Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

nxbyveromdwjpg · 14-11-2015 10:11PM

conorhal wrote: »

Why are you so eager to ensure Jack gets blown up by a suicide bomber..

These sort of bull**** responses do nothing at all for your argument, they just look childish and dumb

darkpagandeath · 14-11-2015 10:12PM

Rubber_Soul wrote: »

You don't understand the concept of freedom of speech.

Technically we don't have Freedom of speech in Ireland. For one we have archaic blasphemy laws.

Bannasidhe · 14-11-2015 10:12PM

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Remember all those months ago when we said this lackadaisical approach your side proposed to the migrant crisis would lead to ISIS fighters getting into Europe? I sure as fúck do.

You think they weren't some all ready here?

Do you think honestly think keeping all the refugees out will stop even one determined ISIS martyr wannabe from finding a way??

Drugs get in....landing someone along a deserted bit of coastline wouldn't be that difficult.

False Passports are not hard to get - ask the Israeli's they are experts on the old Irish passports.

IrishTrajan · 14-11-2015 10:12PM

conorhal wrote: »

I also seem to remember that ISIS quite blatantly SAID the would be sending terrorists amongst the refugees.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/isis-smuggler-we-will-use-refugee-crisis-to-infiltrate-west/

Well, obviously they were lying and if we stop them coming in, we're just doing what the terrorists want. :pac:

ghostdancer · 14-11-2015 10:13PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

What?? What about planes being blown up in Egypt or suicide bombings in Turkey or bombing in Bangkok or car bombings in Beirut or the daily crap in Syria. All happening and all at the hands of Islamists. You must be living under a rock.

apart from Syria which is a war-zone, none of those are daily occurrences.
outside of conflict-areas, attacks are incredibly rare, even in overwhelmingly Muslim areas.

ThunbergsAreGo · 14-11-2015 10:13PM

ghostdancer wrote: »

yeah, pretty much eradicated :rolleyes:

That Ireland figure can't be right

cloudatlas · 14-11-2015 10:13PM

conorhal wrote: »

I also seem to remember that ISIS quite blatantly SAID the would be sending terrorists amongst the refugees.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/isis-smuggler-we-will-use-refugee-crisis-to-infiltrate-west/

Isis has a lot of foreign fighters who traveled to Syria to fight. Isis are up against it now with the air strikes from Syrian army and Russia etc., so that is why this is happening now. It is highly unlikely that they are sending Isis members on refugee boats, much more likely that they are contacting members who traveled from EU to fight in Syria and subsequently returned to Europe.

darkpagandeath · 14-11-2015 10:13PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

It doesn't matter what he was killing in the name of, the fact is he was carrying out a terrorist attack.

I'm sure no one ever brought up the fact anders breivik was Christian to say Christians do terrible things ever....

redarmy · 14-11-2015 10:16PM

BREAKING: Armed police clear Paris hotel and underground station near Eiffel Tower

bb12 · 14-11-2015 10:16PM

ghostdancer wrote: »

apart from Syria which is a war-zone, none of those are daily occurrences.
outside of conflict-areas, attacks are incredibly rare, even in overwhelmingly Muslim areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

kleefarr · 14-11-2015 10:17PM

Good idea, but not everyone will listen to it...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/earthnews/9815862/Humans-are-plague-on-Earth-Attenborough.html

Ace2007 · 14-11-2015 10:17PM

conorhal wrote: »

I also seem to remember that ISIS quite blatantly SAID the would be sending terrorists amongst the refugees.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/isis-smuggler-we-will-use-refugee-crisis-to-infiltrate-west/

I've had enough, this thread is just going round in circles, it seems l Like folk just don't want anyone coming to our country regardless of their circumstances and will use this attack for their own points.

One attacker was born in France - he wasn't smuggled in a refugee or anything but let's not that stand in the way of an arugments.

ghostdancer · 14-11-2015 10:17PM

naughtb4 wrote: »

That Ireland figure can't be right

er, well it is, have another one:

but yeah, pretty much eradicated.....

IrishTrajan · 14-11-2015 10:17PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

It doesn't matter what he was killing in the name of, the fact is he was carrying out a terrorist attack.

Of course it matters. Context is key. Without it, you won't come up with any workable solution. The guy also had likely had dark hair, does that make dark haired people more likely to carry out terrorist attacks? That is how nonsensical your argument is. They did not commit atrocities in the name of France, the fact he is a French national is just happen-stance. He committed it in the name of Islam.

And yes, if French nationals are statistically more likely to conduct terrorist activities than others, we should of course impose security checks on them and keep them under surveillance. That's common sense. What you are trying to argue is insane.

darkpagandeath · 14-11-2015 10:18PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

I've had enough, this thread is just going round in circles, it seems l Like folk just don't want anyone coming to our country regardless of their circumstances and will use this attack for their own points.

One attacker was born in France - he wasn't smuggled in a refugee or anything but let's not that stand in the way of an arugments.

Where were the other 7 from ?

smash · 14-11-2015 10:18PM

ghostdancer wrote: »

if those figures were even remotely true, we'd have attacks ever single day of the week all across the world, not least in Europe.
they're complete bullsh1t.

Did you watch the video that was shared earlier?

https://youtu.be/Ry3NzkAOo3s

I'd say the figures are very true.

ghostdancer · 14-11-2015 10:19PM

bb12 wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

thanks for this, completely backs up my point.

