Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

Greengrass1 · 13-11-2015 09:22PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Was at a meeting of dairy farmers yesterday morning and price wasn't even mentioned. All that was discussed was how much we can add to the base with our solids. Next was how we could properly analyse our business and get better value for any monies spent on VCs.

Refreshing

Buy 20% less of something and use 20% less of it

frazzledhome · 13-11-2015 09:28PM

whelan2 wrote: »

yes but you still have to work from the base price , all bonuses for solids etc are on top of that ... even looking at the 24cpl glanbia september price and lakelands are already 2.5cpl ahead of us, if we had 26.5 as our base price as well as our solids it would make a big difference

Agreed, however some people I speak to are obsessing about price which is outside their control. If they could be bothered discussing their business id say they'd be better off

I'm not unaware of the importance of what the price is I'd prefer to focus on what I can do to insulate my business

alps · 13-11-2015 09:29PM

kowtow wrote: »

I suspect what frazz is reminding us of is that milk sales are actually at a substantial premium for solids over base.

On that basis presumably there is still some margin over cash COP to pay the farmer.

Of course and only messing with the comment to frazz, and always refreshing when in the environment of positivity.
You touch on the premium over base. Many of our processors are not straightforward a+b-c as the sum is complicated with scc, tbc, dairy hygiene premium and other payments, paid on a per litre basis which negates the c deduction of the payment.

This has the effect of making the price for the high solids producer deviate at different rates from the base of each processor, with yhe effect that farmers in some cases should not be complaining about their base but their inability to pull away from the base.

whelan2 · 13-11-2015 09:34PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Agreed, however some people I speak to are obsessing about price which is outside their control. If they could be bothered discussing their business id say they'd be better off

I'm not unaware of the importance of what the price is I'd prefer to focus on what I can do to insulate my business

agreed but any farmers I have spoken to in the last few weeks the main topics are
no sfp
milk price
tax bill
I normally only worry about whats inside my own gate but at same time its good to talk

frazzledhome · 13-11-2015 09:39PM

whelan2 wrote: »

agreed but any farmers I have spoken to in the last few weeks the main topics are
no sfp
milk price
tax bill
I normally only worry about whats inside my own gate but at same time its good to talk

You're talking to the wrong people. Tax happens every year, milk price was 40c last ye and payment always come.

Did they by any chance suggest what they could do to help themselves?

Brown Podzol · 13-11-2015 09:41PM

alps wrote: »

Of course and only messing with the comment to frazz, and always refreshing when in the environment of positivity.
You touch on the premium over base. Many of our processors are not straightforward a+b-c as the sum is complicated with scc, tbc, dairy hygiene premium and other payments, paid on a per litre basis which negates the c deduction of the payment.

This has the effect of making the price for the high solids producer deviate at different rates from the base of each processor, with yhe effect that farmers in some cases should not be complaining about their base but their inability to pull away from the base.

So your saying that all the quality payments should be paid on the kg's of solids?

whelan2 · 13-11-2015 09:44PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

You're talking to the wrong people. Tax happens every year, milk price was 40c last ye and payment always come.

Did they by any chance suggest what they could do to help themselves?

yes tax happens every year and sfp is normally in account on time anyway not my problem as I am sorted. Am actually much better off here now than I was this time last year.

alps · 13-11-2015 09:46PM

Brown Podzol wrote: »

So your saying that all the quality payments should be paid on the kg's of solids?

Absolutely. .

frazzledhome · 13-11-2015 09:46PM

whelan2 wrote: »

yes tax happens every year and sfp is normally in account on time anyway not my problem as I am sorted. Am actually much better off here now than I was this time last year.

I haven't got my spf yet but I'm used to getting it in January at this stage

kowtow · 13-11-2015 10:03PM

frazzledhome wrote:

I haven't got my spf yet but I'm used to getting it in January at this stage

Well there's no sign of the Scottish derogation either so looks like the Mrs will have to fly commercial at Christmas...

WheatenBriar · 13-11-2015 10:23PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

You're talking to the wrong people. Tax happens every year, milk price was 40c last ye and payment always come.

Did they by any chance suggest what they could do to help themselves?

