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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #5312
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    screamer wrote: »
    doesn't look over on the tv the police are going into a big church now

    Church? Shouldn't that be Mosque?

    Edit: Oh yes, Church on Sky news now.


  • #5313
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Depp wrote: »
    great contribution to the discussion there

    Sorry, should I just confine it to talking clichés? Yeah, we could fight fire with fire but if we take an eye for an eye then a bird in the hand will be worth two in the bush. Look before you leap, France!


  • #5314
    Kerrydude1981
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,192 ✭✭✭✭Kerrydude1981


    kleefarr wrote: »
    Church? Shouldn't that be Mosque?

    Edit: Oh yes, Church on Sky news now.

    Just seen that as well now


  • #5315
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    inforfun wrote: »
    The thing is that the people we pay for that policing, aren't doing a great job.

    Too busy trying to catch petty drug users.
    But that's another discussion altogether.


  • #5316
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,080 ✭✭✭conorhal


    inforfun wrote: »
    Mwah.

    Everybody can learn a lot from the Belgians as it comes to **** things up, including an entire country.

    One of the biggest arse holes culprits... a certain Guy Verhofstadt.
    Yep, that one. Not able to keep a government alive several times in a ****ty little country and now one of the most powerful people in the EU.

    So the Belgians, like the Irish, love to reward failure. *Cough*KevinCardiff*cough*PhilHogan*Cough*

    The EU is rapidly becoming the epitome of 'The Peter Principle', cluttered with national failures sent off the Brussels to 'eff things up out of sight.


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  • #5317
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    If he is supplying false documents as the article states he is why hasn't he been arrested?

    If the evidence is there - arrest him. Charge him. Try him.

    If other jurisdictions have evidence why are they not seeking to extradite him?

    France wants to extradite Bailey ffs.


    Yeah, I don't get why he can't be arrested for aiding and abetting terrorism. SURELY with our history, someone's passed a law they can nail him on? O.o


  • #5318
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,442 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Kerrydude1981 wrote: »
    Government spokesman on France 24 just now confirmed its over and the area is being secured,

    Apparently a police dog was killed. One instance of a tragic loss of life in this operation. The only instance.


  • #5319
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    Bloke on Sky news said he was asked to help and decided he would take in and help two people he didn't know and is surprised that they have turned out to be terrorists.


  • #5320
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,804 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    screamer wrote: »
    No if we all believed in THEIR God then they wouldn't be trying to kill people.

    So their God is not your God?

    How can one say that the God of their religion exists but another major religion is totally wrong.

    I'm just glad I don't believe in any.


  • #5321
    Kerrydude1981
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,192 ✭✭✭✭Kerrydude1981


    Jayus the police lads are really laying into that church door


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  • #5322
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    murpho999 wrote: »
    I'm just glad I don't believe in any.

    Same here. Nothing but trouble and logically does not make any sense at all.
    I do believe that there was a man called Jesus of Nazareth, but he was not the son of any God.


  • #5323
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Kerrydude1981 wrote: »
    Jayus the police lads are really laying into that church door

    Christians being brutalised by the state!

    I take it the truck bomb in Hanover was total fiction?


  • #5324
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Can't find anything yet on the church siege - anyone watching Sky that knows what they're up to?


  • #5325
    Kerrydude1981
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,192 ✭✭✭✭Kerrydude1981


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Christians being brutalised by the state!

    Some chippy is going to be happy anyway


  • #5326
    Kerrydude1981
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,192 ✭✭✭✭Kerrydude1981


    Samaris wrote: »
    Can't find anything yet on the church siege - anyone watching Sky that knows what they're up to?

    They were taking about it there,they haven't a clue what it was about


  • #5327
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Yeah, just found a rolling update on it, it's still all unclear.

    Sheesh, poor people of Paris, honestly. Talk about a week of living on one's nerves. Anyone living near this morning's operation (and they're currently basically sealed into the area; warnings not to leave their homes, stay away from windows, all transport in and out banned) must have been terrified. It went on from about 5.30 to 11.30 UK time with something like seven explosions and heavy shooting.


  • #5328
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,552 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    kleefarr wrote: »
    Bloke on Sky news said he was asked to help and decided he would take in and help two people he didn't know and is surprised that they have turned out to be terrorists.

    He should be sent to prison for 50 years for being an idiot.


  • #5329
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    He should be sent to prison for 50 years for being an idiot.

