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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #5762
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Nodin wrote: »
    Then where are the daily attacks? Why is the metro still running? Why hasn't CDG been shut down at least once? Why aren't there shootings and bombings being reported? Five million muslims remember.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/the-future-of-terrorism-what-al-qaida-really-wants-a-369448.html

    According to Al quiada,total confrontration begins in 2016.
    seems like we are at stage 6 now.
    Guess we just have to sit back and wait.


  • #5763
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    We are still on the conversation. Until you can make the distinction between Christian's interpretation of words and the Islamic interpretation of words, it will stay on topic. And as I've already said, I'm not having a go at Christianity.

    Christians interpret things wrong, Muslims interpret things wrong, I'v never denied that what I've said is what other way is it possible to interpret a line that says to behead anyone who worships a different religeon? What other ways can you read those words and get a different meaning. You keep going in circles with this but you're not getting anywhere, I'm not stating that theres a distinction between Christian and Islamic interpretation of words, Im stating that the words of the qu'ran, when taken literally, breed radicalism, empower evil men, and provide a tool for those evil men to recruit the young to strap explosive vests to themselves and then allow them to justify all these evil things they do as acts of god. But yeah come on and tell me how christians do the same.
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Good for you.

    I had many informative discussions back in the 80s with a Bengali Imam - can't say I was buying the whole 'interpretation' and 'context' hair splitting but then equally I didn't buy it from Rabbis or Pastors either.

    Hopefully it'll be somewhat enlightening to get a proper perspective of things.


  • #5764
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,212 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    ''Run ! don't play dead''

    BULL

    Those in that cafe had one exit, into a hail of gunfire, they dropped to the ground and kept still. Correct decision in my opinion.


  • #5765
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,508 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Anything happen today in relation to the attacks?


  • #5766
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    long range shooter wrote: »
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/the-future-of-terrorism-what-al-qaida-really-wants-a-369448.html

    According to Al quiada,total confrontration begins in 2016.
    seems like we are at stage 6 now.
    Guess we just have to sit back and wait.

    This is the group that's been blowing up things American since the 1990's or so.....that are now supposedly waiting until 2016.....very convincing.


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  • #5767
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Anything happen today in relation to the attacks?

    Confirmed this fecker is dead
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34867615


  • #5768
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Nodin wrote: »
    This is the group that's been blowing up things American since the 1990's or so.....that are now supposedly waiting until 2016.....very convincing.

    pardon me if I'm wrong but it seems to me that you're of the belief that there arent further attacks planned? do you think Daesh planned to attack Paris last friday night and then leave it at that?


  • #5769
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Depp wrote: »
    pardon me if I'm wrong but it seems to me that you're of the belief that there arent further attacks planned? do you think Daesh planned to attack Paris last friday night and then leave it at that?

    ....I'm sure they do. However given your reading of the Koran and Islam in general they should be able to command sufficient support to run a campaign on a far larger scale than that run by the RA in NI. This isn't happening - why?


  • #5770
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    long range shooter wrote: »
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/the-future-of-terrorism-what-al-qaida-really-wants-a-369448.html

    According to Al quiada,total confrontration begins in 2016.
    seems like we are at stage 6 now.
    Guess we just have to sit back and wait.

    Especially when they are being funded by the US, UK and France.


  • #5771
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Nodin wrote: »
    This is the group that's been blowing up things American since the 1990's or so.....that are now supposedly waiting until 2016.....very convincing.

    Like i said,lets just sit back and wait and see what happens.
    I am pretty sure you have an excuse if it happens anyway.
    good luck


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  • #5772
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    leavingirl wrote: »
    Especially when they are being funded by the US, UK and France.

    Ireland is funded by EU too


  • #5773
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....I'm sure they do. However given your reading of the Koran and Islam in general they should be able to command sufficient support to run a campaign on a far larger scale than that run by the RA in NI. This isn't happening - why?

    Daesh and the IRA are two completely different organizations, you're just latching onto the fact they are both terrorist groups, its almost as if you're saying ''yeah well the it was grand when the IRA did it so why can't they?'' Lets go back to the world without the quran hypothesis, do you think ISIS is as wide spread as it is in real life?


  • #5774
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    long range shooter wrote: »
    Like i said,lets just sit back and wait and see what happens.
    I am pretty sure you have an excuse if it happens anyway.
    good luck

    If what happens exactly? Be specific please.


  • #5775
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Nodin wrote: »
    If what happens exactly? Be specific please.[/QUOTE

    Do you read my posts,i said earlier,,more terror is on its way.


  • #5776
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,212 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    So all of the worlds Muslims are going to rise to take on the non believers in 2016.
    If only ISIS hadn't already alienated 99% of the worlds Muslims.


  • #5777
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Depp wrote: »
    Daesh and the IRA are two completely different organizations, you're just latching onto the fact they are both terrorist groups,

    That would be considered a pertinent point all right. Two groups with an ongoing agenda, both wanting to cause damage and chaos to further their aims.
    Depp wrote: »
    its almost as if you're saying ''yeah well the it was grand when the IRA did it so why can't they?'' Lets go back to the world without the quran hypothesis, do you think ISIS is as wide spread as it is in real life?

    No, I'm saying you have two populations - size given earlier - from which these groups operated/operate. One launched a long sustained campaign, with the occasional "spectacular". The other - based in a population from which, by your lights, they should be claiming significant support - can manage an odd "spectacular" on soft targets. There would seem to be a flaw in your equation.

