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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #2282
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    People justifying this stuff or being an apologist for this kind of murder in anyway need to be be very careful.

    130 innocent people have been murdered on the streets of Paris. Many more in critical condition.

    All this requires in solidarity, outrage and mourning.

    Talk about or even the hint at "comeuppance" for "the west" is sinister and does nothing but enable the murder of your fellow Europeans.


  • #2283
    xzanti
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    My heart goes out to all those who have lost loved ones. I was in bed early and woke to see this all over the news this morning. Twilight zone!

    Just horrific :(


  • #2284
    timthumbni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    A psychologist is on Sky News saying we need to stop apologizing for the terrorists, as it is endulging young Muslims to feel agrieved.

    I have to agree with him. The apologists are helping to radicalise these disaffected youth looking for a cause.

    No doubt on the BBC they are having a panel of "academics" talking about the disenfranchised youth. I had little respect for the BBC before this. I have even less now after watching them last night.

    As for gatwick incident I hope this is just a minor incident or hoax. However the UK and maybe London in particular needs to brace itself for incidents such as last night in Paris. After all they have some supposed places of worship in their capital city and beyond that try to radicalise young men into carrying out such attacks. Madness but the loony left will keep making excuses and the legal profession will no doubt be making hay from the aftermath of all this.


  • #2285
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,153 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Niemoj wrote: »
    I'm not even Christian and even I know that Deuteronomy doesn't apply to Christians. Christ is said to have fulfilled the law of Moses on the Cross.

    But the Bible, like the Qur'an or any holy text really cannot be taken so literally.

    They have to be taken literally. If you put your own meaning on things, whats the point


  • #2286
    Voltex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭Voltex


    freddiek wrote: »
    I saw some dreadful stuff on this thread which even spread elsewhere on Boards.

    the Mods. really need to get it together - people are being pulled up for petty little things and not being allowed post again. Blatant racism which revealed itself last night is the real problem that should be getting their attention.

    Unless you haven't noticed people are extremely angry at what happened in Paris. It's an outright attack not just on the French people but on our European culture, values and freedom. These are fundamental rights that may incite a ruthless defence when threatened.

    I say it's not racism...but a natural reaction to human instinct.


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  • #2287
    whatever_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭whatever_


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    A psychologist is on Sky News saying we need to stop apologizing for the terrorists, as it is endulging young Muslims to feel agrieved.

    I have to agree with him. The apologists are helping to radicalise these disaffected youth looking for a cause.


    I agree - this whole issue boils down to the usual ingredients - inadequate, sexually frustrated young men looking to vent their frustration on society.

    How to deal with it ?
    Proper border controls and security checks in cities ? Yes.
    More economic and social liberalism ? Yes.


  • #2288
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,596 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    unlikely though being an atheist & all.

    I'm just reminding you if you want to sh*t on christianity, at least do so from scriptures of Christ.

    I was asked for where it the bible it stated it, not where in the bible does it state Jesus said it.
    :rolleyes:


  • #2289
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Cabaal wrote: »
    I was asked for where it the bible it stated it, not where in the bible does it state Jesus said it.
    :rolleyes:

    More research.... less emoticons... t'would be a more fruitful use of your time.

    As I said, if you want to vent on christianity, read up on what the big JC had to say himself.
    Give his followers that much respect at least.


  • #2290
    Stealthfins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Stealthfins


    I think France are going to go postal in the middle east,it's too much now.
    I think Tora bora is going to be Disney land compared to France's reaction to this.


  • #2291
    freddiek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 345 ✭✭freddiek


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    People justifying this stuff or being an apologist for this kind of murder in anyway need to be be very careful.

    130 innocent people have been murdered on the streets of Paris. Many more in critical condition.

    All this requires in solidarity, outrage and mourning.

    Talk about or even the hint at "comeuppance" for "the west" is sinister and does nothing but enable the murder of your fellow Europeans.


