Legal Highs made illegal now 'effectively legal again' sez RTE

nxbyveromdwjpg · 18-11-2015 05:45PM

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Another thing nobody seems to think about is the mixing of this synthetic crap with the already bad so-called real cannabis on the street. If they mixed half of it with so-called real cannabis the dealers make a bigger profit again. The deaths and mental health problems of using synthetic cannabis or mixed with street cannabis is just going to cause more and more problems down the road for the health service.

The only way to deal with all of this is to legalise clean real cannabis and at least then you will know what strain of cannabis you are smoking and in the knowledge that it is clean of any crap, otherwise it's all downhill from here on out.

And yes, China makes all of the synthetic sh!te.

You are basically a test subject for the unknown effects using that stuff.

I'm all for legalising it but what you're saying doesn't happen.

People would know straight away that the stuff was rubbish, and wouldn't buy it again.

ScumLord · 18-11-2015 05:51PM

fleet_admiral wrote: »

Anyone here 30+ will know the great legal high of getting out of a chair too fast

Ya, it's even better if your high.

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Another thing nobody seems to think about is the mixing of this synthetic crap with the already bad so-called real cannabis on the street.

Bad, so called weed on the street is typically no worse than good quality weed, it's just a bit of plant with less of the drug in it. Typically it's hard to mix synthetic cannabis substitute with weed because weed comes in a bud. If it's not in a bud don't buy it, simples.

The only way to deal with all of this is to legalise clean real cannabis and at least then you will know what strain of cannabis you are smoking and in the knowledge that it is clean of any crap, otherwise it's all downhill from here on out.

The only way to guarantee it's "clean" is to process all the plant material out. Cannabis is a plant, you can't guarantee that one batch will be exactly the same as the last plant, even if it's a clone.

Bongalongherb · 18-11-2015 05:51PM

Well, for anyone smoking that synthetic muck, good luck with the laboratory experiment testing of yourselves, brain damage more than likely.

Lights On · 18-11-2015 05:58PM

Great documentary on the stuff here.

Bongalongherb · 18-11-2015 06:00PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Ya, it's even better if your high.

Bad, so called weed on the street is typically no worse than good quality weed, it's just a bit of plant with less of the drug in it. Typically it's hard to mix synthetic cannabis substitute with weed because weed comes in a bud. If it's not in a bud don't buy it, simples.

The only way to guarantee it's "clean" is to process all the plant material out. Cannabis is a plant, you can't guarantee that one batch will be exactly the same as the last plant, even if it's a clone.

I don't think you understand. You say 'so called weed on the street is typically no worse than good quality weed, it's just a bit of plant with less of the drug in it'.

Wrong. Naturally grown cannabis doesn't have sprayed glass and other crap sprayed onto it. Big difference. Also you can mix the synthetic cannabis with real cannabis because real cannabis is sometimes sold crushed and it would be easily mixed with it, they are not always sold in bud, usually a grinder is used.

ScumLord · 18-11-2015 06:03PM

Bongalongherb wrote: »

I don't think you understand. You say 'so called weed on the street is typically no worse than good quality weed, it's just a bit of plant with less of the drug in it'.

Wrong. Naturally grown cannabis doesn't have sprayed glass and other crap sprayed onto it. Big difference. Also you can mix the synthetic cannabis with real cannabis because real cannabis is sometimes sold crushed and it would be easily mixed with it, they are not always sold in bud, usually a grinder is used.

Don't buy it. If there's glass in your weed it's easy enough to spot, if the weed isn't in a bud don't take it. The reason drug quality is so poor in Ireland is because Irish people seem to accept any old shyte they get handed.

suicide_circus · 18-11-2015 06:11PM

In fairness now, the replacement smoke was pure bollox, the other stuff had its moments it has to be said.

Bongalongherb · 18-11-2015 06:17PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Don't buy it. If there's glass in your weed it's easy enough to spot, if the weed isn't in a bud don't take it. The reason drug quality is so poor in Ireland is because Irish people seem to accept any old shyte they get handed.

Myself personally I don't use street or synthetic drugs so it won't affect me, I'm just saying that anyone taking that crap is taking a chance with either smoking or ingesting unknown laboratory chemicals.

ScumLord · 18-11-2015 06:26PM

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Myself personally I don't use street or synthetic drugs so it won't affect me, I'm just saying that anyone taking that crap is taking a chance with either smoking or ingesting unknown laboratory chemicals.

Agreed, I know someone who had horrible mental problems after using it. Took well over a year for them to recover and they're still not right. I only tried it two or three times when it was in the headshops and it was nasty stuff, it wouldn't tempt me at all now.

