Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

namloc1980 · 14-11-2015 07:25PM

fr336 wrote: »

Agreed, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq wiped terrorism from those countries and made us all safer. Well, if you're an American...and weren't at the Boston marathon.

Maybe if we just ignore them they'll go away?

Chris_Bradley · 14-11-2015 07:26PM

Response to do this from France will be to go to war. These lads are getting out of control now..... Public are being murdered in their droves and I fear this is only the start of it.

Evil, Evil people.

Bannasidhe · 14-11-2015 07:27PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Is it all a conspiracy??

I have no idea.

I am just genuinely perplexed at how two legible passports could end up lying near their presumed owners after these presumed owners blew themselves up.

One... mebbe... but two?

How does that happen?

Isaiah · 14-11-2015 07:27PM

My name is URL wrote: »

What's right-wing about a vociferously old fashioned and socially conservative movement ruled by a strictly male only team from one of the richest states in the world?

Gee, I dunno

I am talking about Christianity as a theology. Not the Vatican or any other organisation.

Christianity is very much left wing. Anyway, I will not comment about it anymore here.

Shurimgreat · 14-11-2015 07:27PM

I think ultimately it was a mistake to allow Syria descend into long term civil war. An effort should have been made early on to bring the conflict to a conclusion. The UN/West failed in this regard and now we have to live with all the consequences. And allowing Assad win was not the answer either, in no way would that encourage many refugees to return, in fact it would have only driven more out as it is today.

Whenever you have someone barrel bombing his people, you are going to have lots of refugees as well as radicalised people.

R P McMurphy · 14-11-2015 07:27PM

rafatoni wrote: »

Did he say that? Jaysus wept. Hes a moron.

If he was honest with hhimself he would have to admit that has been assaulting music for the last few decades himself

Custardpi · 14-11-2015 07:30PM

Chris_Bradley wrote: »

Response to do this from France will be to go to war. These lads are getting out of control now..... Public are being murdered in their droves and I fear this is only the start of it.

Evil, Evil people.

What will "war" actually mean though? Where exactly will they attack & whose side will they be on? Current Western alliances really don't make a lot of sense in the face of the threat from Jihadists. Failure to acknowledge this & just launching into a series of bombings "pour la gloire de la France" or whatever will do little to resolve the situation.

strangel00p · 14-11-2015 07:30PM

Chris_Bradley wrote: »

Response to do this from France will be to go to war. These lads are getting out of control now..... Public are being murdered in their droves and I fear this is only the start of it.

Evil, Evil people.

Go to war with who exactly? A Conventional military response is useless and pointless in this situation.

Isaiah · 14-11-2015 07:30PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I have no idea.

I am just genuinely perplexed at how two legible passports could end up lying near their presumed owners after these presumed owners blew themselves up.

One... mebbe... but two?

How does that happen?

I would imagine they drop them specifically as a fook you to the west.

Isis said they would send in terrorists with the refugees. No great mystery around it.

faral · 14-11-2015 07:32PM

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/breaking-paris-isis-terrorist-registered-as-refugee-on-leros-island-in-greece-in-october/
welcome to the real world. Thank you frau Merkel.

Bannasidhe · 14-11-2015 07:32PM

smash wrote: »

Seems that way. A recognisable martyr

Where is the video then?

Isn't there usually a video where the prospective martyr throws some shapes and spouts some rhetoric?

Seems a strange way to look for 15 minutes of fame. One couldn't be sure that the passports wouldn't be damaged in the explosion or sent flying...

nxbyveromdwjpg · 14-11-2015 07:33PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

The reports I am reading don't say it was found on anyone. What I am reading says a Syrian and an Egyptian passport were found near the bodies of two suicide bombers.

It's that a bit convenient? Both passports were blown clear but landed nearby?
Or did they carefully place their passports in a safe but close place before blowing themselves up?

It's the same sort of miracle as the hijackers bombproof passport that was mysteriously found in perfect condition the rubble of the twin towers.

Very fishy.

My name is URL · 14-11-2015 07:33PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I have no idea.

I am just genuinely perplexed at how two legible passports could end up lying near their presumed owners after these presumed owners blew themselves up.

One... mebbe... but two?

How does that happen?

A fully intact passport of one of the terrorists was found on the street minutes after the planes hit the twin towers

They make some good tough passports in those ME countries!

Shurimgreat · 14-11-2015 07:35PM

strangel00p wrote: »

Go to war with who exactly? A Conventional military response is useless and pointless in this situation.

The leadership of ISIS need to be taken out. Racca needs to be recaptured, denying them a base of operations. They need to be squeezed on all sides in Syria. These attacks were planned in Syria. Some of the attackers were trained in Syria. Taking out the leadership and particularly the charismatic leader is a good start.

AQ have been relatively non functional at least in terms of attacking the west since Bin Laden was taken out.

But definitely eliminating them from Syria would be a big start.

namloc1980 · 14-11-2015 07:35PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Where is the video then?

Isn't there usually a video where the prospective martyr throws some shapes and spouts some rhetoric?

Seems a strange way to look for 15 minutes of fame. One couldn't be sure that the passports wouldn't be damaged in the explosion or sent flying...

CT forum would be a good place to go.

Fleawuss · 14-11-2015 07:36PM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

If he was honest with hhimself he would have to admit that has been assaulting music for the last few decades himself

Bull****. Musical taste differs. Have a read what the murderers at the Bataclan concert think, in their own words:

"[They also targeted] the Bataclan Conference Center, where hundreds of apostates had gathered in a profligate prostitution party, and other areas in the 10th and 11th and 18th [arrondissements] and in a coordinated fashion. So Paris shook under their feet, and its streets were tight upon them, and the result of the attacks was the death of no less than a hundred Crusaders and the wounding of more. Unto Allah, is all praise and gratitude."

As some wanna be academic will look for a citation here you go:
http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/the-first-of-the-storm-translation-of-islamic-state-statement-after-paris-attacks/

Bono was quite right. It's an attack on music. They attacked a lot else too of course just to keep the idiot pedants shut up.

Bannasidhe · 14-11-2015 07:37PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

CT forum would be a good place to go.

That the best answer you can come up with?

NomadicGray · 14-11-2015 07:38PM

Stheno wrote: »

Well doesn't it allow IS to say that they've carried out their threat to smuggle terrorists via refugee s though

They were saying it before & would have been saying now anyways

Uncle Ben · 14-11-2015 07:38PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Where is the video then?

Isn't there usually a video where the prospective martyr throws some shapes and spouts some rhetoric?

Seems a strange way to look for 15 minutes of fame. One couldn't be sure that the passports wouldn't be damaged in the explosion or sent flying...

You really seem to be hoping against hope that this is all some sort of conspiracy. The Greek public affairs minister confirmed its registration last month . The passport lands beside a dead terrorist after that dead terrorist organisation had previously stated they had infiltrated and used the refugee crisis to get their fighters into Europe. No big conspiracy really.

Nesta99 · 14-11-2015 07:38PM

This is all very tragic! But with arrests at Gatwick, Belgium, Germany last week, Turkey too - these are what we know of. A even more widespread attack on Europe may have been planned with relatively limited success all things considered. This is not to lessen the impact on France and the victims of this attack.

It should be a very considered response to last night by European governments. These attacks dont happen with out an agenda by terrorists, simply the killing of people, creating fear etc is far too simple. Manufacturing a backlash against refugees and Islam in general is on their agenda as both would increase justification of their extremism. It drives a divide in between Islam and other religions which could eventually cause moderate islam to move toward extremism. It was previously mentioned that to have Syrian refugees rebuild their lives happily in the west does not suit the agenda so try to provoke attacks on refugees in reprisal causing refugees to question whether they should have stuck Syria or seek refuge in countries where hostility could spike and rise! Governments and European citizens need to respond in a manner that Islamic extremism dont desire.

Duggy747 · 14-11-2015 07:39PM

smash wrote: »

It's very odd that they'd even be carrying their passports in the first place unless they wanted to be identified

I'm almost sure in France you're supposed to carry ID on you at all times, they could've simply had their passports on them to keep suspicion down if they were stopped along their way.

stefanovich · 14-11-2015 07:40PM

Duggy747 wrote: »

I'm almost sure in France you're supposed to carry ID on you at all times, they could've simply had their passports on them to keep suspicion down if they were stopped along their way.

You are correct.

darkpagandeath · 14-11-2015 07:41PM

Carlee Tart Wedding wrote: »

It's the same sort of miracle as the hijackers bombproof passport that was mysteriously found in perfect condition the rubble of the twin towers.

Very fishy.

Jesus this nonsense again. Take a look at ones passport the material it's made from. It's a small condensed material.

corny · 14-11-2015 07:42PM

lawlolawl wrote: »

Yeah, i always find the response from Islamic representatives to these kind of atrocities to be a bit ..... tepid.

It usually takes the form of "We sympathize with the victims and their families as do all normal Muslims. To be fair though, Western foreign policy is terrible and young Muslims feel disenfranchised so while i'm not saying ye had it coming, what do ye expect?"

I don't find that tepid tbh. Its probably a blunt but accurate description of the situation.

I mean the obvious example is since 2013 France has been sending weapons to Syria. Given the events of the last year its obvious some people have a problem with that.

Honest discourse in France and amongst the Western powers and not the usual rhetoric might might prevent these tragedies from befalling innocent people in future. The line we're fed that 'Jihadists' are attacking the West because they hate democracy or Christianity is ludicrous.

Hotblack Desiato · 14-11-2015 07:43PM

RTE News is overrunning.

The kids want to know when Despicable Me is going to be on

Chris_Bradley · 14-11-2015 07:43PM

Custardpi wrote: »

What will "war" actually mean though? Where exactly will they attack & whose side will they be on? Current Western alliances really don't make a lot of sense in the face of the threat from Jihadists. Failure to acknowledge this & just launching into a series of bombings "pour la gloire de la France" or whatever will do little to resolve the situation.

Completely agree with you but the French public on a whole will demand revenge & unfortunately people will die that really shouldn't.

I just hope this is not used to attack a country and this is used as a cover.

namloc1980 · 14-11-2015 07:45PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

That the best answer you can come up with?

You have no idea what you're on about. Martyrs throwing shapes? What's the basis for your conspiracy theory? You find it incomprehensible that these people had a passport on them? Perhaps they were carrying then to avoid suspicion if stopped.

conorhal · 14-11-2015 07:46PM

Reports now suggest a second Syrian passport has been found on an attacker.

More worrying is the numbers of EU citizens engaged in wars in the Middle East, 250 according to reports, which have returned to France. If you have left to fight your jihad in Syria etc, on your return you should face an automatic life sentence for treason. End of.

Tarzana2 · 14-11-2015 07:46PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

Because of the contribution to peace and the advancement of human civilization by Europeans they are entitled to a higher expectation of safety.

I still don't feel any sadder for anyone dying in France than someone in a less developed part of the world in similar circumstances. The country itself may not want democracy but that says nothing of the wants or views of the civilians that have died. In fact, I'd feel more empathy towards people who have to put up with a lower expectation of safety.

stefanovich · 14-11-2015 07:47PM

Chris_Bradley wrote: »

Completely agree with you but the French public on a whole will demand revenge & unfortunately people will die that really shouldn't.

I just hope this is not used to attack a country and this is used as a cover.

Cover? Are you joking? Isis admitted responsibility for this attack. The only sane response is to do their utmost to destroy them. The west should annihilate these people in Syria and Iraq.

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