    I agree.

    its equally wrong to ignore the legacy of the Bush and Blair-led wars which caused tremendous anger in the Muslim world and the events of last night are an indirect result of those misguided and discredited policies.


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  • #2292
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    acb121 wrote: »
    Gawd.

    It must be lovely in Liberal lala land.

    The Koran, Q'ran, Quran, is NOT OUTDATED.

    It is the UNCHANGEABLE, LITERAL word of GOD for ALL TIME.

    It is NOT OUTDATED because it cannot be " updated ".

    So, I'm afraid those normal every day good muslims will be reading about killing the unbeliever for as long as the Koran exists.

    The bit about killing jews is not a " parable ".

    Mohammed himself, you know, Islam's version of Jesus, personally led his followers in beheading 900 jews in a single afternoon. Perhaps he even used one of his 8 swords, including his favourite, " The Cleaver Of Necks ". ( What was Jesus's favourite sword called ? )

    Mohammed himself, , you know, Islam's version of Jesus, personally instructed his followers to rape women who were " unbelievers " and if they felt like it, kidnap them and hold them captive for the single purpose of rape when they felt like using a women for their own self gratification. Mohammed himself personally owned 4 women for that purpose.,

    Mohammed himself, you know, Islam;s version of Jesus, demanded and instructed that anyone who criticised him should be murdered, and he ordered the murder of about 50 of his critics during his lifetime, including poets and artists. And you don't get why Charlie Hebdo happened.

    You are deluded and uniformed and therefore part of the problem with your talk of ordinary " moderate " Islam.

    If they all believe in it, why are so many fleeing. People can be do idiotic. Maybe all the muslims I know are secretly contemplating killing me. Yeah, that's it.

    Ignorance is rife here today. Stay getting angry at the millions that needed help by fkeeing to europe. You are only harming yourself with your anger and hostility.


  • #2293
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Stealthfins wrote: »
    I think France are going to go postal in the middle east,it's too much now.
    I think Tora bora is going to be Disney land compared to France's reaction to this.

    Not a chance.... there will be no such frenzied response.


  • #2294
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    leavingirl wrote: »
    They should really stay out of it and mind their own fcuking business for once. The only fcukers invading are the US. How many countries did Assad invade or threaten??

    The world is crazy and people need to study what is actually happening here

    The US hasn't invaded Syria. Saddam invaded Kuwait and Iran pre the US invasion of Iraq. He also gassed and bombed the **** out of the Kurds. Assad has bombed the **** out of various groups in Syria.

    Not trying to validate American actions, but to paint the Arab world as some garden of peace where nobody "invades or threatens" anyone else is just wrong.


  • #2295
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    whatever_ wrote: »
    I agree - this whole issue boils down to the usual ingredients - inadequate, sexually frustrated young men looking to vent their frustration on society.

    How to deal with it ?
    Proper border controls and security checks in cities ? Yes.
    More economic and social liberalism ? Yes.

    The need for more education is a popular answer.


  • #2296
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    unlikely though being an atheist & all.

    I'm just reminding you if you want to sh*t on christianity, at least do so from scriptures of Christ.

    Chapter & verse... whenever you can find it.

    @BoJack, Christ did not once mention or appear to give a bollocks about homosexuality. The basis for the Catholic and other churches' hatred of homosexuals is in the old testament. The same verses which form the basis of that hatred, the book of Leviticus, call for all kinds of barbaric acts against ordinary people for doing "unholy" things.

    Why are you pretending to be unaware that Catholicism and other Christian denominations regard parts of the Old Testament as canon, just as canon as the teachings of Christ himself?

    Christ was a good man and he taught good things. Personally I believe that he was indeed the Son of God. But it cannot be denied that the humans who have been charged over the centuries with looking after his legacy have f*cked it up beyond recognition. The Church's behaviour in Ireland is proof enough of that, FFS.


