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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #3542
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,501 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    threeball wrote: »
    Thats really naive. We already have muslims leaving ireland to travel to syria and iraq. Isis do not differentiate between any countries at all. If you or not muslim and in particular sunni muslim then you are a legitimate target. Neutrality and being the fun paddies won't help us here

    We are not worth attacking. The only way Irish people will get killed if by hard luck they happen to be abroad when the extremists main targets are.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #3543
    Deep Six
    Closed Accounts Posts: 228 ✭✭Deep Six


    tigger123 wrote: »
    So, just murder everyone in Syria/Iraq/Islamic State?

    Not everyone, just everyone in IS strongholds.


  • #3544
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,153 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Deep Six wrote: »
    Retaliation should be swift and absolutely merciless. For a start, level that ****hole Raqqa and everyone in it to the ground. It's an IS stronghold so the world won't shed any tears over the subhuman filth in it being incinerated.

    Next step then is to start targeting the IS sympathisers in our countries. Find them and execute them, no legal process or red tape just a bullet in the face. If they want war give it to them, and make sure every single IS cretin from man to woman to child is eradicated.

    Christ almighty. There's knee jerk reaction and there's this absolute shíte. Just think about that for a minute. You want someone like the Irish Army sent around a load of addresses, just knock on the door, ID checked and shoot a person in the face for just thinking something?


  • #3545
    Deep Six
    Closed Accounts Posts: 228 ✭✭Deep Six


    Cienciano wrote: »
    Christ almighty. There's knee jerk reaction and there's this absolute shíte. Just think about that for a minute. You want someone like the Irish Army sent around a load of addresses, just knock on the door, ID checked and shoot a person in the face for just thinking something?

    Absolutely. Thinking something is what leads to action, which leads to events like last night.


  • #3546
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,041 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Deep Six wrote: »
    Radicalised is radicalised, doesn't matter if they are men, women or children. You either set out to destroy every part of a cancer or you are just wasting your time.

    And this is your opinion as an oncologist?
    Seriously, should all members of the Hitler youth who are still alive be rounded up and killed? Young people have the ability to change.

    Glazers Out!



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  • #3547
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,615 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Deep Six wrote: »
    Not everyone, just everyone in IS strongholds.

    And what about the innocent people who's towns are being occupied in the IS strongholds? Murder them too?


  • #3548
    Tasden
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    In tears after reading that facebook post. How she put that into words I'll never know. Beautiful way with words.


  • #3549
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    I didn't call you moronic, I said the notion in your head is, and that is demonstrably so. Every person who has advocated for us to take in migrants, despite it being in contradiction with our own laws, and then trying to paint the people who oppose such measures as mindless, heartless xenophobes has this high minded, unworkable notion that we shouldn't do anything to restrict this flow of migrants because it's "sectarian" or it's "what the terrorists want".

    You've tried painting me as a sectarianist on more than one occasion, so don't sit there and try to "u mad bro?" like someone from 9Gag in 2009.

    I questioned you.

    That's it.

    I never said you were xenophobic, sectarianist or any thing else so don't go projecting that one onto me.

    This is a discussion board - You said 'x' I asked what about 'y'. That's it. That is how discussions work.

    I am not the one who described anyone else's ideas as 'moronic' - in fact I have not made one single personal comment about any poster or their ideas including you. I make it a rule not to indulge in name calling or sly digs or presuming to know what other people think as that has no place in an adult discussion. I prefer to ask people straight out what they think/suggest and then explore where that could possibly lead. It is hardly my fault if this makes you uncomfortable but that really is no excuse for you to be aggressive towards someone who has not been aggressive to you.

    You are the one claiming to know what is in my mind and what I think - and you are completely wrong. Ironic that someone who is objecting to what they perceive as an unfair judgement upon them openly indulges in such blatant judgement themselves.


  • #3550
    Deep Six
    Closed Accounts Posts: 228 ✭✭Deep Six


    tigger123 wrote: »
    And what about the innocent people who's towns are being occupied in the IS strongholds? Murder them too?

    Collateral damage. Unless you believe a protracted war with boots on the ground is a viable option, then levelling these places is as good an option as any.


  • #3551
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,041 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    We are not worth attacking. The only way Irish people will get killed if by hard luck they happen to be abroad when the extremists main targets are.

    We would be a very soft target and they would probably kill more people in Ireland than they could manage in a better equipped country. These people are animals so you can't rule out their ability and desire to attack Ireland.

    Glazers Out!



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  • #3552
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,615 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Deep Six wrote: »
    Collateral damage. Unless you believe a protracted war with boots on the ground is a viable option, then levelling these places is as good an option as any.