LDN_Irish · 18-11-2015 06:27PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Don't buy it. If there's glass in your weed it's easy enough to spot, if the weed isn't in a bud don't take it. The reason drug quality is so poor in Ireland is because Irish people seem to accept any old shyte they get handed.

I haven't seen sprayed weed since around 2010. The **** is unmistakable. Most of the weed I've seen in the last couple of years has been of very high quality. The occasional bit that's not great but it's definitely not mixed with XXX or Spice (or whatever the flup) or sprayed with glass. You'd spot that a mile off.

LDN_Irish · 18-11-2015 06:32PM

I'm pro legalisation but the head shops pretty much represent the absolute worst of all world's.

Shiny packaging to appeal to the young. Check.
Unidentified powder that you're not sure the effects of. Check.
Some dopey scrote only concerned with money half telling you that the stuff is the strongest stuff you'll ever take. Half lying about how the comedown isn't bad. Half winking at you while telling you it's not for humans to take*. Check.

* 3 halves you say? Tells you all you need to know about head shops.

Yakkyda · 18-11-2015 06:56PM

Agreed with not seeing that sprayed glass **** in years, weed dealers tend to get high off their own supply and the majority of the lads I know simply refused to buy or supply it, so it died out pretty sharpish. One or two kept it up but the customers drifted away in the end.

All that head shop crap is nasty as ****, if you wanna snort, do some coke. Wanna do a pill, do an e. Most recreational drug users buy from generally trusted sources(friends and people in their social circles) those people in general won't be selling ****e or dangerous substitute fobbed off as the real deal. It's bad for business and could potentially lead back to them if someone takes I'll. The vast majority don't want that sh:t. True their's some right scummy dealers around, but I'd reckon the majority of the low level dealing is friends procuring for friends type thing.

Head shops will sell any aul ****e, and it is muck. Bzp/methredrone etc all are dodgy and potential long effects are unknown atm.at least with mdma/e there's 25+ yrs of evidence, it's a pretty safe drug in moderation, research crap who knows?

Bongalongherb · 18-11-2015 06:56PM

Grow your own clean cannabis for your own personal use and it could be prison or a big fine or both.

Get caught with this dangerous synthetic drug and you are let go scot-free no charges. Something really fcuked up with that.

ScumLord · 18-11-2015 07:03PM

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Grow your own clean cannabis for your own personal use and it could be prison or a big fine or both.

Even if the government just let it be known that they wouldn't prosecute for up to four plants, it would be a serious financial blow to drug gangs. A hell of a lot of regular cannabis users wouldn't go near a dealer if they felt safe growing their own.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 18-11-2015 07:12PM

ScumLord wrote: »

A hell of a lot of regular cannabis users wouldn't go near a dealer if they felt safe growing their own.

And another lot couldn't be arsed and would rather just pay someone else with more experience in matters of horticulture to grow it.

Just legalise it, or decriminalise at least if that's all that's palatable, but do it in full and be done with this nonsense. That'd be my vote.

RDM_83 again · 18-11-2015 08:43PM

Harold Vast Landscape wrote: »

And another lot couldn't be arsed and would rather just pay someone else with more experience in matters of horticulture to grow it.

Just legalise it, or decriminalise at least if that's all that's palatable, but do it in full and be done with this nonsense. That'd be my vote.

Was the headshop trade mainly synthetic smoke though?I thought the big business (at least in my social group) was in the various uppers.

Rezident · 18-11-2015 09:56PM

The Honey Monster wrote: »

Legal highs are muck anyways.

Not true, a lot of them are rubbish but the good ones are excellent. They are a synthetic of the real thing and activate the exact same receptors. Feels almost exactly the same. Very impressive really.

Arbiter of Good Taste · 18-11-2015 10:09PM

When a head shop opened up near where I lived at the time, incidents of random assaults in the area went up. But I'm sure that's purely coincidental :rolleyes:

brianregan09 · 18-11-2015 10:30PM

and while you're at it save you're the lungs the trouble and make cannibis butter out of you're weed almost an E like high off it once you make it into brownies or whatever else you can out of butter unreal

That spice and XXX stuff was make pure smelly taste off it and didn't really do much for ya

harry Bailey esq · 18-11-2015 10:51PM

nokia69 wrote: »

they were better than the illegal highs back in the day

Youve obviously never had a speckled dove back in the day....

lawlolawl · 18-11-2015 10:53PM

Let's all go get a hape of bangers and go cracked for days lads.

