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bajer101 · 19-11-2015 05:29PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

But without definitive evidence your guess is exactly that.....a guess! Using another countries polls to make claim is idiotic beyond belief.

Really? Using the 20% figure from our nearest neighbour as opposed to say, the 70+% from the likes of Nigeria is idiotic beyond belief? I would argue that when the available polling figures show support for suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified, show percentages between 17% and 72% depending on the country polled, believing that the Irish figure is only 0.002% is idiotic beyond belief.

volchitsa · 19-11-2015 05:29PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

^^^^^^^^Paragraphs by any chance???

Paragraphs? Are you joking? The poster didn't take time to breathe during that rant, never mind write paragraphs!

Depp · 19-11-2015 05:35PM

volchitsa wrote: »

Paragraphs? Are you joking? The poster didn't take time to breathe during that rant, never mind write paragraphs!

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

^^^^^^^^Paragraphs by any chance???

Sorry my paragraph structure wasn't to your liking, didnt realise this was an english exam. Good thinking though lets attack this guys writing skills that way his point wont count!

kunst nugget · 19-11-2015 05:38PM

Depp wrote: »

Sorry my paragraphs weren't to your liking, didnt realise this was an english exam. Good thinking though lets attack this guys writing skills that way his point wont count!

It's not an english exam but it's completely impenetrable as a block of text.

Iwasfrozen · 19-11-2015 05:39PM

Depp wrote: »

Sorry my paragraph structure wasn't to your liking, didnt realise this was an english exam. Good thinking though lets attack this guys writing skills that way his point wont count!

No one is going to read that post. Apology accepted though.

Magico Gonzalez · 19-11-2015 05:42PM

I just threw up in my mouth a little after getting dizzy reading that. Madness.

Congratulations, you aren't a racist.

You are a right wing sectarian maniac, but not a racist. So that's something.

I'd say your knowledge of Islamic texts is based on stormfront / Daily Mail articles.

testaccount123 · 19-11-2015 05:45PM

captbarnacles wrote: »

Thus by it's very nature Islam is in conflict with how modern secular democracies work. Thankfully, most Muslims do not aspire this standard.

By that logic they arent very good Muslims and ISIS are in fact more closely following true Islam.

Depp · 19-11-2015 05:48PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

I just threw up in my mouth a little after getting dizzy reading that. Madness.

Congratulations, you aren't a racist.

You are a right wing sectarian maniac, but not a racist. So that's something.

I'd say your knowledge of Islamic texts is based on stormfront / Daily Mail articles.

Thats your opinion and you are entitled to it, care to clarify why you feel that way? I've given my reasoning for my viewpoint. And no my Knowledge of the qu'ran is because I've read the qu'ran, have you?, I dont know what stormfront is and the daily mail is absolute gutter journalism, hard as it is to believe that a 'sectarian maniac' would actually educate themselves on the matter

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-11-2015 05:50PM

Depp wrote: »

Sorry my paragraph structure wasn't to your liking, didnt realise this was an english exam. Good thinking though lets attack this guys writing skills that way his point wont count!

There was no structure it was just a wall of words and that's why 99% of people will just skip past it, not because of what you wrote but because of the way you wrote it.

DubVelo · 19-11-2015 05:50PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

I just threw up in my mouth a little after getting dizzy reading that. Madness.

Congratulations, you aren't a racist.

You are a right wing sectarian maniac, but not a racist. So that's something.

I'd say your knowledge of Islamic texts is based on stormfront / Daily Mail articles.

Instead of name calling, refute what the poster has said.

captbarnacles · 19-11-2015 05:51PM

This is true. Islam needs a reformation where it is acknowledged that a prescriptive set of rules for life in the 7th Century isn't compatible with modern life. However, The Qu'ran is the unchangeable word of God so this won't be happening soon.

Depp · 19-11-2015 05:53PM

captbarnacles wrote: »

This is true. Islam needs a reformation where it is acknowledged that a prescriptive set of rules for life in the 7th Century isn't compatible with modern life. However, The Qu'ran is the unchangeable word of God so this won't be happening soon.

Finally some sense

DubVelo · 19-11-2015 05:53PM

captbarnacles wrote: »

This is true. Islam needs a reformation where it is acknowledged that a prescriptive set of rules for life in the 7th Century isn't compatible with modern life. However, The Qu'ran is the unchangeable word of God so this won't be happening soon.

Vaguely remember some interview on british tv where a moderate muslim guest was arguing for reform.
Result?
Death threats.

