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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #4982
    ihatemyfish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭ihatemyfish


    wes wrote: »
    How do you figure that exactly, seeing as the terrorists were born in Europe.

    They were all of recent immigrant stock.


  • #4983
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Stinicker wrote: »
    I also have done so and I understand the Quran perfectly well, it instructs its believers to assimilate and stay peaceful when in the minority and when weak but as they grow in numbers it instructs them to seek power and to convert or kill the infidel, all the nonsense we hear about peace and tolerance is in the earlier sections which are completely overridden by the hatred. The Prophet Mohammed was a murderous Pedophile, who converted people to Islam by force.

    Islam is the single greatest threat to the world today with almost 2 billion adherents and an estimated 15% (300million) extremists who share the exact same stone age viewpoint as Islamic State.

    The Holy Bible is a totally different thing and where the Bible would get a PG rating at best, the Quran is Rated R-18 in my rating. If I decided to write a book with the same level of hatred and racism as the Quran today I would find myself facing charges for Racial and Religious hatred and incitement yet we allow the Quran and Islam to be preached openly without question.

    I assume you are not including the Old Testament in your PG rated 'Holy' Bible or you read a very different version to the one I did.


  • #4984
    DarkyHughes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭DarkyHughes


    What's with all the French tricolors all over the place? On people's profile pic on facebook now I love France as much as anyone it's were we got the inspiration from our own Republican liberation movement in the 1790's & I think it was the last country to join a military alliance with us & gave us our own tricolor. But terror attacks happen all over the Middle East (some carried out by French bombers in Syria) & Africa & other parts of Asia every week were 100's die & they aren't even acknowledged. Just shows the hypocrisy of the West. kill, torture & terrorize as many Africans, Asians & South Americans as you like just don't touch the West.


  • #4985
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,099 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    MadsL wrote: »
    Perhaps you could quote the relevant sura as you are so well versed?

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm


  • #4986
    MPFGLB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    wes wrote: »
    No that attack was by Al Qaeda and not ISIS.

    ISIS exist due to the Iraq war and stated US policy of drawing extremists there. You have failed to address my reasoning in anyway and have instead engaged in a complete straw man. My point is really rather clear, the Iraq war led to the creation of ISIS, and I stated my reasoning. You chose to ignore this, as reality doesn't suit you.

    The ridiculous view that ISIS are an American invention is both incorrect but offers every excuse these manics hold on to to justify their actions. The history path through the middle east is complex but to say without the Americans there would be no ISIS is deluded and puts no responsibility on the shoulders of all who excuse, support and even ignore ISIS

    The long running sectarian violence in ME , clamped down by dictators is every bit and more responsible for ISIS. As are Muslim zealots who preached hatred. The lack of leadership among ME politicians or a will to find solutions are also up there. There are many sources that point to ISIS growth including the internet.

    A simplistic view says its all down to US/UK. These simplistic views sprouted by ignorant left wing keyboard warriors who make the situation worse is one of the continued frustrations of this debate

    And I marched against the Iraq war and believe Russia should never have invaded Afghanistan but I chose to put the blame for ISIS where it belongs with ISIS

    In world politics ME countries are like teenagers on the world stage of self determination and proactive leadership.....these one dimentional apologist views keep them there


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  • #4987
    DarkyHughes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭DarkyHughes


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I assume you are not including the Old Testament in your PG rated 'Holy' Bible or you read a very different version to the one I did.

    Guess who said this quote. (anyone without google)
    Our religion teaches us to be intelligent. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone lays a hand on you, send him to the cemetery. That's a good religion.


  • #4988
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Stinicker wrote: »
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

    Could you find us a source that isn't quite so biased.

    You know - one that doesn't claim calls to violence in the OT need to be taken in context but not ones in the Quran because its 'different'.

    Both books want unbelievers killed for the same God (ironically).


  • #4989
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    Guess who said this quote. (anyone without google)

    I actually know the answer to this.
    No guessing required - I read the book.


  • #4990
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Stinicker wrote: »
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

    Perhaps you should google "irjaf" and not get your contexts from hate sites.


  • #4991
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    What fecking open door policies??

    Seriously - do some research. There is no open door. There has never been an open door into Europe for Non-Europeans ever mind one of my devising. Even fricking Americans can't stroll in.

    You do want what Daesh want. You are doing what Daesh want and you can't even see it.

    Do Daesh have a strong opinion on open or closed borders?


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  • #4992
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,345 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    DarkyHughes wrote: »
    What's with all the French tricolors all over the place? On people's profile pic on facebook now I love France as much as anyone it's were we got the inspiration from our own Republican liberation movement in the 1790's & I think it was the last country to join a military alliance with us & gave us our own tricolor. But terror attacks happen all over the Middle East (some carried out by French bombers in Syria) & Africa & other parts of Asia every week were 100's die & they aren't even acknowledged. Just shows the hypocrisy of the West. kill, torture & terrorize as many Africans, Asians & South Americans as you like just don't touch the West.

    I think you’ll find that’s human nature rather that Western hypocrisy but feel free to continue the self flagellation.


  • #4993
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,099 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Could you find us a source that isn't quite so biased.

    You know - one that doesn't claim calls to violence in the OT need to be taken in context but not ones in the Quran because its 'different'.

    Both books want unbelievers killed for the same God (ironically).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUY



    I suggest you read up on Taqiya and its implications.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya


  • #4994
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Stinicker wrote: »
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

    Bloody hell, that's like something Stormfront would just love. Or possibly make themselves.


  • #4995
    ihatemyfish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭ihatemyfish


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    What fecking open door policies??

