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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #2642
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Care to cite a publication which isn't run by right wing nutcases?
    It links to a poll on Al Jazeera. Is that left wing enough for you?


  • #2643
    alchemist33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    ricero wrote: »
    Its time for ireland as a country to fight against isis and our government to help with the fighting by sending irish troops overseas. I feel cowardly that our country are allowing evil like this to exist in the world and not help combat it with our european allies

    When are you volunteering?


  • #2644
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Custardpi wrote: »
    While I certainly sympathise with innocent Muslims the reality is that ISIS/Al Qaeda are not creating their ideology out of nothing. They are Salafists, which means they follow a strictly literal reading of religious texts such as the Koran & Hadith.

    The Westboro Baptist Church, and those who bomb abortion clinics and the like, follow similarly literal readings of Christian texts. Does that make them something for me to be ashamed of, or "my problem", just because I'm also a Christian? F*ck them to hell, but I have no questions whatsoever to answer about their lunacy. It has nothing to do with me.


  • #2645
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭screamer


    itoro wrote: »
    Syrian passport found on body of suicide bomber
    AP is reporting that two French police officials say a Syrian passport was found on the body of one of the suicide bombers l
    thanks itoro for that update.

    Ha who is naive now? Merkels migrants 1. PC bleeding hearts -1. Get used go it.


  • #2646
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    I think part of the problem is that religion is just given far too much respect globally. If someone wants to believe some absolutely nonsensical contradictory fantasy narrative for which there is no evidence, that's fine. But you're not to tell me that I have to "respect" this belief or that I have to worry about offending this belief. And if people want to force me to live under their horseshìt doctrine under pain of death I will fight them with every fibre of my being. Fascism, including religious fascism needs to be exposed, confronted and destroyed.


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  • #2647
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    stefanovich wrote: »
    It links to a poll on Al Jazeera. Is that left wing enough for you?

    Poll options and results are in Arabic which Google won't translate. Where was the poll conducted and what were the results?


  • #2648
    Herb Powell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    stefanovich wrote: »
    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/05/25/shock-poll-81-of-al-jazeera-arabic-poll-respondents-support-isis/

    lol


  • #2649
    TheLastMohican
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭TheLastMohican


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    [citation needed]

    Do you need a fucking citation for everything? Can you not understand that if other Moslems do not come out against these terrorist actions that they are condoning them?
    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    This is the same bullsh!t which leads to men being shamed as a gender because of rapists. And all it ever does is piss off the demographic being attacked with that broad brush.

    Two altogether different things
    Dkinn wrote: »
    I wouldn't go that far but they're certainly not denouncing them.

    And how nobody can denounce the actions that happened last night reflects very VERY badly on their moral code.

    If people do not denounce this kind of thing, by their silence they are giving tacit approval.


  • #2650
    Herb Powell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    TheLastMohican wrote: »
    Do you need a fucking citation for everything? Can you not understand that if other Moslems do not come out against these terrorist actions that they are condoning them?



    Two altogether different things



    If people do not denounce this kind of thing, by their silence they are giving tacit approval.

    That's bullshhit. Total bullshhit.


  • #2651
    Custardpi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    The Westboro Baptist Church, and those who bomb abortion clinics and the like, follow similarly literal readings of Christian texts. Does that make them something for me to be ashamed of, or "my problem", just because I'm also a Christian? F*ck them to hell, but I have no questions whatsoever to answer about their lunacy. It has nothing to do with me.

    You follow the same book, share at least some of the same beliefs. The WBC is merely a somewhat wackier version of mainstream Christianity. Indeed, before secularism managed to rein in the excesses of Christianity in Europe & North America many of the WBC's beliefs would have fitted in reasonably well. How confident are you that your version of Christianity is the true one, rather than that of the WBC?


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  • #2652
    Dkinn
    Site Banned Posts: 16 ✭Dkinn


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    The Westboro Baptist Church, and those who bomb abortion clinics and the like, follow similarly literal readings of Christian texts. Does that make them something for me to be ashamed of, or "my problem", just because I'm also a Christian? F*ck them to hell, but I have no questions whatsoever to answer about their lunacy. It has nothing to do with me.