Depp · 19-11-2015 05:56PM

Depp wrote: »

Religion is the forefront of their motivations, I believe personally Islam and the qu'ran is a huge part of the problem and to say that the fact they're Muslims is irrelevant is a ridiculous viewpoint, this whole apologist ''Islam hasn't got anything to do with it'' argument is proper loony bin stuff, the qu'ran is a fatally flawed text and as long as its followed religiously by large numbers in its current form these groups will keep popping up, they'll keep growing huge followings, they'll keep brainwashing kids, and they'll keep killing those that stand in their way.

Its all tickedy boo when its third world countries engulfed in their madness and they kill a few here a few there, but what happens when a proper global superpower is taken over by these evil madmen, what happens then? And I'm not suggesting there will be headlines of 'Daesh Invade USA' or 'Daesh Invade the UK', I'm suggesting what if their tactics they brag about, taunt us with, work, that is political takeover once they infiltrate the populous, and vote in Islamic candidates into government, and then what do we do? This might seem ridiculous and I'm not saying it'll happen next year or the year after, but mark my words, if things continue the way they are, and the idiotic, 'ah we cant be racist they're only poor refugees' attitude keeps gaining traction,and the shengen agreement isn't completely rethought, this will become a reality, sharia law will be our day to day life. This is their stated aim and this is how they've stated they plan to do it.

True, not all refugees are crack Daesh soldiers in disguise, and they don't pose the danger of blowing up football stadiums, put they pose danger in a different manner, and this may seem silly to you now but they creep us all closer to the moment where the muslims are the majority. Sure they tell us 80% of muslims are ''moderate muslims'', if thats the case, whats the problem having a few more of them around, but if thats true then let me ask you this, if most muslims in the world are not radical, why do Daesh have the power they have in syria and iraq, muslim countries where the majority are supposedly so called 'moderate' muslims? why do they have such a wide spread following in Islamic communities around the world? Why do young men and women from Islamic communities around the world, some recent converts even, flock to syria in their droves, the word ''Jihad'' proudly stamped in their passports under reason for travel?

If you dont see Islam and the qu'ran in their current forms as HUMONGOUS problems you need to open your eyes, read the qu'ran, read the hateful message it gives, see whats being relayed to these people from early childhood as ''The unchanging word of GOD as revealed to Muhammad.'' Then argue that I'm wrong and Islam is not at fault at all here. You can mention the IRA and the crusades and the westboro baptist church and Anders Breivikand any use other apologist tactics all you wan't they have no relevance to the problem that is the Islamic organization Daesh and their quest for global domination, which is what this is the start of. Worrying amount of people refusing to speak out due to fear of being branded with the big ''R word,'' there are bigger things afoot to be afraid of.

This is my viewpoint and I don't apologize for nor hide from it. No doubt there are people that will demonize me as ''racist'' and ''islamaphobe'' for holding these views, and quite frankly I could care less, I am not a racist, Islam is not a race, its a fanatical ideology based around the flawed teachings of an evil, Illiterate, bearded Pedophile, and I am not Islamaphobic, a phobia is defined as an irrational fear, which fear of Islam is not, its completely rational to fear something that teaches to kill you for having a differing set of beliefs. This is my passionate plea to people to open their eyes to the unadulterated evil we are allowing, even encouraging, to creep into our society. Don't have me proven right.

what a racist bigot huh?

For anyone that had problems this should be a bit easier on the eye

uck51js9zml2yt · 19-11-2015 06:10PM

Depp wrote: »

Sorry my paragraph structure wasn't to your liking, didnt realise this was an english exam. Good thinking though lets attack this guys writing skills that way his point wont count!

You're point didn't count...I just didnt bother reading a wall of text!

Depp · 19-11-2015 06:12PM

Valerie Grumpy Variation wrote: »

You're point didn't count...I just didnt bother reading a wall of text!

Its been all paragraphed lovely for you now im sorry for making it so hard to read, and I'm the ignorant one huh?

Mesrine65 · 19-11-2015 06:14PM

Depp wrote: »

Religion is the forefront of their motivations, I believe personally Islam and the qu'ran is a huge part of the problem and to say that the fact they're Muslims is irrelevant is a ridiculous viewpoint, this whole apologist ''Islam hasn't got anything to do with it'' argument is proper loony bin stuff, the qu'ran is a fatally flawed text and as long as its followed religiously by large numbers in its current form these groups will keep popping up, they'll keep growing huge followings, they'll keep brainwashing kids, and they'll keep killing those that stand in their way.

