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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #5702
    m@cc@
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    Depp wrote: »
    Indeed a horrible tragedy, but your argument makes no sense here, so you're saying the bibles views on contraception caused the the AIDS epidemic in Africa? True there is basis to it but its truly the definition of clutching at straws. The AIDS epidemic goes far far deeper than, ''the bible says no to jonnies''

    It does go much deeper but the flawed advice is a massive factor which has caused millions of death. All about interpretation of words.


  • #5703
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    And I am countering with the relationship between Christians and their faith. Keep up.

    You're not really though, you're unable to disprove the arguments I've made so you're pattering on with the same usual ''sure Christianity is just as bad'' apologist shite. Nowhere are you refuting or even attempting to refute what I'm saying, because you can't. Plus when did I say they should be Christians instead, then maybe listing the downfalls of Christianity would hold water but you're just spinning your wheels here.


  • #5704
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    captbarnacles wrote: »
    This is true. Islam needs a reformation where it is acknowledged that a prescriptive set of rules for life in the 7th Century isn't compatible with modern life. However, The Qu'ran is the unchangeable word of God so this won't be happening soon.

    Christianity needs a reformation where it is acknowledged that a prescriptive set of rules for life in the 1st Century isn't compatible with modern life.


  • #5705
    130Kph
    Closed Accounts Posts: 625 ✭✭✭130Kph


    Depp wrote: »
    Thats your opinion and you are entitled to it, care to clarify why you feel that way? I've given my reasoning for my viewpoint. And no my Knowledge of the qu'ran is because I've read the qu'ran, have you?, I dont know what stormfront is and the daily mail is absolute gutter journalism, hard as it is to believe that a 'sectarian maniac' would actually educate themselves on the matter

    The Koran contains much that is blood curdingly vile. However what a straight reading of this book doesn’t take into account is that the vast majority of Muslims worldwide (surprisingly) are ignorant of a lot of the bad stuff.

    For most of the rest (except of course, the jihadists & other primitive throwbacks in places like Pakistan & Saudi) they deal with the cognitive dissonance of immoral ideas in the Koran clashing with their own human decency by compartmentalising it and doing the same mental gymnastics that followers of ALL religions do (in religions based on ancient books of buffoonery).

    Btw, Iran –a sophisticated middling power- was taken over by these ‘madmen’ 36 years ago. The theocrats fooled the majority of Iranians into supporting the revolution though (against a US installed puppet) and reneged on a promise of democracy & plurality. They are hated by a majority of the population for most of the time since. So it’s a good case study of an Islamic take-over to examine there.

    When the big powers start treating Middle Eastern & Muslim majority countries as equals instead of neo-colonies, things should start to normalise.


  • #5706
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    Depp wrote: »
    You're not really though, you're unable to disprove the arguments I've made so you're pattering on with the same usual ''sure Christianity is just as bad'' apologist shite. Nowhere are you refuting or even attempting to refute what I'm saying, because you can't. Plus when did I say they should be Christians instead, then maybe listing the downfalls of Christianity would hold water but you're just spinning your wheels here.

    Doesn't ANYBODY have quotes from the Quran that shows the book in a good light.

    And on that theme, Where are all the Boards Muslims? Are there NONE among us? And if so, what does that say about this site or about Muslims.

    :confused:


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  • #5707
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    Do you blame Christianity for the KKK? Or the Crusades for that matter?

    You clearly don't. Now do you think religions in general can be responsible for anything?


  • #5708
    mynameis905
    Closed Accounts Posts: 754 ✭✭✭mynameis905


    Overheal wrote: »
    Christianity needs a reformation where it is acknowledged that a prescriptive set of rules for life in the 1st Century isn't compatible with modern life.

    Christianity has had a de facto reformation. Most people in Ireland identify as Catholic yet they use birth control, rarely go to mass, obtain divorces, support gay marriage etc. All diametrically opposed to traditional christian doctrine. Almost no one follows the bible literally besides a few fundamentalist christian groups.