    I wouldn't be over social media being defensive of Christianity or not supporting that abortion clinic or the victims however.

    If the IRA bombed London tomorrow and killed 120 people, I doubt many Irish people would be like " Irish people are the real victims here due to the backlash", no sorry, if you feel you will feel the backlash due to a bunch of loonys,you condemn the actions and support the victims, not the ideology.


  • #2653
    WheatenBriar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭WheatenBriar


    Custardpi wrote: »
    While I certainly sympathise with innocent Muslims the reality is that ISIS/Al Qaeda are not creating their ideology out of nothing. They are Salafists, which means they follow a strictly literal reading of religious texts such as the Koran & Hadith.

    This is an uncomfortable truth that other Muslims, however innocent, peaceful, tolerant etc they may be have to face up to. The way to victory against the likes of ISIS will involve at least in part (the folly of Western interventionist adventures cannot be ignored) moderate Muslims standing up winning the battle of ideas against the Salafists. I posted this video of one such brave person a while back but here it is again.
    Where in the koran,does it teach young girls to be raped?
    Isis are not a religion, they are a death cult


  • #2654
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,563 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Why would an attacker have a passport on their person while carrying out such an attack?

    ISIS want people in the west to fear refugees in order to suit their own agenda. Bear in mind that they kill anyone they catch trying to flee. They don't want refugees to have an easy life abroad, so they're likely to do all they can to plant seeds of fear and suspicion about migrants in the minds of westerners.


  • #2655
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    The terrorists win when we in the west are not allowed to criticise them, their religion, their way of life and all that they bring to Europe.

    We mustn't allow terrorism stop us from freedom of speech or criticising religions, all religions.


  • #2656
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Negative_G wrote: »
    Below is some new footage that was screened recently on Sky News.

    WARNING: it does show people gravely injured and could be distressing for some.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=86c_1447486084

    He should have put the phone down and helped them


  • #2657
    Paramite Pie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Paramite Pie


    _oveless_ wrote: »
    Can mods please ban people and delete posts criticizing islam? islam is the biggest victim in all this as people will question and make accusations against muslims as well as criticizing multiculturalism, europe is for everyone this will only be solved by MORE diversity not less.

    People's races and religions ultimately don't matter as everyone should be treated equally. Therefore more diversity doesn't really change a damn thing -- it's naive to equate diversity with progressiveness or anything else good or bad.

    Diversity just means everyone patting themselves on the back collectively. Cultures have always mixed.


  • #2658
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Why would an attacker have a passport on their person while carrying out such an attack?

    ISIS want people in the west to fear refugees in order to suit their own agenda. Bear in mind that they kill anyone they catch trying to flee. They don't want refugees to have an easy life abroad, so they're likely to do all they can to plant seeds of fear and suspicion about migrants in the minds of westerners.

    That... or maybe the cùnt was Syrian.


  • #2659
    Kh1993
    Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭Kh1993


    screamer wrote: »
    thanks itoro for that update.

    Ha who is naive now? Merkels migrants 1. PC bleeding hearts -1. Get used go it.

    Latest one identified is French if you want to acknowledge that. I suspect you don't.

    https://twitter.com/tconnellyrte/status/665519791013289985


  • #2660
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    WheatenBriar wrote: »
    Where in the koran,does it teach young girls to be raped?
    Isis are not a religion, they are a death cult

    Muhammad married a 9 year old. You think that was consensual?

    His followers still think he can do no wrong.


  • #2661
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    He should have put the phone down and helped them
    He did shortly after filming and was shot in the arm.


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  • #2662
    donaghs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,939 ✭✭✭donaghs


    _oveless_ wrote: »
    racism is power + privilege

    Ideologic attempt to redefine the meaning of a word. Get a dictionary out.


  • #2663
    RedemptionZ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭RedemptionZ


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    This is the same bullsh!t which leads to men being shamed as a gender because of rapists. And all it ever does is piss off the demographic being attacked with that broad brush.

