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Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

That's simply an unbelievably tactless tweet. It is mind boggling to think she's a reporter for a major news network , sacking her would be an appropriate response to that tweet.

Isaiah wrote: »

Left wing authoritarianism is left wing fascism. It is NOT an oxymoron. You might recall a left wing dictatorship called the USSR, only the largest country to ever exist and the largest social experiment in enforced left wing politics to ever exist.

Stalin and Lenin were LEFT and Fascist in all but name name, they also believed in equality for all men and women, banning religion and ensuring that no one was privileged, and that no one was allowed to express any opposition to any of these values, on pain of social exclusion and possibley losing your job, friends and prospects. These exact same tactics are regularly displayed by Left wing pressure groups when they carry out public bullying, slander and shaming of those who disagreed with them.

The IRA were also a left wing authoritarian group in their hayday. If you disagreed with them, you were a valid target to further their political motives.

Cuba another. Shall I go on? I am sure a dictionary definition of Fascism meant jack sh1t under the boot of the Communists.

To answer your questions

"You agree with gender equality but not with people who are against gender equality being challenged about their views. Is that correct?"

I agree that all men and women are equal and should be afforded equal rights and treatment before the law. I do not like the tactics I saw on display by the yes brigades, I do not like the tactics I regularly see on display in the media by militant feminists, I do not believe in gender quota's or positive discrimination.

And Gay Rights? I believe that Gay people have as much rights as I do and if they don't, they should. However I will not support any group that fights for these rights at the expense of open free debate, freedom of thought and free speech being held up as the highest value of our society.

Facekicking 2 The Future wrote: »

They've been doing this in general since 600 AD, Mohammed and his followers would regularly march into market places, slaughter many and after his death, sects would pop and having been popping up every generation, it's a lifestyle for some and now we're here in 2015 and it never ended.

1400-1500 years later and here we are, still making apologies.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

As reprehensible as marrying and consummating a marriage to a child is, stop acting like Muhammad was the only one to justify your hatred of contemporary Muslims.

For example - It was the norm for the rulers of Byzantium - who were Christian.

Take Agnes-Anna of France,wife of Alexius II and Andronicus I of the Comneni Dynasty for example

http://www.roman-emperors.org/aggiefran.htm

I can find you hundreds and hundred more examples for the non-Muslim world if you like or you could stop banging that drum.

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Yeah, so long as you aren't gay, or atheist, or travel outside of the major urban centres as a Westerner, or drink alcohol in public...

TommyKnocker wrote: »

Factual or not.

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

The problem here is that, for many on the right who have been talking about mass immigration, this is the vindication of their point of view - a significant segment of the population introduced with radically different views and attitudes (as borne out by significant polling on the matter) brought in by misguided politicos - that violence is now starting to erupt is just further confirmation of their views which in retrospect, now appear prescient.

Nice words indeed. The problem with such attack on 'Muslim looking' individuals by street toughs is that the underpinning for such attacks does not lie with nuanced debates on Question Time or academics papers on the matter, it's simply a reflection of the experiences of people on the ground, bayed on in cases by the gutter press. The traditional problem with the interpretation of these events has been the 'holier than thou' approach taken by many leftish intellectuals who see anti-muslim sentiment as the problem rather than a symptom of the wider problem, which is Islamist terrorism. I only recently brought myself to watching the Tommy Robinson speech at the Oxford Union and I was surprisingly haunted by his account as a working class man of life at the coalface of these tensions, particularly his repeated refrain of 'What would you do?'


I defer to your experiences of anti-Irish sentiment in the 80s, but I must once again come back to the central point, namely that the cause of those attitudes lay with Republican Terrorism in the North and only the end of that conflict and the dissociation of it with the Irish identity could really heal those wounds. You might argue that such attitudes will alienate the Muslim community in Britain, but quite frankly with a few hundred Brits overseas fighting for ISIS and plenty more holding pretty abhorrent views perfectly peaceably, I'm not certain it can get much worse.

Our lives might be something worth protecting, if nothing else.

In any case, I hardly feel that the closing of Europe's doors to further migration from the Islamic world or even the clamping down on extremist views expressed peaceably will be the end of the European way of life. In the meantime however, 'at the coalface', having neighbourhoods and communities in Europe where none regard homosexuality as acceptable, where nearly half want the introduction of religious law, where a third want the return of a global Caliphate - that is a clear and immediate threat to Europe and a demonstrable representation of the failure to integrate new communities. If we want to empower moderate Muslims, maybe we shouldn't be treating them as a replenish-able source of cheap labour.

We shall have to see on that count. In the interim as a gay man, I am more concerned about the young men I work with on the shop floor assuring me that the Jews carried out 9/11 than some old biddy going through a decade of the rosary.

I suspect 'regressive left' is a bit like 'trickle down economics' - everyone wants to attribute it to an opponent, no-one actually comes out and says that's what they are arguing. I think we can only judge people by their actions and opinions when it comes to this categorisation.

Isaiah wrote: »

Fascism can be left or right. This is accepted in political studies whether you like it or not.
They are both the same thing, Total state control right down to how you think, what you believe and how you behave.

Why do you liberals constantly bring a debate down to semantics? Is it because you don't have an actual point to argue?

When left wing or liberal political groups who believe that they know what’s good for society attempt to ENFORCE those beliefs upon others by Coercion, bullying, slander, boycotting, stifling opposing voices by silencing and shaming people in public this IS left wing Fascism in the throes of infancy, and its dangerous. Derision is the primary tool of the liberal fascist. Or as we know it the Social justice warrior.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Many on the Right believe in so called racial purity and abhor any kind of migration. If the had their way we would need DNA tests before being allowed to procreate to make sure our ethnic bloodlines are not diluted.
They are using tragedy and atrocities for their own political gain and are just as interested in 'cleansing' Europe just along racial not religious lines.

They are also a threat to our way of life - perhaps we expel them

I don't disagree generally re causation but like most Irish people have managed to move on and disassociate from extreme republicanism we need to encourage moderate Muslims to disassociate from fundamentalism - what is the alternative? Civil War?

The use of the word 'migration' while technically correct gives the impression of it being a matter of choice- I am talking about offering sanctuary to refugees while a conflict rages in their homeland, much as Europeans fled during WWII.

He sounds like a young man who is hard of thinking... can he find his way to the shop floor without help?

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Oh please read the bloody thread before trying to set the bloody roundabout off again. :mad: