extremists.
    First thing they reach for with a woman terrorist. Where was it with the males?


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