  • #5709
    mynameis905
    Closed Accounts Posts: 754 ✭✭✭mynameis905


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    Doesn't ANYBODY have quotes from the Quran that shows the book in a good light.

    And on that theme, Where are all the Boards Muslims? Are there NONE among us? And if so, what does that say about this site or about Muslims.

    :confused:

    I imagine they prefer the relative safety of the Islam forum where any criticism or dissent gets moderated to within an inch of it's life after a few posts.


  • #5710
    Uncle Ben
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭Uncle Ben


    Glad to see those bastards killed in France yesterday. I hope it continues.


  • #5711
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Depp wrote: »
    Sorry my paragraph structure wasn't to your liking, didnt realise this was an english exam. Good thinking though lets attack this guys writing skills that way his point wont count!




    Apparently it is an English exam.

    Did you not see the memo?

    fed up sick and tired wrote: »
    Yes. You contradicted yourself, with your hopeless use of the English language.

    Perhaps you meant to say 'Not all men are rapists' rather than 'All men are not rapists', which is utterly different, is not a crime against English usage, and is not a non sequitur to whatever dull point you were trying to make.

    Your history degree failed you in the important pursuit of writing well. Oh dear.


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  • #5712
    Paramite Pie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Paramite Pie


    130Kph wrote: »
    Btw, Iran –a sophisticated middling power- was taken over by these ‘madmen’ 36 years ago. The theocrats fooled the majority of Iranians into supporting the revolution though (against a US installed puppet) and reneged on a promise of democracy & plurality. They are hated by a majority of the population for most of that time since. So it’s a good case study of an Islamic take-over to examine there.

    This is why I've always been concerned by the Western fear of Iran -- there's strong pro-democracy activism within that society especially among the youth. Yet if we were getting Iranian immigrants people would panic!!

    A democratic and stable Iran is the only hope for peace in the Middle East. But that would be a threat to "interests" in the region -- certain groups wouldn't allow that to happen.


  • #5713
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Overheal wrote: »
    Christianity needs a reformation where it is acknowledged that a prescriptive set of rules for life in the 1st Century isn't compatible with modern life.

    Look up the reformation and the 21 ecumenical councils of the catholic church, also the East-West schism but thats slightly different but still has relevance. anyway I'm not argueing that christianity is better than Islam.
    130Kph wrote: »
    The Koran contains much that is blood curdingly vile. However what a straight reading of this book doesn’t take into account is that the vast majority of Muslims worldwide (surprisingly) are ignorant of a lot of the bad stuff.

    For most of the rest (except of course, the jihadists & other primitive throwbacks in places like Pakistan & Saudi) they deal with the cognitive dissonance of immoral ideas in the Koran clashing with their own human decency by compartmentalising it and doing the same mental gymnastics that followers of ALL religious do (in religions based on ancient books of buffoonery).

    Btw, Iran –a sophisticated middling power- was taken over by these ‘madmen’ 36 years ago. The theocrats fooled the majority of Iranians into supporting the revolution though (against a US installed puppet) and reneged on a promise of democracy & plurality. They are hated by a majority of the population for most of that time since. So it’s a good case study of an Islamic take-over to examine there.

    When the big powers start treating Middle Eastern & Muslim majority countries as equals instead of neo-colonies, things should start to normalise.

    Very true, these account for the 80% estimates of moderate muslims and I don't claim these people don't exist, I'm saying the radicals are bred in mosques by being taught the blood curdlingly vile segments of the book. The whole situation in Iran is horrible but its an example of how it can happen and the damage it can do. True a lack of foreign intervention would contain it probably but what good is that to the people of these areas? By ignoring parts of the quran they could be liable to execution by the more pious could they not?
    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    Doesn't ANYBODY have quotes from the Quran that shows the book in a good light.