Its all tickedy boo when its third world countries engulfed in their madness and they kill a few here a few there, but what happens when a proper global superpower is taken over by these evil madmen, what happens then? And I'm not suggesting there will be headlines of 'Daesh Invade USA' or 'Daesh Invade the UK', I'm suggesting what if their tactics they brag about, taunt us with, work, that is political takeover once they infiltrate the populous, and vote in Islamic candidates into government, and then what do we do? This might seem ridiculous and I'm not saying it'll happen next year or the year after, but mark my words, if things continue the way they are, and the idiotic, 'ah we cant be racist they're only poor refugees' attitude keeps gaining traction,and the shengen agreement isn't completely rethought, this will become a reality, sharia law will be our day to day life. This is their stated aim and this is how they've stated they plan to do it.

True, not all refugees are crack Daesh soldiers in disguise, and they don't pose the danger of blowing up football stadiums, put they pose danger in a different manner, and this may seem silly to you now but they creep us all closer to the moment where the muslims are the majority. Sure they tell us 80% of muslims are ''moderate muslims'', if thats the case, whats the problem having a few more of them around, but if thats true then let me ask you this, if most muslims in the world are not radical, why do Daesh have the power they have in syria and iraq, muslim countries where the majority are supposedly so called 'moderate' muslims? why do they have such a wide spread following in Islamic communities around the world? Why do young men and women from Islamic communities around the world, some recent converts even, flock to syria in their droves, the word ''Jihad'' proudly stamped in their passports under reason for travel?

If you dont see Islam and the qu'ran in their current forms as HUMONGOUS problems you need to open your eyes, read the qu'ran, read the hateful message it gives, see whats being relayed to these people from early childhood as ''The unchanging word of GOD as revealed to Muhammad.'' Then argue that I'm wrong and Islam is not at fault at all here. You can mention the IRA and the crusades and the westboro baptist church and Anders Breivikand any use other apologist tactics all you wan't they have no relevance to the problem that is the Islamic organization Daesh and their quest for global domination, which is what this is the start of. Worrying amount of people refusing to speak out due to fear of being branded with the big ''R word,'' there are bigger things afoot to be afraid of.

This is my viewpoint and I don't apologize for nor hide from it. No doubt there are people that will demonize me as ''racist'' and ''islamaphobe'' for holding these views, and quite frankly I could care less, I am not a racist, Islam is not a race, its a fanatical ideology based around the flawed teachings of an evil, Illiterate, bearded Pedophile, and I am not Islamaphobic, a phobia is defined as an irrational fear, which fear of Islam is not, its completely rational to fear something that teaches to kill you for having a differing set of beliefs. This is my passionate plea to people to open their eyes to the unadulterated evil we are allowing, even encouraging, to creep into our society. Don't have me proven right.

what a racist bigot huh?

Edit: Fixed for anyone who had difficulty before

Ah heeyer...

Whatever about the rascist, Islamaphobe thang, what you hating on beards for? :eek: :mad: :P

Depp · 19-11-2015 06:17PM

Mesrine65 wrote: »

Ah heeyer...

Whatever about the rascist, Islamaphobe thang, what you hating on beards for? :eek: :mad: :P

poor choice of words perhaps, not hating on beards atal have one meself!

m@cc@ · 19-11-2015 06:18PM

Depp wrote: »

Religion is the forefront of their motivations, I believe personally.....blah blah blah

Blaming the religion goes some way to absolving blame and is utter bollocks. People can put on a label on their terror to justify their atrocious acts. One mans 'Islam' is another man's 'weapons of mass destruction'.

jackofalltrades · 19-11-2015 06:29PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Support for all extremists exist in communities, that's how they exist. I'm not making excuses for them I'm pointing out the stupidity these threads always go down to when something like this happens. Has this one descended into the "NUKE EM" stage yet?

You just selectively highlighting what I said out of context to make a point.
And you're partially responsible for bringing down the tone of the discussion with phrases like "De Mooslimz" and "NUKE EM".

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

But without definitive evidence your guess is exactly that.....a guess! Using another countries polls to make claim is idiotic beyond belief.

Using a poll from a country with a similar culture is not idiotic.
There was a poll done in December 2006 on the attitudes of Irish Muslims.

It found 28pc of young Muslims aged between 16 and 26 believe violence for political ends is sometimes justified.
Almost one-in-five (19pc) said they "respect" al-Qa'ida terrorist leader Osama Bin Laden.

Depp · 19-11-2015 06:29PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

Blaming the religion goes some way to absolving blame and is utter bollocks. People can put on a label on their terror to justify their atrocious acts. One mans 'Islam' is another man's 'weapons of mass destruction'.