    G'night!


  • #3553
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,041 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Deep Six wrote: »
    Collateral damage. Unless you believe a protracted war with boots on the ground is a viable option, then levelling these places is as good an option as any.

    Rules of engagement?

    Glazers Out!



  • #3554
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,501 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    If they created such a fuss over Irish road deaths it would be great. They have hit a similar figure for a year of road deaths in Ireland in one night of murder in Paris.http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Road-Safety/Our-Research/Deaths-injuries-on-Irish-roads/

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #3555
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,153 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Deep Six wrote: »
    Absolutely. Thinking something is what leads to action, which leads to events like last night.

    So I can go to the police and say "That Deep Six guy next door to me, he's being shouting allahu akbar and saying that ISIS have a point, western life is not what Allah wants", you get a bullet to the face? No legal process, no red tape as you said?


  • #3556
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Read their own answers. I see no reason to believe they are lying. I posted their statement earlier.

    Are they saying that this is revenge for the papal Crusades and the ongoing intervention in muslim countries?


  • #3557
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    If they created such a fuss over Irish road deaths it would be great. They have hit a similar figure for a year of road deaths in Ireland in one night of murder in Paris.http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Road-Safety/Our-Research/Deaths-injuries-on-Irish-roads/

    You know the difference between year and day, right? The difference between accidents and concentrated, coldblooded, terrorising murder?


  • #3558
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,205 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Cienciano wrote: »
    Christ almighty. There's knee jerk reaction and there's this absolute shíte. Just think about that for a minute. You want someone like the Irish Army sent around a load of addresses, just knock on the door, ID checked and shoot a person in the face for just thinking something?

    Absolutely not. .45 ACP in the heart, this face business is too messy and would render them unrecognizable when they're dropped back home. And I do mean "dropped". "ID checked", meh, maybe, bit too easy to forge these things. And no, I wouldn't expect the "Irish Army" to do it.


  • #3559
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    Deep Six wrote: »
    Collateral damage. Unless you believe a protracted war with boots on the ground is a viable option, then levelling these places is as good an option as any.

    Do you realise you are the exactly the kind of action hero they want to anger.


  • #3560
    nxbyveromdwjpg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    Deep Six wrote: »
    Absolutely. Thinking something is what leads to action, which leads to events like last night.

    Paradoxically you've engaged in a thoughtcrime yourself there right now, by suggesting the doorstep murder policy.

    Careful..


  • #3561
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    This will be a mind **** for some here....

    Dutch politician (via google translate, didnt feel like translating myself only changed that where the translation failed)
    "I am not a military strategist, but as a mayor I say it's time to get those 40,000 to 50,000 people who have joined IS swept of the face of the earth," said Rotterdam mayor Aboutaleb in a response to the attacks in Paris.

    According Aboutaleb are members of IS "for some people elsewhere in the world, a symbol of something." Only when they are gone, so does the problem, says Aboutaleb.

    'Muslim community must speak out'

    Rotterdam mayor stressed that the Muslim community must make themselves heard. "Because these events are turning primarily against Muslims in Europe. In my view, all peace-loving Muslims in Europe here have to stand firm against it."

    Mayor Aboutaleb in conversation with representatives of the Muslim community
    After the attack on Charlie Hebdo said the Muslim community, according Aboutaleb wondering if she was not seen as responsible. "That they are absolutely not," he says. "But the impact of these attacks is so great that it is important that the community stronger than ever lets hear from themselves.

    That is Ahmed Aboutaleb, mayor of Rotterdam.

    There have been people here basically saying the same thing and they got abuse for it from the usual suspects.

    For those suspects, if you want me to get the guys email address so you can sent him a strongly worded email, let me know.


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  • #3562
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,145 ✭✭✭threeball


    Deep Six wrote: »
    Not everyone, just everyone in IS strongholds.

    Go watch some documentaries with reporters who got access to Isis on Youtube. Just take a look at these little kids who haven't a clue whats going on being prompted by their father or uncle cluelessly trying to repeat some rubbish idealogy while stumbling their way through. Kids haven't a clue and will do what they're told. Im a pretty hard nosed person but bombing children isn't acceptable on any level.


  • #3563
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    If they created such a fuss over Irish road deaths it would be great. They have hit a similar figure for a year of road deaths in Ireland in one night of murder in Paris.http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Road-Safety/Our-Research/Deaths-injuries-on-Irish-roads/
    Big difference, the deaths on the roads was as usually a result of unintended consequences of the actions of a motorist, what happened in Paris was a deliberate action to kill as many as possible before being killed or committing suicide.