    And on that theme, Where are all the Boards Muslims? Are there NONE among us? And if so, what does that say about this site or about Muslims.

    :confused:

    Its a very confusing book, while a lot of peace and love is professed towards the early segments but many of these are then contradicted later on, unfortunately it is stated that the quran contains no contradictions and that the latter example is to be taken as cannon. This suggests that allah changed his mind, but suspiciously many of the contradictions occurred after the pedo muhammad had accrued power and a large following.

    Id love to sit down talk to a proper Muslim scholar about the whole thing get their insight into it tbh, My impression from the quran comes from reading it only im no expert. If I'm honest I'd like to debate it with one of the radical scholars too get an insight into there insanity but i dont think they work that way.


  • #5714
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    Doesn't ANYBODY have quotes from the Quran that shows the book in a good light.

    And on that theme, Where are all the Boards Muslims? Are there NONE among us? And if so, what does that say about this site or about Muslims.

    :confused:

    I am not exactly a fan of religion and certainly not of islam.
    But if i was a muslim, one thread i would stay away from is this one.
    So not really surprised.

    More or less the similar vulture mentality would be on show as last night when that guy from Israel appeared in this thread.
    Ok, a muslim would probably have more people jumping in to defend him. He would have that going for him i suppose.


  • #5715
    fed up sick and tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭fed up sick and tired


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Apparently it is an English exam.

    Did you not see the memo?

    Still hurting there, I see.

    Whatever. It was you who flaunted your history degree and your professional blah blah blah... yet you can't check a source.

    It was yourself who insisted that words have meanings, yet you persist in mangling words into nonsense. In which case, luckily for you it isn't a Logic exam.

    We'll call it a draw if it eases the hurt for you.


    .


  • #5716
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    Depp wrote: »
    Its a very confusing book, while a lot of peace and love is professed towards the early segments but many of these are then contradicted later on, unfortunately it is stated that the quran contains no contradictions and that the latter example is to be taken as cannon. This suggests that allah changed his mind, but suspiciously many of the contradictions occurred after the pedo muhammad had accrued power and a large following.

    Id love to sit down talk to a proper Muslim scholar about the whole thing get their insight into it tbh, My impression from the quran comes from reading it only im no expert. If I'm honest I'd like to debate it with one of the radical scholars too get an insight into there insanity but i dont think they work that way.

    Yes, this seems to be a big problem in bridging any divide - do they ever debate? I'd like to watch you and Bagdadi going at it on Vincent Brown.


  • #5717
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    inforfun wrote: »
    I am not exactly a fan of religion and certainly not of islam.
    But if i was a muslim, one thread i would stay away from is this one.
    So not really surprised.

    More or less the similar vulture mentality would be on show as last night when that guy from Israel appeared in this thread.
    Ok, a muslim would probably have more people jumping in to defend him. He would have that going for him i suppose.

    This thread is full of racists


  • #5718
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    Yes, this seems to be a big problem in bridging any divide - do they ever debate? I'd like to watch you and Bagdadi going at it on Vincent Brown.

    Nah its not something they do, They're right and if you disagree you die. Baghdadi wouldnt have the courage for that you cant debate with a madman


  • #5719
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    fed up sick and tired wrote: »
    Still hurting there, I see.

    Whatever. It was you who flaunted your history degree and your professional blah blah blah... yet you can't check a source.

    It was yourself who insisted that words have meanings, yet you persist in mangling words into nonsense. In which case, luckily for you it isn't a Logic exam.

    We'll call it a draw if it eases the hurt for you.


    .

    Not at all dear boy.

    Your persistence in resorting to taunts rather than make counter-arguments speaks volumes.


  • #5720
    kupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    Depp wrote: »
    Sorry my paragraph structure wasn't to your liking, didnt realise this was an english exam. Good thinking though lets attack this guys writing skills that way his point wont count!

    Welcome to the 4ds of liberal 101.