Zascar · 18-11-2015 10:56PM

I wish you could still get Methedrone. Not the crappy headshop shyte - but the real 99% pure - that was great stuff.

pablo128 · 18-11-2015 11:01PM

Of course they used to flog mushies too..... the Red Bull air races down at the Rock of Cashel looked particularly vibrant that day!

PopePalpatine · 18-11-2015 11:01PM

BMJD wrote: »

I'd say Joe Duffy had a tug watching that.

How bad does it make you feeeeeeeeeeeeeeel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9oiO6RVKrU

harry Bailey esq · 18-11-2015 11:02PM

Bongalongherb wrote: »

I don't think you understand. You say 'so called weed on the street is typically no worse than good quality weed, it's just a bit of plant with less of the drug in it'.

Wrong. Naturally grown cannabis doesn't have sprayed glass and other crap sprayed onto it. Big difference. Also you can mix the synthetic cannabis with real cannabis because real cannabis is sometimes sold crushed and it would be easily mixed with it, they are not always sold in bud, usually a grinder is used.

I haven't come across sprayed weed in years.If someone tried to proffer me ground weed I'd politely tell them to touch on,and try a different career path.That spice stuff got you high as a kite,but not in a good way.

Hammer89 · 18-11-2015 11:50PM

I smoked a bit of synthetic weed in Canada, where you can pick it up in Korean-owned newsagents. I stumbled on a weed paraphernalia shop, where the woman who works there was a female equivalent of Bill or Ted basically.

Being abroad is interesting. There's less barriers for some reason. You'd happily do and say certain things that you wouldn't say back here in Ireland. I asked her where I'd pick up weed, hoping she'd bring me into the back and open a briefcase full of the stuff for me. She didn't. But she did point me to a newsagent a few blocks down and said I'd pick up the legal stuff in there. And I did. It was called Kush and came in a little packet. "This is great," I thought to myself, proud as punch with my investment. I went to a nearby Subway, sat out of sight from the counter and rolled up a one-skinner - I think the kids call them pinners, or they did when I was young. Again, something I just wouldn't do in Dublin. Eventually, I made my way to a local park (it was night time, don't get nuts) and smoked it on a little bench.The results were....interesting.

At first were the giggles. Pretty par for the course, right? Wrong. I've had fits of the giggles with hash before, but this was OTT. Everything was funny. Some woman's dog ran up to me out of nowhere, a dark dog, which frightened the piss out of me. She duly apologised for her dog's behaviour and I instantly responded "don't sweat it." I found this particularly funny, to the point where it was very hard to stop laughing, because it's something I never said before. Then I realised I was having a full-blown conversation with myself, out loud, which I also found hilarious. Bear in mind I'm completely on my own here. No mates. No nothing. Just some weirdo on a park bench laughing like Shredder or somebody.

Things turned quite dark after that. It's like your rationality is slowly but surely being wrestled away from you by this demonic bit of fake weed - and you're powerless to do anything. You just have to ride it out and hope you don't end up murdering that woman and shagging her dog. Thankfully that didn't happen, but I do remember acting in a way which would suggest that I had done something terrible. I can only imagine how shady I looked. Then my heart started to beat very, very fast. At least that's what it seemed like, but in the moment, you're convinced that death is imminent.

Now this is where you need a bit of rational thought but, as I said, mine had scarpered about 10 minutes ago. It went hitchhiking. "I can't be dealing with him tonight." Then I had an argument with myself, in my head, but it felt as if two different parts of my mind were at war. That was also worrying because I had enough rationality to think "what the f*ck is actually going on here?". It was so vivid, but eventually I got back to where I was staying and slept it off. I started doing a bit of research on what I had smoked the following the morning and turns out it's f*cking lethal, in a bad way. I brought the pack home with me - which was easy, literally just put it into the pocket of a pair of jeans in my suitcase, and if confronted I'd of just played dumb - but haven't touched it since. I'm saving it for a rainy day - a very, very rainy day.

questionmark? · 19-11-2015 12:28AM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

fish eye vision, rooted to the couch for hours that seemd like days, ended up doing the Thriller dance in the ambulance... all on a legal high

So your saying they provide a great buzz so......

Vinculus · 19-11-2015 09:10AM

Every time I hear of head shops, I think of this.

sbsquarepants · 19-11-2015 11:33AM

Zascar wrote: »

I wish you could still get Methedrone. Not the crappy headshop shyte - but the real 99% pure - that was great stuff.

Meph kicked ass.
I'd put it right up there with mdma to be honest.

bigpink · 19-11-2015 12:23PM

How are they legal again?

Legal Highs made illegal now 'effectively legal again' sez RTE

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