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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    Hearing the Security guard that stopped the suicide bomber going into the football stadium was Muslim.
    Bet ISIS won't like that. lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I think an argument could be made that if people could carry firearms like it's legal to do in America then lives might have been saved.

    It could also make it easier for an armed terrorist group to move about Europe with impunity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    Why has this thread descended into a debate of the crusades. Who cares if there were crusades or witch hunting or gruel eating or piss throwing back in the day ...you would hope we have moved on considerably from then and have learned from those distant times.But I guess that s one of the main problems with religion . It does not allow us to move on ...or what seems to me in the case of ISLAM is trying to move us backwards ..

    But what really galls is citing the west as the main catalyst in the creation of ISIS
    No mention of the long and bloody sectarian violence between Sunni & Shia that fueled ISIS and has allowed so many dictators to rule in Middle East

    But the real problem with laying all the blame at the feet of the west is it allows ISIS and sympathizers to not take full responsibility for their own actions and enhances the case of victim-hood. Thus entrenching views and painting the world in black and white terms for those who already have little grasp of the nuances of self determination, responsibility, liberation, etc

    No matter what happens to me I and I alone chose how I react


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    Purely for historical interest look up the sack of Baltimore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    Hachiko wrote: »
    Islam is taking over the world, they enter different countries and expect the host country to adopt their own traditions and customs, that or they get all iffy and start blowing themselves (and others) up. If they don't like the countries they are in they are more than welcome to go back to where they came from.

    And if we went to their counties and tried the same thing we would get beheaded.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 300 ✭✭Isaiah


    kleefarr wrote: »
    And if we went to their counties and tried the same thing we would get beheaded.

    Exactly. The liberal west is the laughing stock of the Islamic world. We are soft and ripe for the picking.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    More shooting apparently, lots of fresh police and ambulance activity according to a live report on SKY


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    Kicking off again!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Overheal wrote: »
    It could also make it easier for an armed terrorist group to move about Europe with impunity.

    It's obvious that terrorist groups will acquire weapons with relative ease regardless of the gun laws within those countries. Hell, we have tough gun legislation here, and the IRA got a significant quantity of weapons from Libya and Hezbollah.

    When foreign financiers are willing to buy and give you weapons, it doesn't matter how strict the laws are in the country you intend to target.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭Jim Bob Scratcher


    Reports of something happening at the memorial now on CNN


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 760 ✭✭✭youreadthat


    Lots of panic on channel 4 news.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,613 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    I think an argument could be made that if people could carry firearms like it's legal to do in America then lives might have been saved.

    Sure you could make that argument if for instance the regular mass shootings in the US didn't happen as they were being stopped by armed citizens but that doesn't happen does it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭TommyKnocker




    Same story, different century.
    From his accent this guy sounds like an American, so from a country with a history of salving and who have been at war for 222 years of its 239 year history. A country whose foreign policy is responsible for a lot of the mess in the ME. Sorry but I just could not take this seriously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,573 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Maybe it takes events like this to enable people to "call a spade a spade" without the PC brigade shutting down the conversation for being "racist!".

    the pc brigade doesn't exist. its a mythical, made up, racist term made up by bigots and racists. it is thrown into racist rants in the name of trying to be derogatory, which thankfully it fails to do, dispite those using it failing to realize it doesn't work and never has, and it got old and boaring years a go. "call a spade a spade" is another favourite of such people. the only people who are called racists are racists. if your not one, you won't be called one.
    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    think we need to stop dwelling on the specific case of that shooting at a rock show and see the bigger picture when discussing gun laws…as i said before, those things do not always happen at gigs…and a well-placed pistol shot will teach anyone, no matter what superior gun he may be carrying…
    your deluded. the reason most countries have gun control is they see how the opposite has worked out.
    I'm sure The Guardian will be along shortly with an article on how Muslims are the real victims here and that islamophobia is up 700% to satisfy your leanings.
    dear dear. the nonsense some will spout
    Hachiko wrote: »
    Islam is taking over the world, they enter different countries and expect the host country to adopt their own traditions and customs, that or they get all iffy and start blowing themselves (and others) up. If they don't like the countries they are in they are more than welcome to go back to where they came from.

    more made up nonsense
    kleefarr wrote: »
    And if we went to their counties and tried the same thing we would get beheaded.
    thats a favourite one for certain types to throw out to play the victim. ireland is a free democratic country, the middle east isn't. the only thing muslims get here in ireland is inclusion. nothing more.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭Jim Bob Scratcher


    False alarm apparently, thank Christ.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭strelok


    Overheal wrote: »

    there's no need for that sort of gendered language


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Well it doesn't take much to spook people right now.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    They probably played this song over the loudspeakers and people ran!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 300 ✭✭Isaiah


    From his accent this guy sounds like an American, so from a country with a history of salving and who have been at war for 222 years of its 239 year history. A country whose foreign policy is responsible for a lot of the mess in the ME. Sorry but I just could not take this seriously.

    It's factual history. It's not open to your interpretation.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Samaris wrote: »
    In truth, there's much less security risk than you think. It's probably safer now than it has been in the last couple of years - security's sky-high, everyone's keeping a look out. Maybe it's bolting the stable door after the horses have fled, but it's a sad fact that it tends to be "safest" just after something horrendous like this.

    I don't know. They don't believe they've killed everyone involved in this (and there must have been quite a few). I wonder, would there have been another support/logistics person for each trigger-man too?

    Anyway, the police/spy people will be trying to run them all down/trace their back-trail right now. They know that, so if they have any weapons etc left they will probably try and do something else while they are still free [think something similar happened with last attack in France].


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    kleefarr wrote: »
    Agreed, but in the other situations there would have been possibilities. The ones that were shooting from outside the restaurant window for example.
    Better to have some chance than no chance at all, surely.

    my thoughts exactly


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    But the real problem with laying all the blame at the feet of the west is..

    Good thing no one has done that then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,613 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    From his accent this guy sounds like an American, so from a country with a history of salving and who have been at war for 222 years of its 239 year history. A country whose foreign policy is responsible for a lot of the mess in the ME. Sorry but I just could not take this seriously.

    Yeah because his nationality is total relevant to the point being made.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭MightyMandarin


    kleefarr wrote: »
    Agreed, but in the other situations there would have been possibilities. The ones that were shooting from outside the restaurant window for example.
    Better to have some chance than no chance at all, surely.

    Or a chance that they'd hit innocent bystanders...

    Having a gun doesn't mean that you're a good shot, especially if you've never been in a combat situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,058 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Jaysus just watched that on CNN.

    Hundreds of people at the memorial and all of a sudden aomething happened and they just started running and screaming.

    Evidently a false alarm but it shows how on edge Paris is right now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,752 ✭✭✭Lights On


    Reports of gunfire in Marais neighbourhood coming in now

    @Conflicts: BREAKING: Multiple reports now that gunfire has broken out in Marais neighborhood in #Paris #France. Reports of possible one wounded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭Orangebrigade


    Pocoyo wrote: »
    The Ulster unionists are far more comparable to ISIS than the IRA.
    lol, trust me I have no intention of bombing Dublin or Irish people and Unionists have no intention of doing so either. Ridiculous comparison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,076 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    Good thing no one has done that then.

    Oh but they have ..plenty people blaming only Bush & Blair

    On another note ...wouldn't be surprised if there are still more from the terrorist cell at large . Need to look again at the funding of ISIS and those supporting them with firearms and explosives. It is on record the rich Sunni muslims have backed ISIS some of whom are from Saudi. This duplicitous relationship with SA needs to be addressed


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