    Deny
    deflect
    distort
    defame

    Its all they can do, when confronted by arguments that tax their minds.


  • #5721
    m@cc@
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    Depp wrote: »
    You're not really though, you're unable to disprove the arguments I've made so you're pattering on with the same usual ''sure Christianity is just as bad'' apologist shite. Nowhere are you refuting or even attempting to refute what I'm saying, because you can't. Plus when did I say they should be Christians instead, then maybe listing the downfalls of Christianity would hold water but you're just spinning your wheels here.

    I'm not actually having a go at Christianity, quite the opposite. As I have written a couple of times now (you still seem to be missing it though) I am stating that the actions are based upon interpretation.

    What is a religion without people? It's just a book in a drawer. And even then, that book wouldn't exist without people


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  • #5722
    m@cc@
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    You clearly don't. Now do you think religions in general can be responsible for anything?

    Of course not . Religion isn't like a rock or the sea. It's created by people and executed by people.


  • #5723
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    Doesn't ANYBODY have quotes from the Quran that shows the book in a good light.

    And on that theme, Where are all the Boards Muslims? Are there NONE among us? And if so, what does that say about this site or about Muslims.

    :confused:

    Pose your question here, you may get some response....

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=571


  • #5724
    fed up sick and tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭fed up sick and tired


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Not at all dear boy.

    Your persistence in resorting to taunts rather than make counter-arguments speaks volumes.

    Sorry. If I could take you as seriously as you yourself do, I would.


  • #5725
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Depp wrote: »
    This thread is full of racists

    Is racist someone that has a different opinion then you maybe?
    careful what you wish for


  • #5726
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    I'm not actually having a go at Christianity, quite the opposite. As I have written a couple of times now (you still seem to be missing it though) I am stating that the actions are based upon interpretation.

    What is a religion without people? It's just a book in a drawer. And even then, that book wouldn't exist without people

    Well so far you've only been stating the problems with Christianity and ignoring Islam, which is the topic of discussion. Yes Christianity has many problems I agree now can we put that to bed? Yes interpretations come into it that can't be denied but what other way would you interpret such cracking lines as;''Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them;'' ''Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the qu'ran'' and ''The Jews and Christians are perverts, fight them.'' They've clearly misinterpreted these lines allah was joking! Indeed the book wouldn't exist without people, without one particular person in fact, an insane murdering pedophile who was hailed as a prophet.


  • #5727
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    long range shooter wrote: »
    Is racist someone that has a different opinion then you maybe?
    careful what you wish for

    I'm one of the racists apparently, tbh I think thats exactly what some people believe it is!


  • #5728
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Depp wrote: »
    I'm one of the racists apparently, tbh I think thats exactly what some people believe it is!

    thought so,R word is usually used by soneone who doesnt have a clue,or to afraid to face the truth.


  • #5729
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Depp wrote: »
    Well so far you've only been stating the problems with Christianity and ignoring Islam, which is the topic of discussion. Yes Christianity has many problems I agree now can we put that to bed? Yes interpretations come into it that can't be denied but what other way would you interpret such cracking lines as;''Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them;'' ''Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the qu'ran'' and ''The Jews and Christians are perverts, fight them.'' .


    We have some 40,000 plus muslims living mostly in Dublin. I'm not that far from a mosque and an area where a large number live. Yet I haven't been chased down the isle of a supermarket by a man trying to behead me, ever.


  • #5730
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    long range shooter wrote: »
    thought so,R word is usually used by soneone who doesnt have a clue,or to afraid to face the truth.


    The truth eh? Whats that, exactly?


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  • #5731
    fed up sick and tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭fed up sick and tired


    Nodin wrote: »
    We have some 40,000 plus muslims living mostly in Dublin. I'm not that far from a mosque and an area where a large number live. Yet I haven't been chased down the isle of a supermarket by a man trying to behead me, ever.

    It's almost enough to make me wish for an Open Borders policy.


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