Are you suggesting whelan 2 should cut farmers out of her life? Because that is what they're all talking about
Mention Bergin or Talbot and they're spitting fire
Anyone not aware of that,is in a bubble tbh too exposed to the Glanbia management set
That well paid,insulated from the grassroots that put them there,set going round to public meetings unashamedly spouting that 1c a litre on base price is more important to GIIL than the farmer is frankly on the ground ruining glanbia's reputation
They have about a year to change tack or the chickens will come home to roost

frazzledhome · 13-11-2015 11:15PM

WheatenBriar wrote: »

Are you suggesting whelan 2 should cut farmers out of her life? Because that is what they're all talking about
Mention Bergin or Talbot and they're spitting fire
Anyone not aware of that,is in a bubble tbh too exposed to the Glanbia management set
That well paid,insulated from the grassroots that put them there,set going round to public meetings unashamedly spouting that 1c a litre on base price is more important to GIIL than the farmer is frankly on the ground ruining glanbia's reputation
They have about a year to change tack or the chickens will come home to roost

You've proven my point;)

jaymla627 · 13-11-2015 11:29PM

WheatenBriar wrote: »

Are you suggesting whelan 2 should cut farmers out of her life? Because that is what they're all talking about
Mention Bergin or Talbot and they're spitting fire
Anyone not aware of that,is in a bubble tbh too exposed to the Glanbia management set
That well paid,insulated from the grassroots that put them there,set going round to public meetings unashamedly spouting that 1c a litre on base price is more important to GIIL than the farmer is frankly on the ground ruining glanbia's reputation
They have about a year to change tack or the chickens will come home to roost

Remember hearing a brilliant piece on American soldiers in pow camps in Japan, the survivors when recalling their expirences all come to the same conclusion.
That 3 specific groups usually formed which consisted of lads that got immediately depressed consigned to themselves they where dead men, the second group where the everything is going to be fine/positive thinking lads and the third group was lads that knew they where in the **** but accepted this and knew they had to just try and get through it, the soldiers that survived nearly always feel into the last group....
You could easily liken dairy farmers into these groups, we all know the guys ploughing ahead still spending like no tomorw thinking everythings going to be grand sure we have low cost grass based systems, we all know the moaners and we hope ourselves that we fall into the last group, their is some hard times ahead and I really feel sorry for any lads who over the next 12-18 months have dairy as their sole income source with high levels of debt because in most cases these systems will do well to break - even let alone provide wages for the farmer...

Pacoa · 13-11-2015 11:54PM

If the price don't go up soon we'll all be doing this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKFlH5M1NAo

red bull · 14-11-2015 02:49AM

Dawggone wrote: »

Hmmm had there been no quota, it's anyone's guess.

From '83 'till now dairy has been well ahead of cereals.

If you take your average 100acre family farm since '83, if they were in cereals, they would be starving by now! There would certainly wouldn't have sent children to boarding schools and onto university.
You have touched on something that I've often spoken about...with quota now gone, expansion is not only necessary, but vital for survival. The 100 acre (full time) tillage/beef farm is history. Can dairy be far behind?

Nothing to do with milk price. You, yours and the French people are on my mind tonight. Peace be with you and RIP to all the victims

BG2.0 · 14-11-2015 11:59AM

WheatenBriar wrote: »

Are you suggesting whelan 2 should cut farmers out of her life? Because that is what they're all talking about
Mention Bergin or Talbot and they're spitting fire
Anyone not aware of that,is in a bubble tbh too exposed to the Glanbia management set
That well paid,insulated from the grassroots that put them there,set going round to public meetings unashamedly spouting that 1c a litre on base price is more important to GIIL than the farmer is frankly on the ground ruining glanbia's reputation
They have about a year to change tack or the chickens will come home to roost

Did the farmer not give over his right to that one cent when he 'cheerleadered' for setting up GIIL and all that? :pac:

frazzledhome · 14-11-2015 03:11PM

Was in my neighbours yard this morning giving him a dig out.

All he ever does is talk about milk price he didn't however spot the 3 in calf heifers in his shed with slurry heel that needed to be got out immediately.

These 3 beautiful animals were worth 1400 each yet his worry was milk price. As I say it's important but you shouldn't allow it distract you

kevthegaff · 14-11-2015 03:18PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Was in my neighbours yard this morning giving him a dig out.

All he ever does is talk about milk price he didn't however spot the 3 in calf heifers in his shed with slurry heel that needed to be got out immediately.

These 3 beautiful animals were worth 1400 each yet his worry was milk price. As I say it's important but you shouldn't allow it distract you

What's slurry heel frazz?

frazzledhome · 14-11-2015 03:25PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

What's slurry heel frazz?

Also know as: Scald — Slurry Heel — Stable Footrot — Heel Erosion — Heel Necrosis

Introduction
Interdigital dermatitis is caused by the anaerobic bacteria, Dichelobacter nodosus.

This condition has been confused in the literature with foot rot but the clinical signs of the two diseases are distinctly different. However, terminology is confusing with the equivalent UK/US expression being either heel necrosis, slurry heal or heel erosion (Blowey, 2008). It should not be confused with digital dermatitis.