  • #3564
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    We are not worth attacking. The only way Irish people will get killed if by hard luck they happen to be abroad when the extremists main targets are.

    Isis are not at war with the sovereign states of europe, they are at war with all non muslims untill they are the only faith and rule the world


  • #3565
    Gbear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    threeball wrote: »
    Just wait two years, then you'll see what the risk was and if it was worth it.

    Will we?

    If there are no more terrorist attacks but we've provided refuge for a million desperate people is that a success?

    Or if there's one, but nobody was killed?

    Or 3000 people are killed in 50 seperate attacks?

    What's the calculation going on here? How much good do we have to do to make up for the loss of life we're going to face?

    The issue is that I don't think anyone is actually considering this problem with the refugees in this context.

    Whether they're ignoring the social issues that might be raised by bringing this number of foreign and quite alien people into our society and branding any dissent as racist, or they've already made up their mind that it shouldn't be allowed and then pretend like it's really a security issue - a disingenuous argument to be making when they don't accept the humanitarian justification in the first place ("if only they weren't bombing us we'd take them in a heartbeat!").


  • #3566
    Fleawuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    Are they saying that this is revenge for the papal Crusades and the ongoing intervention in muslim countries?

    Read the statement!


  • #3567
    Red21
    Closed Accounts Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Red21


    Deep Six wrote: »
    Collateral damage. Unless you believe a protracted war with boots on the ground is a viable option, then levelling these places is as good an option as any.
    Your aggression shows how afraid you are, you want thousands of innocent people killed to help you deal with your fear of IS


  • #3568
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Read the statement!

    I did, twice. It's not really very clear.


  • #3569
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Q1 Why did several people murder many French people in Paris last night and subsequently commit suicide?
    A. They believe it is their duty to an imaginary person to do so to promote belief in that imaginary person
    Q2. Why above?
    A. They are influenced by the fictional stories of a man that lived 1500 years ago
    Q3. Why above?
    A. They are the product of a backward and unevolved culture which is lagging the rest of the world by over 500 years
    Q4. Why above?
    A. That culture has its roots in a part of the world that was historically very poor and without natural resources for its general population to have the resources to be educated beyond superstition
    Q5. Why above?
    A. Its a desert.


    For example.


  • #3570
    bb12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭bb12


    what still doesn't make sense to me in all this refugee crisis over the past year and particularly over the summer months is how european leaders just let their borders fall without any debate. it just doesn't make any logical sense to me at all. for the past 20 years we were all led to believe we lived in "fortress europe", impossible to get into to and even difficult when you had a valid work visa. for the past 15 years we have all been subject to excruciating airport checks and intrusive airport scanners as we were all viewed as potential threats at borders of each country. any irish who ever travelled from london to dublin through heathrow were often treated more harshly than normal.

    now people try to convince me that european leaders, led by merkel, suddenly woke up one spring morning earlier this year and had a sudden attack of conscience and decided it was their moral duty to let all and sundry in without any checks whatsoever?? i watched all summer in disbelief as these roaming bands of unknowns just walked across borders all over the continent without every really being challenged.

    ok so, let the leaders have moral consciences if they want but let them do it in a controlled manner. pump money into the proper refugee camps in lebanon and jordan to keep them open and then take the proper time to investigate every claim of asylum before deciding to admit them into a western country.

    now i know our leaders are not stupid which is what the baying crowd seem to be roaring, so this leads me to wonder what the hell is really going on and what is the real agenda behind these days events? the only logical arguments i've seen on this so far that i can relate to is that it's a ploy to introduce civil unrest here in the west and undermine our societal democratic rights as they stand today. people will now easily accept more military intervention on the streets of europe, i already here calls for internment, if some politician suggests bugging of all phones and internet from now on in, they will have public support because people now have fear in their hearts...but what happens in a few years when that fear dies down but we're still left with big brother watching and listening to our every move? what will happen with our free speech...what will happen when we start to criticise our leaders in the future?


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  • #3571
    Voltex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭Voltex


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Q1 Why did several people murder many French people in Paris last night and subsequently commit suicide?
    A. They believe it is their duty to an imaginary person to do so to promote belief in that imaginary person
    Q2. Why above?
    A. They are influenced by the fictional stories of a man that lived 1500 years ago
    Q3. Why above?
    A. They are the product of a backward and unevolved culture which is lagging the rest of the world by over 500 years
    Q4. Why above?
    A. That culture has its roots in a part of the world that was historically very poor and without natural resources for its general population to have the resources to be educated beyond superstition
    Q5. Why above?
    A. Its a desert.


    For example.

    A complete summary in 500 words..priceless!!


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