    Bollocks to that. Reckon everyone that gave the #porteouvert should be put in prison too on the offchance that they sheltered a terrorist rather than an ordinary scared person?


    Seriously, there's common sense and then there's over-reaction.


  • #5330
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,552 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Samaris wrote: »
    Bollocks to that. Reckon everyone that gave the #porteouvert should be put in prison too on the offchance that they sheltered a terrorist rather than an ordinary scared person?


    Seriously, there's common sense and then there's over-reaction.

    So some chap told him to take in 2 randomers he doesn't know at a time when the country is officially "at war" and he doesn't think it could be suspicious, yes that makes sense.


  • #5331
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    So some chap told him to take in 2 randomers he doesn't know at a time when the country is officially "at war" and he doesn't think it could be suspicious, yes that makes sense.

    #porte ouvert


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  • #5332
    colossus-x
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭colossus-x


    kleefarr wrote: »
    Bloke on Sky news said he was asked to help and decided he would take in and help two people he didn't know and is surprised that they have turned out to be terrorists.

    I heard now that he let a flat he owned to these people rather than allowing them to stay in his own home which was the the impression I got initally.


  • #5333
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    OK, in fairness, I don't know the full details of the bloke helping out these two people. Maybe there's a perfectly good reason it sounded like a good idea at the time, maybe he was just a good Samaritan and it turned out that they were terrorists, maybe a friend said "hey, look, I've got two friends here who've lost their place due to the attacks (for x,y,z reason), can you help them out for a few days"?

    Or, y'know, maybe he's a terrorist sympathiser. Who knows?

    Calling for a blanket life prison sentence for potentially just trying to help someone is a bit over-reacting though!


  • #5334
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    He should be sent to prison for 50 years for being an idiot.

    That is the other problem. The expense involved in that if applied to all persons caught is going to be exorbitant.


  • #5335
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Samaris wrote: »
    OK, in fairness, I don't know the full details of the bloke helping out these two people. Maybe there's a perfectly good reason it sounded like a good idea at the time, maybe he was just a good Samaritan and it turned out that they were terrorists, maybe a friend said "hey, look, I've got two friends here who've lost their place due to the attacks (for x,y,z reason), can you help them out for a few days"?

    Or, y'know, maybe he's a terrorist sympathiser. Who knows?

    Calling for a blanket life prison sentence for potentially just trying to help someone is a bit over-reacting though!

    The guy could be a few sandwiches short of a picnic but he's after helping to fan the flames and now we have to fight fire with fire from here to Timbuktu for crying out load. He mightn't be the big kahuna but he's definitely a fly in the ointment and an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of the cure.


    I'm kind of running out of clichés now…


  • #5336
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    kleefarr wrote: »
    That is the other problem. The expense involved in that if applied to all persons caught is going to be exorbitant.

    Better off just shooting them all. Get it over and done with…


  • #5337
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    The guy could be a few sandwiches short of a picnic but he's after helping to fan the flames and now we have to fight fire with fire from here to Timbuktu for crying out load. He mightn't be the big kahuna but he's definitely a fly in the ointment and an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of the cure.


    I'm kind of running out of clichés now…


    ..please stop O.O


  • #5338
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    kleefarr wrote: »
    Too busy trying to catch petty drug users.
    But that's another discussion altogether.

    Well, you know what.....

    One of those petty drugs arrests in Holland, in february, was a certain Salah Abdeslam.....


  • #5339
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    Samaris wrote: »
    OK, in fairness, I don't know the full details of the bloke helping out these two people. Maybe there's a perfectly good reason it sounded like a good idea at the time, maybe he was just a good Samaritan and it turned out that they were terrorists, maybe a friend said "hey, look, I've got two friends here who've lost their place due to the attacks (for x,y,z reason), can you help them out for a few days"?

    Or, y'know, maybe he's a terrorist sympathiser. Who knows?

    Calling for a blanket life prison sentence for potentially just trying to help someone is a bit over-reacting though!

    Would you not err on the side of caution if something like that was asked of you in the current climate where you are living?
    May be he didn't think there would be any risk.
    Not the way I would be thinking in that particular situation, especially if I had no idea whatsoever who they were.


  • #5340
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    inforfun wrote: »
    Well, you know what.....

    One of those petty drugs arrests in Holland, in february, was a certain Salah Abdeslam.....

    Another reason to legalise and take the power away from people like him.


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  • #5341
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Better off just shooting them all. Get it over and done with…

    Or send them to Islamic State so they can fully participate in supporting their chosen cause. Let them take care of them.


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