Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

Carlee Tart Wedding wrote: »

Uh-oh, this might be an issue for everyone thoroughly enjoying blaming the refugees.

These things will take time to clear up. At the moment it seems that two Syrian passports, rumored to be fake, were found at the scene of the suicide bombings. At least one of these has been said to belong to someone registered on a Greek island as a refugee/ asylum seeker.

The passport is a curious element but not the "smoking gun" either pro immigration or anti think it is.

If a fake passport was used by someone registered as a refugee they were still registered. If it belongs to a victim of the murderers then it shows problems with the proper management of the immigration process. If it was a plant then that will have to be linked to the other arrests and forensic data.

In short we need to wait and see: as it stands this morning it doesn't give either side of the immigration argument a trump card and I doubt it will.

bnt wrote: »

Here and elsewhere I'm seeing loads of "Muslims are not terrorists" talk, which is right, because it's true. It is putting the cart before the horse, though. What are Muslims themselves going to do about this? I see millions of decent, hospitable, hard-working people who are tied, by their religion, to a death cult over which they have no control. Make no mistake - the events of Friday the 13th are Islam in its original, purest form. Salafii-Jihadists such as Daesh are the ones trying to take Islam back to where it started: a single caliphate where no other religions are tolerated in any form. They are not heretics, or deluded, or criminals: they are the Real Islam, the way it was originally intended.

So, what is the average Muslim to do, when you look at the news and don't recognise what is being done in the name of your religion? Why get all defensive about it? Don't be a victim. This is your chance to say "this is not my religion", and leave Islam behind. If you can't leave, because of threats to your family or your livelihood, or for "cultural reasons", I'd call this a good time to ask: "just what good is Islam doing me, anyway?" You're better than that.

Agree.

The problem with Islam is that you are either with us or you are our enemy. This is what European dhimmis don't get.

99.99999999999% of Muslims dont' choose to be one. Their parent and society chooses it for them. They might be highly intelligent, thoughtful, insightful human beings. But they are fooked.

They cannot leave. They will be murdered.

The cannot criticise it. They will be murdered.

The cannot convert to another religion. They will be murdered.

They cannot update it. They will be murdered.

Even when they remain a Muslim, other Muslims will say they are not being a strict enough Muslim. They will be murdered.

Even if the become the strictest, most observant Muslim, not just 100% or 200% you forget that they will be part of one of the various strains, just like Christians may be Catholic or Protestant. The strains are at war with each other. They will be murdered.

What is the average Muslim to do ?

In Islamic shyte holes like Pakistan and Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia, they are fooked.

In free Europe ?

They could renounce Islam in the morning. They live in a free country where they can be any religious or sexuality or political persuasion within the law.

What do they do ?

They don't go secular. They embrace the hardcore, totalitarian Islam that their parents were fleeing to the free West.

25% of young " British " ( that's born ) Muslims believe that anyone who leaves Islam should be murdered.

RedemptionZ wrote: »

... I actually believe at its foundation it's a peaceful religion that like many religions has been interpreted by evil people for their own benefit and used to minipulate young impressionable men ...

This is the problem.

" At it's foundation " BY ITS OWN FOUNDER, Mohommed, it was a war mongering cult, raping, pillaging, murdering, persecuting, paedophiling it's way across the Middle East.

Most wishy washy Europeans use their childhood Christianity that they have left behind, save for Christmas and Weddings, as their reference point to Islam.

They think that Islam is simply like Christianity and Mohommed is simply like Jesus. All religions are the same, they soothe on messageboards.

Mohammed himself, personally led his followers in beheading 900 jews in a single afternoon. Perhaps he even used one of his 8 swords, including his personal favourite, " The Cleaver Of Necks ".

Mohammed himself, personally instructed his followers to rape women who were " unbelievers " and if they felt like it, kidnap them and hold them captive for the single purpose of rape when they felt like using a women for their own self gratification. Mohammed himself personally owned 4 women for that purpose, in addition to his 11 wives, which included one he married at 6 and penetrated when she reached the age of 9 and he was 53.

Mohammed himself demanded and instructed that anyone who criticised him should be murdered, and he ordered the murder of about 50 of his critics during his lifetime, including poets and artists.

Mohommed himself ordered attacks and robberies on travelling merchants to steal their wares.

The problem with folk is they are deluded into thinking that Mohommed was some sort of baby Jesus character that they learnt about in primary school.

You cannot even state the above, because folk get offended.

They don't want to hear the facts.

They just want to parrot this politically correct line that all religions are the same, and some bad people must be twisting Islam.

You will get banned and silenced by people just for stating the above. Lad I know, got very angry when I told him that technically, 53 year old Mohammed penetrating a 9 year old was a child ( and why according to Islam's own texts she was a child rather than an adult ) and told me " you can't say that ". Knows nothing whatsoever about Islam, and does not want to know, because it might upset his politically correct worldview.

People trot out platitudes about religion and they don't have a clue what they are talking about.

bilston wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-34825270

Latest update there suggesting the possibility that some of the attackers may still be at large. Very worrying if true.

150 dead, hundreds injured and the politically correct BBC still cannot bring itself to use the word " terrorist ", never mind Islam.

Militants is the soothing non judgemental word they use, less they offend anyone.

Endless possibilities.
An attacker who got cold feet
A logistics person whose job was done
Etc