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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #3782
    Custardpi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    Sunflower 27 wrote: »
    Nah, I truly believe she was trying to be deep and clever and just came off looking like a fool.

    A "fool" who has become a household name & has tons of people promoting her brand. Not a bad type of foolishness it must be said, financially speaking at least.


  • #3783
    Orangebrigade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭Orangebrigade


    It is the world we live in now. The Allie forces can't seem to do anything right without some bleeding heart whinging as we saw with Jihadi John and how it would have been better if he faced a court of law. The guy got exactly what he deserved, actually it was probably too quick for him.

    They get taken out and still here in the West we have folk who can't help but moan about it. People talk as if ISIS are like Dublin drug gangsters or something and not a sophisticated psychotic and highly armed group.


  • #3784
    Fleawuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    K - so people complain that Muhammad married a child. It is pointed out - with historically verifiable examples - that this was actually quite common among the Christian ruling elites.

    Then it becomes 'oh, well... 'they' still do it' - so it is pointed out that sooooo do Christians and in fact the greatest number of child marriages occurs in Hindu India.

    Now we have 'Ah but... example to the world...'.

    Goal posts are simply whizzing around the place at the speed of knots.

    Indeed. Probably because some of the comments are really rooted in a mindset of "our god is better than your god". Whereas it's time to say fcuk off to all claiming to have revelations from god as to how we should live.


  • #3785
    Custardpi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    K - so people complain that Muhammad married a child. It is pointed out - with historically verifiable examples - that this was actually quite common among the Christian ruling elites.

    Then it becomes 'oh, well... 'they' still do it' - so it is pointed out that sooooo do Christians and in fact the greatest number of child marriages occurs in Hindu India.

    Now we have 'Ah but... example to the world...'.

    Goal posts are simply whizzing around the place at the speed of knots.

    To engage in blatant whataboutery & deflection then in the next breath complain of others moving goal posts must require some serious cognitive dissonance on your part. Well done!


  • #3786
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    stefanovich wrote: »
    I see you using the past tense there. What about the present?

    Once again - 40% of child marriages occur in Hindu India, I already provided the link.

    By the by - the age of consent in the Vatican was raised from 12 to 18 by Pope Francis. Yup - the current pope. This meant that until recently (pre-July 2013) it was legally possible for a 50 year old man to marry a 12 year old girl (or indeed a 50 year old woman marry 12 year old boy) in St. Peter's Basilica. The very heart of The Roman Catholic Church.


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  • #3787
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    Custardpi wrote: »
    To engage in blatant whataboutery & deflection then in the next breath complain of others moving goal posts must require some serious cognitive dissonance on your part. Well done!
    The points made seem quite valid to me.


  • #3788
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Custardpi wrote: »
    To engage in blatant whataboutery & deflection then in the next breath complain of others moving goal posts must require some serious cognitive dissonance on your part. Well done!

    Why can't people debate without slinging insulting comments?

    Go insult someone else please as I have neither the time nor the patience to put up with school yard BS.

    If you have a counter-argument to the points I made lets hear it.


  • #3789
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    Just heard on the news that the French national named as one of the terrorist is not thought to be linked to Isis.


  • #3790
    La Fenetre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭La Fenetre


    whatismyname wrote: »
    The strangeness of Kay Burley...

    https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/665807478060392448

    To me that's a classic giveaway sign of someone who clearly doesn't remotely understand the concept of empathy or feel any, but attempts to fake and emulate it (badly) for their own gain..


  • #3791
    Uncle Ben
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭Uncle Ben


    Merkel's coalition partners calling for open doors policy to be reversed.


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  • #3792
    MPFGLB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    To me that's a classic giveaway sign of someone who clearly doesn't remotely understand the concept of empathy or feel any, but attempts to fake and emulate it (badly) for their own gain..

    Agree wholeheartedly with this

    But some of the responses are hilarious

    https://twitter.com/thedevilstweets/status/665846254182735872?replies_view=true&cursor=ASAWbBOXPQk


  • #3793
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Why can't people debate without slinging insulting comments?

    Go insult someone else please as I have neither the time nor the patience to put up with school yard BS.

    If you have a counter-argument to the points I made lets hear it.

    Unfortunately if you look over this thread, the maturity level at times really is circa primary school. Especially comments around all Muslins being terrorists.

    Just ignore it.


  • #3794
    josephryan1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 669 ✭✭✭josephryan1989


    Sunflower 27 wrote: »
    Just heard on the news that the French national named as one of the terrorist is not thought to be linked to Isis.

    He must have been Amish.

    We need to ban those scumbags with their buggies and horses, waistcoats and broadbrim hats! :mad:


  • #3795
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    To me that's a classic giveaway sign of someone who clearly doesn't remotely understand the concept of empathy or feel any, but attempts to fake and emulate it (badly) for their own gain..

    Definitely. And yes, very badly.


  • #3796
    Alexis Sanchez
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭Alexis Sanchez


    Sunflower 27 wrote: »
    The points made seem quite valid to me.

    So fallacious arguments are valid to you?

    Look at it this way, child marriage is a problem in Islam, but does pointing the finger at another religion make the initial problem go away? No, of course not. That's why whataboutery is a fallacious argument.

    Here's an analogy to prove my point:

    If you beat up a neighbour's child but you partner raped and murdered another child, does that make you innocent because your partner committed a more serious offense? No.