    Seriously - do some research. There is no open door. There has never been an open door into Europe for Non-Europeans ever mind one of my devising. Even fricking Americans can't stroll in.

    You do want what Daesh want. You are doing what Daesh want and you can't even see it.

    What open door policies? Are you living under a rock and unaware of the illegal immigration crisis in Europe?

    Yes, let in millions more people from North Africa and the Middle East or you're doing what Daesh want! It's letting them migrate here in the first place, in such large numbers , that has us in this unholy mess. If we had more stringent immigration policies over the past few decades they wouldn't be here! We wouldn't be worrying about Daesh.

    Your open borders beliefs are putting Europeans life's at risk and indirectly responsible for the attack on Friday.


  • #4996
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    ihatemyfish wrote: »
    What open door policies? Are you living under a rock and unaware of the illegal immigration crisis in Europe?

    Yes, let in millions more people from North Africa and the Middle East or you're doing what Daesh want! It's letting them migrate here in the first place, in such large numbers , that has us in this unholy mess. If we had more stringent immigration policies over the past few decades they wouldn't be here!

    If it's illegal immigration then it's not an open door policy now is it.

    Take all the time you need to click on to that one, I can wait.


  • #4997
    quiet_speaker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 14 ✭quiet_speaker


    ihatemyfish wrote: »
    What open door policies? Are you living under a rock and unaware of the illegal immigration crisis in Europe?

    Yes, let in millions more people from North Africa and the Middle East or you're doing what Daesh want! It's letting them migrate here in the first place that has us in this unholy mess. If we had more stringent immigration policies over the past few decades they wouldn't be here!

    a three year old could work it out , look at the immigration policies of japan , no threat of islamic terrorism in that country

    its a model for us all , these guilty liberals would prefer see european traditions and culture go the way of the dodo than risk being called racist by a PC peer


  • #4998
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Stinicker wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUY



    I suggest you read up on Taqiya and its implications.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya

    Never heard of that before. What a cop out.


  • #4999
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    quiet_speaker wrote: »
    a three year old could work it out , look at the immigration policies of japan , no threat of islamic terrorism in that country

    its a model for us all , these guilty liberals would prefer see european traditions and culture go the way of the dodo than risk being called racist by a PC peer

    Just a little lesson on geography here for you.

    Europe is considerably closer to the Middle East than the Middle East is to Japan.


  • #5000
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Truck Bomb reported in Germany on Off The Ball just now as the reason the match was called off.


  • #5001
    quiet_speaker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 14 ✭quiet_speaker


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Just a little lesson on geography here for you.

    Europe is considerably closer to the Middle East than the Middle East is to Japan.

    israel is even closer to the mid east yet they built a wall , suicide bombings are well down since

    lets not believe their are not options here or that japans situation is all to do with geographical location

    its about choices , japan hardly lets in any white europeans or americans either


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  • #5002
    Uncle Ben
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭Uncle Ben


    German media stating that ambulance filled with explosives parked outside football stadium in Hannover.


  • #5003
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,613 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Reports the bomb was in an emergency vehicle to be driven into the stadium. Unconfirmed.


  • #5004
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Do Daesh have a strong opinion on open or closed borders?

    I'll ask them at the next Liberal Supporters of Extremism meeting.


  • #5005
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Stinicker wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUY



    I suggest you read up on Taqiya and its implications.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya

    Ummmm... no... don't think I'll be watching any video you link. My laptop will need to be thoroughly cleaned after I clicked on your last link.


  • #5006
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    conorhal wrote: »
    #

    I would consider the values I'm talking about as (........) on to our children.
    .
    I can't say I understand what that refers to specifically.
    conorhal wrote: »
    #
    As for your suggestion that paris (...........)so it will be with the Islamists.

    Given the size of the French muslim population - near the population of this island, I believe - were there widespread support for this sort of thing, the state of France would resemble NI during the armed struggle, with daily bombings, shootings and killings, year on year. That is not the case, however.
    suicide circus wrote:
    While I agree that pure bombing is not the answer, I don't think there is
    anything wrong with making IS membership an extremely unhealthy life choice. If
    that means a bit of death from above, so be it.

    A reasonable and sane suggestion.
    quiet speaker wrote:
    when catholics in east timor were being opressed around 1999 , you didnt get
    irish catholics getting all upset about it

    You don't remember the campaign against the occupation of East Timor?


  • #5007
    ihatemyfish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭ihatemyfish


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    If it's illegal immigration then it's not an open door policy now is it.

    Take all the time you need to click on to that one, I can wait.

    Are they being apprehended and returned? No, they are being ferried across from Turkey into Italy/Greece, they then leave the EU and enter Macedonia, then Serbia, they re-enter the EU and travel through Hungary/Croatia/Slovenia/Austria until they get to Germany.


  • #5008
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    ihatemyfish wrote: »
    What open door policies? Are you living under a rock and unaware of the illegal immigration crisis in Europe?

    Do you want to think about that a bit more?


  • #5009
    Mesrine65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭Mesrine65


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_occupation_of_East_Timor#Invasion


  • #5010
    FalconGirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 874 ✭✭✭FalconGirl


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Reports the bomb was in an emergency vehicle to be driven into the stadium. Unconfirmed.

    Interior Ministry to hold a press conference shortly. Seems like it was a credible threat. :( bastards


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  • #5011
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Never heard of that before. What a cop out.

    Bit odd seeing as I mentioned it in posts addressed to you last night on this thread.

    Care to get back to me on this ?
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97760095&postcount=4762


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