    How am I attacking the entire religion or tarring anyone with a brush? I've said it many times I'm not anti Islam at all. I actually like a lot of elements from the religion. I'm anti extremism and anti radicalisation. I don't think you understand what I'm saying. If the majority of Muslims(and it is the vast majority)that are peaceful came out and said we want nothing to do with these attacks, these people do not represent our beliefs etc. then people would associate ISIS and other terrorist groups as the minority. At present there is a very passive attitude within the Muslim community towards radicalisation. And it results in a lot of people thinking these innocent and peaceful Muslims share similar beliefs to ISIS. Now while it's wrong and they shouldn't have to clarify it, you can see even in this thread that many people do tar the entire religion with the same brush and if all the peaceful Muslims came out and condemned it this would show solidarity with the west, and there'd be a lot less sticks for the racists to beat them with.

    If there was a racist attack in Ireland by Irish people on an innocent Muslim I would definitely come and out and condemn it and say we're not all like that and please don't judge us all by a few scumbags. I'm saying that the Muslim community should do something like that.


  • #2664
    Custardpi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    WheatenBriar wrote: »
    Where in the koran,does it teach young girls to be raped?
    Isis are not a religion, they are a death cult

    I'm no expert but my understanding is that ISIS behaviour on the battlefield & conquered territory is based on their interpretation of the Hadith as well as accounts from other sources of life at the time of Mohammed.

    The idea that a religon & a "death cult" are mutually exclusive is of course laughable. Look at Christianity for instance - they literally worship a guy who committed suicide by cop in the arrogant belief that this would somehow cleanse the sins of his followers.


  • #2665
    Arne_Saknussem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭Arne_Saknussem


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    He should have put the phone down and helped them

    He did, he was shot in the arm saving one of the people in the alley.


  • #2666
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭screamer


    Well we know how the English treated the Irish they interned anyone Irish they wanted to....... and they got away with it.


  • #2667
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    The Westboro Baptist Church, and those who bomb abortion clinics and the like, follow similarly literal readings of Christian texts. Does that make them something for me to be ashamed of, or "my problem", just because I'm also a Christian? F*ck them to hell, but I have no questions whatsoever to answer about their lunacy. It has nothing to do with me.

    Those who bomb abortion clinics are clearly not taking a literal interpretation of the bible.

    It's important to note that most of the bad stuff that happened in the bible predated Christianity whereas all of the Quran happens at the foundation of the religion.


  • #2668
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    screamer wrote: »
    Well we know how the English treated the Irish they interned anyone Irish they wanted to....... and they got away with it.

    Apparently it worked.


  • #2669
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭screamer


    RedemptionZ wrote: »
    If there was a racist attack in Ireland by Irish people on an innocent Muslim I would definitely come and out and condemn it and say we're not all like that and please don't judge us all by a few scumbags. I'm saying that the Muslim community should do something like that.

    You'll be waiting


  • #2670
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Custardpi wrote: »
    I'm no expert but my understanding is that ISIS behaviour on the battlefield & conquered territory is based on their interpretation of the Hadith as well as accounts from other sources of life at the time of Mohammed.

    The idea that a religon & a "death cult" are mutually exclusive is of course laughable. Look at Christianity for instance - they literally worship a guy who committed suicide by cop in the arrogant belief that this would somehow cleanse the sins of his followers.
    Both faiths are nonsense. Christianity has a past which is drenched in blood. Islam has a present which is drenched in blood. No amount of bringing up the crusades or inquisition changes the fact that the issue right now is fascist murderers operating under the flag of Islam.


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  • #2671
    donaghs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,939 ✭✭✭donaghs


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    The Westboro Baptist Church, and those who bomb abortion clinics and the like, follow similarly literal readings of Christian texts. Does that make them something for me to be ashamed of, or "my problem", just because I'm also a Christian? F*ck them to hell, but I have no questions whatsoever to answer about their lunacy. It has nothing to do with me.

    Why does everyone keep going on about Westboro?!

    Just consider what happened in Paris. Westboro are not nice people but there are less than 40 of them, they're only based on 1 town in one country, and they've never killed anyone. How on earth does that compare with the Paris massacres, or ISIL massacres in the Mideast? Strange to say it, but if would be better if ISIL were more like them


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