Thats absolutely true things can be labeled and counted off that way definitely, no doubt Daesh leadership if not anyone who supports them are evil subhumans, but have you read the teachings of the ''holy quran?''...they didn't pluck their beliefs off the ground, they've been thought since birth that what they are doing are included in a book they've been raised to believe is the direct word of god. Evil can and does flourish without the qu'ran, and without it they could indeed have grown into the same evil subhumans, but to say that being taught from a young age it is godly to kill non-believers doesnt contribute to the breeding of such evil is ''utter bollocks' as you so bluntly put it. Im not absolving any blame from these evil evil animals.

m@cc@ · 19-11-2015 06:34PM

Depp wrote: »

Thats absolutely true things can be labeled and counted off that way definitely, no doubt Daesh leadership are evil subhumans, but have you read the teachings of the ''holy quran?''...they didn't pluck their beliefs off the ground, they've been thought since birth that what they are doing are included in a book they've been raised to believe is the direct word of god. Evil can and does flourish without the qu'ran, and without it they could indeed have grown into the same evil subhumans, but to say that being taught from a young age it is godly to kill non-believers doesnt contribute to the breeding of such evil is ''utter bollocks' as you so bluntly put it. Im not absolving any blame from these evil evil animals.

Do you blame Christianity for the KKK? Or the Crusades for that matter?

mynameis905 · 19-11-2015 06:38PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

Do you blame Christianity for the KKK? Or the Crusades for that matter?

The last crusade was in the 1200s and the KKK has been declining since the 1920s. It went from 6 million members in 1924 to barely 30,000 by 1930.

Depp · 19-11-2015 06:39PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

Do you blame Christianity for the KKK? Or the Crusades for that matter?

KKK no their actions were race based they didn't persecute based on a mans faith but on the colour of his skin. Indeed they may have used their christian faith to justify some of their actions, but they did so on misinterpretations of the bible not on the explicitly laid out instructions contained therein. They would have flourished under any faith.

The crusades, yes the christian leadership was directly at fault but that was the middle ages, and I like to think society has progressed in the last thousand years.

m@cc@ · 19-11-2015 06:39PM

mynameis905 wrote: »

The last crusade was in the 1200s and the KKK has been declining since the 1920s. It went from 6 million members in 1924 to barely 30,000 by 1930.

I didn't realise I asked for irrelvant points. Have they updated the Bible since then as well?

bodhrandude · 19-11-2015 06:41PM

captbarnacles wrote: »

This is true. Islam needs a reformation where it is acknowledged that a prescriptive set of rules for life in the 7th Century isn't compatible with modern life. However, The Qu'ran is the unchangeable word of God so this won't be happening soon.

What we need is a spokesman like the Late Yasser Arafat was for the Palestinians, someone that spoke out against the worst atrocity's committed by the PLO Jihad terrorists and equally the Israeli's. But someone to address ISIS and Al Qaeda in the same way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Arafat

m@cc@ · 19-11-2015 06:43PM

Depp wrote: »

KKK no their actions were race based they didn't persecute based on a mans faith but on the colour of his skin. Indeed they may have used their christian faith to justify some of their actions, but they did so on misinterpretations of the bible not on the explicitly laid out instructions contained therein. They would have flourished under any faith.

The crusades, yes the christian leadership was directly at fault but that was the middle ages, and I like to think society has progressed in the last thousand years.

What about the killing of millions in Africa through flawed advice on contraception?

All this is due to interpretation of words in a book.

Depp · 19-11-2015 06:48PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

I didn't realise I asked for irrelvant points. Have they updated the Bible since then as well?

Yes. Several updates have been made since the crusades. Also why are you so against irrelevant points when it was you that brought up something that happened almost a thousand years ago? When the point I am attempting to make is the relationship between Daesh and their Islamic faith, not ''christians vs muslims''

m@cc@ · 19-11-2015 06:50PM

Depp wrote: »

Yes. Several updates have been made since the crusades. Also why are you so against irrelevant points when it was you that brought up something that happened almost a thousand years ago? When the point I am attempting to make is the relationship between Daesh and their Islamic faith, not ''christians vs muslims''

And I am countering with the relationship between Christians and their faith. Keep up.

Depp · 19-11-2015 06:51PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

What about the killing of millions in Africa through flawed advice on contraception?

All this is due to interpretation of words in a book.

Indeed a horrible tragedy, but your argument makes no sense here, so you're saying the bibles views on contraception caused the the AIDS epidemic in Africa? True there is basis to it but its truly the definition of clutching at straws. The AIDS epidemic goes far far deeper than, ''the bible says no to jonnies''

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