Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

conorhal · 14-11-2015 09:31PM

Icepick wrote: »

Revelation 2:22-23

Yeah, well when people start quoting it before blowing themselves up, then I'll begin to worry about it. Otherwise it's just facetious whataboutery.

BlaasForRafa · 14-11-2015 09:34PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Quit having digs at people for asking perfectly valid questions because you don't like the implication of some of the possible answers.

I asked the question - and then I responded to posts like this which accused me of conspiracy by repeating my original question and now I'm implying there is a conspiracy.. wow... such an insight you have.

Is everyone else who asks awkward questions to wear a tin foil hat too?

You know who else dismisses those who ask awkward questions?

ISIS... see - they really are taking over Europe one closed unquestioning mind at a time. Questions will be forbidden in the new un PC Europe you mark my words.

I'll be ok though cos my tinfoil hat will protect me.

The "I'm just asking a question" is the oldest CT trick in the book. You know what you're doing, you're trying to put out the seeds of a CT and deflect away from the most likely explanation without explicitly coming out with your own narrative. People who've been around Boards long enough have seen this done time and time again so you might think you're being clever but you're just repeating old tactics.

captbarnacles · 14-11-2015 09:34PM

Re passports

All the mumbai terrorists had fake passports but LET did not want their hand in it known and that doesn't seem to be the case here

Also, they would need those passports if the operation was cancelled for some reason

ghostdancer · 14-11-2015 09:36PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Muslims breed extremists though. Its a religion with a seriously problematic extremist tendency.
If Muslims arent the enemy, Islam certainly is.

ah yes, all those 1.6 billion Muslims in the world :rolleyes:

conorhal · 14-11-2015 09:36PM

Uncle Ben wrote: »

Polish EU minister has no bother linking last night's massacre with ISIS terrorists and refugee crisis. He has no qualms with demanding full control of who and how many enters his country. He has now refused all entry to any of the 160,000 refugees who were supposed to be dispersed amongst Europe. Our ministers should take a look at this course of action.

That's because he's not a moron. meanwhile we get Enda Kenny.

ghostdancer · 14-11-2015 09:38PM

Uncle Ben wrote: »

Polish EU minister has no bother linking last night's massacre with ISIS terrorists and refugee crisis. He has no qualms with demanding full control of who and how many enters his country. He has now refused all entry to any of the 160,000 refugees who were supposed to be dispersed amongst Europe. Our ministers should take a look at this course of action.

and then what? fully realise the complete stupidity of it?

cloudatlas · 14-11-2015 09:38PM

I think we should all change our facebook profile pictures to the Iraqi flag.

"Nobody in the outside world paid much attention to the thousands of Iraqi Shia who were killed then and have gone on dying because of Isis terrorist bombings in Iraq. The number of civilians killed in Iraq jumped from 4,623 in 2012 to 9,473 in 2013 and to 17,045 in 2014, according to Iraqi Body Count, an independent website; a high proportion of these killed were Shia victims of Isis bombers and executioners. This savagery is now being repeated in the streets of Paris and Ankara, where 102 demonstrators for peace were killed by two suicide bombers on 10 October". -Patrick Cockburn, Irishman and Middle East Correspondent.

Iwasfrozen · 14-11-2015 09:39PM

conorhal wrote: »

That's because he's not a moron. meanwhile we get Enda Kenny.

So you would rather thousands of refugees are turned away because of madmen? That's not very fair is it.

Bannasidhe · 14-11-2015 09:39PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

The "I'm just asking a question" is the oldest CT trick in the book. You know what you're doing, you're trying to put out the seeds of a CT and deflect away from the most likely explanation without explicitly coming out with your own narrative. People who've been around Boards long enough have seen this done time and time again so you might think you're being clever but you're just repeating old tactics.

Now who is seeing conspiracies eh.

darkpagandeath · 14-11-2015 09:42PM

Icepick wrote: »

Revelation 2:22-23
Matthew 10:28
Matthew 10:34-36
Matthew 13:41-42, 50
...

To be fair most of the Bibles are totally fictional. Not like they are reporting on a historical figure. Well yes there was a Jesus but he could not do magic.

BlaasForRafa · 14-11-2015 09:42PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Now who is seeing conspiracies eh.

Pointing out something that actually is happening isn't a conspiracy theory. Now go back under your bridge.

Bannasidhe · 14-11-2015 09:43PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Pointing out something that actually is happening isn't a conspiracy. Now go back under your bridge.

Should I take my tin foil hat?

The Rape of Lucretia · 14-11-2015 09:44PM

ghostdancer wrote: »

ah yes, all those 1.6 billion Muslims in the world :rolleyes:

Exactly. Sure is a whopping big problem when you put it like that.

ziggyman17 · 14-11-2015 09:45PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

So you would rather thousands of refugees are turned away because of madmen? That's not very fair is it.

We can not look after our own, so I don't see how or why we should be taking in refugees........

Uncle Ben · 14-11-2015 09:46PM

ghostdancer wrote: »

and then what? fully realise the complete stupidity of it?

As opposed to the stupidity of providing a shuttle service from north Africa for refugees / asylum seekers from Syria Mali Eritrea Nigeria Libya and Senegal. I prefer the Polish option.

conorhal · 14-11-2015 09:47PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

So you would rather thousands of refugees are turned away because of madmen? That's not very fair is it.

The world isn't 'fair'. So I honestly couldn't give a $h1t. The problems of the entire world aren't mine, thus I've no desire to make them so.

ghostdancer · 14-11-2015 09:49PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Exactly. Sure is a whopping big problem when you put it like that.

well no, it just highlights how small a problem it is.

petrolcan · 14-11-2015 09:49PM

conorhal wrote: »

The world isn't 'fair'. So I honestly couldn't give a $h1t. The problems of the entire world aren't mine.