Interdigital dermatitis (ID) is caused by Dichelobacter nodosus, however, different genotypes of this organism cause foot rot in sheep compared with those causing ID in cattle. Transmission of the disease between sheep and cattle has not been reported.

It is hypothesized that ID plays a role in the evolution of other diseases such as foot rot, digital dermatitis, and heel erosion.

D. nodosus and Fusobacterium necrophorum have been consistently isolated from lesions. However, other organisms frequently present in the interdigital space also play a part in the progress of some of these diseases.

Deepsouthwest · 14-11-2015 04:27PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Was in my neighbours yard this morning giving him a dig out.

All he ever does is talk about milk price he didn't however spot the 3 in calf heifers in his shed with slurry heel that needed to be got out immediately.

These 3 beautiful animals were worth 1400 each yet his worry was milk price. As I say it's important but you shouldn't allow it distract you

Not sure what this has to do with milk price, this guy and plenty others like wont notice something like this regardless of whether price is good or bad.
Also an awful lot of farmers do the exact same thing every yr regardless of price, weather, grass availability etc etc. They start calving, let cows out, bring them in and dry them off at the exact same time as every other yr!

Buford T. Justice XIX · 14-11-2015 05:59PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

What's slurry heel frazz?

frazzledhome wrote: »

Also know as: Scald — Slurry Heel — Stable Footrot — Heel Erosion — Heel Necrosis

Introduction
Interdigital dermatitis is caused by the anaerobic bacteria, Dichelobacter nodosus.

This condition has been confused in the literature with foot rot but the clinical signs of the two diseases are distinctly different. However, terminology is confusing with the equivalent UK/US expression being either heel necrosis, slurry heal or heel erosion (Blowey, 2008). It should not be confused with digital dermatitis.

Interdigital dermatitis (ID) is caused by Dichelobacter nodosus, however, different genotypes of this organism cause foot rot in sheep compared with those causing ID in cattle. Transmission of the disease between sheep and cattle has not been reported.

It is hypothesized that ID plays a role in the evolution of other diseases such as foot rot, digital dermatitis, and heel erosion.

D. nodosus and Fusobacterium necrophorum have been consistently isolated from lesions. However, other organisms frequently present in the interdigital space also play a part in the progress of some of these diseases.

Bet you're sorry you asked:D

Good point, frazz. There's more money to be made inside the gate than outside it.

kevthegaff · 16-11-2015 06:48PM

Any word on arrabawn ?

WheatenBriar · 16-11-2015 06:52PM

Glanbia unchanged
Still getting away with 23 or so cents ex vat
Government giving us the vat and another cent from our own money in a pretend top up

whelan2 · 16-11-2015 07:14PM

WheatenBriar wrote: »

Glanbia unchanged
Still getting away with 23 or so cents ex vat
Government giving us the vat and another cent from our own money in a pretend top up

what was to stop them giving a 2 cent top up?

frazzledhome · 16-11-2015 07:30PM

whelan2 wrote: »

what was to stop them giving a 2 cent top up?

Nothing bar the fact it'll be needed in the spring.

whelan2 · 16-11-2015 07:32PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Nothing bar the fact it'll be needed in the spring.

sure we will have the dairy grant in the spring to tide us over :rolleyes:

WheatenBriar · 16-11-2015 07:35PM

whelan2 wrote: »

what was to stop them giving a 2 cent top up?

Well I wouldn't be surprised if Siobhan put it to the board to rousing claps and cheers that we get no money at all anymore for our milk and instead paid us in vouchers for the glanbia store...

whelan2 · 16-11-2015 07:40PM

WheatenBriar wrote: »

Well I wouldn't be surprised if Siobhan put it to the board to rousing claps and cheers that we get no money at all anymore for our milk and instead paid us in vouchers for the glanbia store...

surprised they didnt drop another cent, they have to look after their profits

alps · 16-11-2015 08:46PM

Interesting to listen to Bergin on the radio this evening, explaining about the fixed price scheme.

For those of us who have no such luxuries, how much of your supply can you put towards it? What happens if it is oversubscribed?

I found it unusual for him to say that the price was fixed at what they considered to be a fair price for the customer and the supplier, for the next 18 months. Can they make a customer pay what they feel is a fair price?

Or is glanbia the customer?

kowtow · 16-11-2015 09:35PM

alps wrote:

Or is glanbia the customer?

Did he say it was matched to a single customer?

Could be Glanbia. If it is might be difficult to make sure they don't expect a load of low priced milk to make up for their expensive milk...

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