  • #3797
    La Fenetre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭La Fenetre


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    Agree wholeheartedly with this

    But some of the responses are hilarious

    https://twitter.com/thedevilstweets/status/665846254182735872?replies_view=true&cursor=ASAWbBOXPQk

    Well as long as we have a laugh instead of getting some decent journalists and reporting, that's the main thing ?


  • #3798
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    josephryan1989 wrote: »
    He must have been Amish.

    We need to ban those scumbags with their buggies and horses, waistcoats and broadbrim hats! :mad:

    it makes you wonder how Cameron could get away with saying he was shocked and surprised. If it had been Amish his comment would be true

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #3799
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    whatismyname wrote: »
    The strangeness of Kay Burley...

    https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/665807478060392448

    The responses to that insanely stoopid post are absolute gold though. Even in the middle of crisis and shock, there's some nonsense up with which people shall not put.


  • #3800
    Custardpi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Why can't people debate without slinging insulting comments?

    Go insult someone else please as I have neither the time nor the patience to put up with school yard BS.

    If you have a counter-argument to the points I made lets hear it.

    I have already made one, you've simply missed or chosen to ignore it. My counter argument to your ridiculous tu quoque points is that there is a qualitative difference when it comes to Mohammed versus other historical figures. Mohammed is still held up as a beacon to the world in all respects by his followers & apologists. One is perfectly able to take a nuanced view of other people from history who have sh1tty morals by today's standards. The same is not true of Mohammed, as numerous writers, journalists & artists have discovered to their cost.


  • #3801
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    timmyntc wrote: »
    For asylum seekers/refugees they should be contactable at any time, and their whereabouts should be known, much like how the US keep track of certain types of VISAs - i know that for the J1 they regularly contact you regarding where and what you work as.

    I don't see why that would be an issue as long as it's not some 'electronic tagging' situation as I don't think treating genuine refugees as if they were convicted criminals out on early release is a good idea.


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  • #3802
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    josephryan1989 wrote: »
    He must have been Amish.

    We need to ban those scumbags with their buggies and horses, waistcoats and broadbrim hats! :mad:

    Just reporting what I heard. Mock as you will...


  • #3803
    Fleawuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    Samaris wrote: »
    The responses to that insanely stoopid post are absolute gold though. Even in the middle of crisis and shock, there's some nonsense up with which people shall not put.

    Thank you! My favorite is:
    It's. A. Fcuking. Dog.


  • #3804
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Custardpi wrote: »
    What's the betting someone could publish a cartoon making fun of old Andronicus & not have to go into hiding?

    Is that your counter-argument?


  • #3805
    MPFGLB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    La Fenetre wrote: »
    Well as long as we have a laugh instead of getting some decent journalists and reporting, that's the main thing ?

    Who said that ?

    Get over yourself

    Laughing is the best way to undermine idiots .

    And just because we laugh at something it doesn't detract from our feelings or thoughts about it seriousness..


  • #3806
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Indeed. Probably because some of the comments are really rooted in a mindset of "our god is better than your god". Whereas it's time to say fcuk off to all claiming to have revelations from god as to how we should live.

    I hear ya!


  • #3807
    Custardpi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Is that your counter-argument?

    That there is a difference between random historical figures & a figure who is not merely held up as an example today but many of whose followers believe should be immune from criticism. You are comparing apples to oranges, then when called out on it simply produce more apples.


  • #3808
    Isaiah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 300 ✭✭Isaiah


    Arne_Saknussem wrote: »
    Yep. And also it would be impossible to say if the person who used it to pass through Greece was/wasn't the same person involved in the attacks.

    Greece will have biometric data. They can it check against the remains of the bomber near the passport.


  • #3809
    La Fenetre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭La Fenetre


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    Who said that ?

    Get over yourself

    Laughing is the best way to undermine idiots .

    And just because we laugh at something it doesn't detract from our feelings or thoughts about it seriousness..

    LOL ! :rolleyes:


  • #3810
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Alexis Sanchez wrote: »
    So fallacious arguments are valid to you?

    Look at it this way, child marriage is a problem in Islam, but does pointing the finger at another religion make the initial problem go away? No, of course not. That's why whataboutery is a fallacious argument.

    Here's an analogy to prove my point:

    If you beat up a neighbour's child but you partner raped and murdered another child, does that make you innocent because your partner committed a more serious offense? No.

    Child Marriage is a problem. Full Stop

    It is just as much of a problem in Hindu India yet the silence about that is deathly.

    Perhaps you missed all the posts banging on and on and on about Muhammad marrying a child - pointing out that this was a common practice at the time is not whataboutry or fallacious it is called historical context. It is not condoning it - it is pointing out that Muhammad lived in a period of time when Old Goats could and did legally marry young girls!


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  • #3811
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Thank you! My favorite is:
    It's. A. Fcuking. Dog.

    I think mine have to be "My breakfast is inconsolable" and "Concern at the vacuous nature of mainstream media reporting around complex situations in her eyes.'

    Kay Burley really does seem to be a loon of the first water.


    Also, are we really having a go at Islam for -Mohammad-, a historical figure from a period where this was normal, marrying a child when Mary the mother of Jesus gave birth to him at thirteen or so?

    If child marriage is still a problem in Islamic countries (and yes, by our standards it is a problem), it's a problem that exists in many other cultures too, and it's disingenuous in the extreme to act like we've only just noticed it happening in this one place.


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