I'm alright Jack.

namloc1980 · 14-11-2015 09:51PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

So you would rather thousands of refugees are turned away because of madmen? That's not very fair is it.

The refugees are coming from Turkey where they are safe and have protection. Many hundreds of thousands have decided to leave there and come to Europe as migrants and obviously see Europe as somewhere they can prosper. No problem on a basic level with that. I'd probably do the same myself. But we have laws and processes for dealing with migrants and asylum seekers, however our political class have decided to ignore that and open the gates to whoever wants to come in.

Iwasfrozen · 14-11-2015 09:51PM

ziggyman17 wrote: »

We can not look after our own, so I don't see how or why we should be taking in refugees........

we can sufficiently look after our own. We take in refugees in order to protect them from war in their own country. Though I do agree we shouldn't take in anyone who leaves a safe country to come here.

conorhal wrote: »

The world isn't 'fair'. So I honestly couldn't give a $h1t. The problems of the entire world aren't mine.

You're right, the problems of the entire world aren't yours. No one is asking you to take in a refugee though. The government will be doing that with state money.

ghostdancer · 14-11-2015 09:51PM

Uncle Ben wrote: »

As opposed to the stupidity of providing a shuttle service from north Africa for refugees / asylum seekers from Syria Mali Eritrea Nigeria Libya and Senegal. I prefer the Polish option.

well no, because that isn't an opposing option.
both are completely retarded options and ideas and only put forward by complete idiots who clearly either have no idea what they're talking about, or ulterior motives.

Ace2007 · 14-11-2015 09:52PM

ziggyman17 wrote: »

We can not look after our own, so I don't see how or why we should be taking in refugees........

Society won't allow us to look after our own, which is different than saying we can't - a simple example - DCC bought Longfields Hotel in Dublin - and the Dublin simon community wanted to use it for homeless shelter - guess what happened - there were tonnes of objections.

Iwasfrozen · 14-11-2015 09:52PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

The refugees are coming from Turkey where they are safe and have protection. Many hundreds of thousands have decided to leave there and come to Europe as migrants and obviously see Europe as somewhere they can prosper. No problem on a basic level with that. I'd probably do the same myself. But we have laws and processes for dealing with migrants and asylum seekers, however our political class have decided to ignore that and open the gates to whoever wants to come in.

I have a big problem with it. By right we should turn away any refugee who passes a safe country to be here.

darkpagandeath · 14-11-2015 09:54PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

we can sufficiently look after our own. We take in refugees in order to protect them from war in their own country. Though I do agree we shouldn't take in anyone who leaves a safe country to come here.

You're right, the problems of the entire world aren't yours. No one is asking you to take in a refugee though. The government will be doing that with state money.

Cool, So I expect the Foreign aid budget to be Reduced in line with the cost of providing shelter and services for those we take in yes ?

namloc1980 · 14-11-2015 09:54PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I have a big problem with it. By right we should turn away any refugee who passes a safe country to be here.

That's what I said.

BlaasForRafa · 14-11-2015 09:54PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You're right, the problems of the entire world aren't yours. No one is asking you to take in a refugee though. The government will be doing that with state money.

If a "refugee" comes to this country and gets radicalised, or is already radicalised and is coming to europe with the intention to cause violence, then it is a potential problem for anyone in this country.

IrishTrajan · 14-11-2015 09:54PM

ghostdancer wrote: »

ah yes, all those 1.6 billion Muslims in the world :rolleyes:

Islam does have a disproportionately high number of terrorists, and Islamic countries do have a worrying number of people who support these radical groups.

If even 10% of Muslims (Pew polls put the figure much, much higher) are radicalists or sympathetic to radicalists, that's 160 million people we have to worry about. If even 1% of those are willing to kill for Islam, that's 1.6 million people we have to worry about.

That's what, 0.001%? Assuming even 0.001% of Muslims coming into Europe are extremists, that's 1500 people.

We've seen what 8 of them could do in Paris last night. We need stringent security checks of all migrants coming to Europe, and the immediate deportation of those who fail to meet the criteria. We can't waste time and resources, this is a clear and present danger to the structure and survival of Europe.

conorhal · 14-11-2015 09:56PM

petrolcan wrote: »

I'm alright Jack.

And would like to continue to be so. Why are you so eager to ensure Jack gets blown up by a suicide bomber because you suffer from some kind of irrational emotional incontinence?

Uncle Ben · 14-11-2015 09:56PM

ghostdancer wrote: »

well no, because that isn't an opposing option.
both are completely retarded options and ideas and only put forward by complete idiots who clearly either have no idea what they're talking about, or ulterior motives.

Well here's the option I favour. Actually it's Cameron's. No refugees are accepted from Europe but are actually vetted in reception centres in Africa. And naval vessels tow the refugees back to Libyan ports rather than tow them into Europe. And no status is afforded to those who cannot prove their identity.

ghostdancer · 14-11-2015 09:57PM

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Islam does have a disproportionately high number of terrorists, and Islamic countries do have a worrying number of people who support these radical groups.

If even 10% of Muslims (Pew polls put the figure much, much higher) are radicalists or sympathetic to radicalists, that's 160 million people we have to worry about. If even 1% of those are willing to kill for Islam, that's 1.6 million people we have to worry about.

That's what, 0.001%? Assuming even 0.001% of Muslims coming into Europe are extremists, that's 1500 people.

We've seen what 8 of them could do in Paris last night. We need stringent security checks of all migrants coming to Europe, and the immediate deportation of those who fail to meet the criteria. We can't waste time and resources, this is a clear and present danger to the structure and survival of Europe.

if those figures were even remotely true, we'd have attacks ever single day of the week all across the world, not least in Europe.
they're complete bullsh1t.

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