Ace2007 · 14-11-2015 10:19PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Where were the other 7 from ?

2 were belgium citizens, 1 was a refugee, and i have heard no other information about the rest.

My name is URL · 14-11-2015 10:19PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

One attacker was born in France - he wasn't smuggled in a refugee or anything but let's not that stand in the way of an arugments.

I doubt that will make any difference to how people are reacting. A number in this thread have already said that all muslims should be deported or worse, regardless of where they were born or came from

petrolcan · 14-11-2015 10:20PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You mean like every person in a boat is a Refugee fleeing death ?

Where the f*** did I say that?

I'm bowing out of this thread before I say something that lands me on the naughty step.

IrishTrajan · 14-11-2015 10:20PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

You think they weren't some all ready here?

So, if some are already here, we shouldn't even bother trying to stop more of them getting here?

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Do you think honestly think keeping all the refugees out will stop even one determined ISIS martyr wannabe from finding a way??

I'm not advocating we turn them all away. What I am advocating is that we have stringent security checks and immediately deport those who fail to meet the criteria, none of this appeal after appeal nonsense.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Drugs get in....landing someone along a deserted bit of coastline wouldn't be that difficult.

If landing someone on a bit of coastline isn't that hard, why are we worried about sinking boats in the Mediterranean?

Bannasidhe wrote: »

False Passports are not hard to get - ask the Israeli's they are experts on the old Irish passports.

Yeah, because the average person has the same ability as Israeli intelligence services. :rolleyes:

Custardpi · 14-11-2015 10:21PM

I don't always agree with Nick Cohen. Even by his own logic he got the Iraq war badly wrong, though I believe he did so with the best of intentions. However his article today in The Guardian is a decent one, which lays out the challenges ahead of France & Europe in the wake of this atrocity, particularly for those who seek to dismiss any security concerns & potential integration problems as "moral panic" or "racist".

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/14/after-paris-attacks-europe-never-same-terrorism

My name is URL · 14-11-2015 10:21PM

redarmy wrote: »

BREAKING: Armed police clear Paris hotel and underground station near Eiffel Tower

False alert

The Sky News hacks look heartbroken

yosser hughes · 14-11-2015 10:21PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

I've had enough, this thread is just going round in circles, it seems l Like folk just don't want anyone coming to our country regardless of their circumstances and will use this attack for their own points.

One attacker was born in France - he wasn't smuggled in a refugee or anything but let's not that stand in the way of an arugments.

You have failed miserably to have any or even glean insight at all. Well done.

conorhal · 14-11-2015 10:22PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

I've had enough, this thread is just going round in circles, it seems l Like folk just don't want anyone coming to our country regardless of their circumstances and will use this attack for their own points.

One attacker was born in France - he wasn't smuggled in a refugee or anything but let's not that stand in the way of an arugments.

The only people going round in circles are those attempting to avoid the truth because they're spinning so hard.
The very straight line from point A to point B however is pretty obvious BTW a second suspect has been identified as having a Syrian passport on him. Three more from Belgium but not born there. Dot. Dot. Dot.

corner of hells · 14-11-2015 10:24PM

conorhal wrote: »

The only people going round in circles are those attempting to avoid the truth. The very straight line from point A to point B is pretty obvious BTW a second suspect has been identified as having a Syrian passport on him. Three more from Belgium but not born there. Dot. Dot. Dot.

Not Dot Cotton.

namloc1980 · 14-11-2015 10:24PM

ghostdancer wrote: »

apart from Syria which is a war-zone, none of those are daily occurrences.
outside of conflict-areas, attacks are incredibly rare, even in overwhelmingly Muslim areas.

Incredibly rare?? The Paris attacks yesterday, Beirut bombing a couple of days ago, Egypt plane bombing a couple of weeks ago! And these are just the big ones. Numerous attacks happen all over the world on a daily basis. In the last couple of weeks there have been car bombings in Bangladesh, Nigeria and Somalia. Suicide bombings in Chad and Mali. All claimed and perpetrated by Islamist extremists. You won't find these incidents reported but they are very real. Not so "extremely" rare as you put it.

namloc1980 · 14-11-2015 10:31PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

2 were belgium citizens, 1 was a refugee, and i have heard no other information about the rest.

Greeks saying a second one probably came in via Greece as well.

Orangebrigade · 14-11-2015 10:33PM

I was hoping Hollande would resign after overseeing two huge terrorist incidents in one year.

ghostdancer · 14-11-2015 10:34PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Incredibly rare?? The Paris attacks yesterday, Beirut bombing a couple of days ago, Egypt plane bombing a couple of weeks ago! And these are just the big ones. Numerous attacks happen all over the world on a daily basis. In the last couple of weeks there have been car bombings in Bangladesh, Nigeria and Somalia. Suicide bombings in Chad and Mali. All claimed and perpetrated by Islamist extremists. You won't find these incidents reported but they are very real. Not so "extremely" rare as you put it.

the link above shows that they are indeed rare. 27 in 5 months, the overwhelming majority in Middle Eastern and north African conflict areas.
numerous attacks don't happen on a daily basis whatsoever, let alone throughout the rest of the world where tens, if not hundreds of millions of Muslims live.

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