    I've no idea what the bolded section means, I'm afraid.


  • #5778
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....I'm sure they do. However given your reading of the Koran and Islam in general they should be able to command sufficient support to run a campaign on a far larger scale than that run by the RA in NI. This isn't happening - why?

    also to indulge your IRA obsession, the IRA fought against colonial rule in Ireland am I right, and dont latch onto that I dont agree with their methods in the slightest, murder is murder at the end of the day, but do you think Daesh are just some sort of freedom force, if the middle east is pulled out of completely do you actually believe it all stops? If I'm wrong correct me 100% but tell me your thoughts on Daesh. Not what the IRA did.


  • #5779
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Depp wrote: »
    also to indulge your IRA obsession, the IRA fought against colonial rule in Ireland am I right, and dont latch onto that I dont agree with their methods in the slightest, murder is murder at the end of the day, but do you think Daesh are just some sort of freedom force, if the middle east is pulled out of completely do you actually believe it all stops? If I'm wrong correct me 100% but tell me your thoughts on Daesh. Not what the IRA did.


    Motivation is irrelevant. We're comparing two groups and methodology and asking why there is a difference between the level of violence generated.


  • #5780
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....I'm sure they do. However given your reading of the Koran and Islam in general they should be able to command sufficient support to run a campaign on a far larger scale than that run by the RA in NI. This isn't happening - why?

    You are aware they rule over like 10 million people and are fighting wars (and controlling territory) in at least three countries, right?


  • #5781
    bajer101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭bajer101


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    So all of the worlds Muslims are going to rise to take on the non believers in 2016.
    If only ISIS hadn't already alienated 99% of the worlds Muslims.

    They haven't alienated 99% of the world's Muslims. The problem is that they have support from a significant percentage of Muslims - especially young, male, western Muslims. But even if they had alienated 99% of of the world's Muslims, that still leaves 14,000,000 that we need to worry about.


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  • #5782
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    long range shooter wrote: »
    Nodin wrote: »
    If what happens exactly? Be specific please.[/QUOTE

    Do you read my posts,i said earlier,,more terror is on its way.


    Yep, that would be the vague nonsense I dismissed earlier. It's akin to saying "There will be rain".


  • #5783
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    So all of the worlds Muslims are going to rise to take on the non believers in 2016.
    If only ISIS hadn't already alienated 99% of the worlds Muslims.

    Will see when hatred starts to grow in Europe,and more right wings come to the stage.
    Seems like more and more goverments are going in that direction these days too.
    Then Muslims have to choose side.
    We all know what side thats gonna be.
    Its a good plan i have to admit.


  • #5784
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    You are aware they rule over like 10 million people and are fighting wars (and controlling territory) in at least three countries, right?
    We're discussing France specifically.


  • #5785
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Nodin wrote: »
    long range shooter wrote: »


    Yep, that would be the vague nonsense I dismissed earlier. It's akin to saying "There will be rain".

    yeah,lets see what happens,shall we


  • #5786
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    long range shooter wrote: »

    yeah,lets see what happens,shall we

    Yes, something might well happen. More so vague as to be useless and meaningless prophecies of doom I'd say.


  • #5787
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yes, something might well happen. More so vague as to be useless and meaningless prophecies of doom I'd say.

    i guess,and our planet is round too.not square..


  • #5788
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Nodin wrote: »
    We're discussing France specifically.

    Well, the question then becomes one of capabilities. The ability of intelligence services to gather information back in the 1970s was in no way comparable to the ability to gather intelligence today. IS may have significantly more resources than the IRA (which is funnelled into keeping their army in the field, it's not like that cost becomes irrelevant once you change the area you are talking about), but the European Intelligence Agency has infinitely more funding and better technology/experience than it had when the IRA was around.

    It's like comparing athletes a hundred years ago with the athletes of today. Even if the modern ones have higher physical ability, the requirements/competition is also higher.


  • #5789
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,212 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    long range shooter wrote: »
    Will see when hatred starts to grow in Europe,and more right wings come to the stage.
    Seems like more and more goverments are going in that direction these days too.
    Then Muslims have to choose side.
    We all know what side thats gonna be.
    Its a good plan i have to admit.


    You come across as a ISIS supporter. And you posted this the other day in another thread

    ''Hi
    just thinking of getting a ruger 10/22 target for some small game and possibly use it at the range.
    question is,are you allowed semi auto for competitions?or only single shot.
    thanks''

    WTF am I suppose to think ?


  • #5790
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Nodin wrote: »
    Motivation is irrelevant. We're comparing two groups and methodology and asking why there is a difference between the level of violence generated.

    No you're comparing them, I'm arguing that radical Islam stems from Islam, you're using shite about the IRA to distract from my point and trying to make it about something else which it isn't, do you deny the teachings of Islam leads to radical Islam? if so just come out and say it and explain why you believe that to be so, don't just spout on about what the IRA did and about what the Christians did and about what the KKK did. Whats your next step going through my previous posts on other forums to defame me? You could mention I post a lot on the MMA forum a lot so I must be obsessed with violence, that'd be a good one to use.


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  • #5791
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    You come across as a ISIS supporter. And you posted this the other day in another thread

    ''Hi
    just thinking of getting a ruger 10/22 target for some small game and possibly use it at the range.
    question is,are you allowed semi auto for competitions?or only single shot.
    thanks''

    WTF am I suppose to think ?

    its called sports shooting?wtf has that got to do with this?
    i have been doing that since i was 10 years old.
    talk about being ignorant?


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