  • #2297
    freddiek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 345 ✭✭freddiek


    Voltex wrote: »
    Unless you haven't noticed people are extremely angry at what happened in Paris. It's an outright attack not just on the French people but on our European culture, values and freedom. These are fundamental rights that may incite a ruthless defence when threatened.

    I say it's not racism...but a natural reaction to human instinct.


    if you are saying you didnt see any racism on Boards last night, well I can't believe that.

    My own emotions are shock more so than anger.

    why should I be more angry now that at mass killings in the Middle East or Africa or wherever??


  • #2298
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    I still cannot find any media showing people with bad injuries. Not nice to see but we need to question everything. I remember after the Boston event, the video of the guy on the wheelchair with no legs being wheeled into shot was replayed over and over again...

    So please upload them if anyone can find something. With a warning of course.


  • #2299
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    Um, a man with grenade at Gatwick I hear.


  • #2300
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    Amirani wrote: »
    The US hasn't invaded Syria. Saddam invaded Kuwait and Iran pre the US invasion of Iraq. He also gassed and bombed the **** out of the Kurds. Assad has bombed the **** out of various groups in Syria.

    Not trying to validate American actions, but to paint the Arab world as some garden of peace where nobody "invades or threatens" anyone else is just wrong.

    And the Kurds were gassed when?


  • #2301
    Beefy78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Did you know there are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world.

    Think about it, if it was an entire religion of of war and murder, it would be a lot more than sneaky attacks but would be a full out war.

    The incredible mass majority of Muslims do not agree with IS and are in just as much danger as anyone else for doing so.

    Much like Christianity, there is no single belief but a few variants instead.

    More danger. Most people killed by fundamental Islam are Muslims.


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  • #2302
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    freddiek wrote: »
    if you are saying you didnt see any racism on Boards last night, well I can't believe that.

    My own emotions are shock more so than anger.

    why should I be more angry now that at mass killings in the Middle East or Africa or wherever??
    Nonsense. Of course "local" issues effect us more. That's true of everyone, completely natural.


  • #2303
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    More research.... less emoticons... t'would be a more fruitful use of your time.

    As I said, if you want to vent on christianity, read up on what the big JC had to say himself.
    Give his followers that much respect at least.

    Wasn't JC the same deity from Leviticus, Deuteronomy?


  • #2304
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    leavingirl wrote: »
    I still cannot find any media showing people with bad injuries. Not nice to see but we need to question everything. I remember after the Boston event, the video of the guy on the wheelchair with no legs being wheeled into shot was replayed over and over again...

    So please upload them if anyone can find something. With a warning of course.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1587614/running-for-their-lives-from-concert-attackers


  • #2305
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    kleefarr wrote: »
    Um, a man with grenade at Gatwick I hear.

    No one's quite sure of the details, but something fairly serious is going on there, indeed:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gatwick-airport-north-terminal-evacuated-for-protection-of-the-public-a6734426.html


  • #2306
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,102 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    leavingirl wrote: »
    I still cannot find any media showing people with bad injuries. Not nice to see but we need to question everything. I remember after the Boston event, the video of the guy on the wheelchair with no legs being wheeled into shot was replayed over and over again...

    So please upload them if anyone can find something. With a warning of course.
    Bit ghoulish to be asking for those sort of pics. :eek:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #2307
    Mesrine65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭Mesrine65


    leavingirl wrote: »
    And the Kurds were gassed when?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack


  • #2308
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Wasn't JC the same deity from Leviticus, Deuteronomy?

    No, his kid.


  • #2309
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    leavingirl wrote: »
    I still cannot find any media showing people with bad injuries. Not nice to see but we need to question everything. I remember after the Boston event, the video of the guy on the wheelchair with no legs being wheeled into shot was replayed over and over again...

    So please upload them if anyone can find something. With a warning of course.

    You could probably find something on liveleak.


  • #2310
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,613 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Niemoj wrote: »
    I'm not even Christian and even I know that Deuteronomy doesn't apply to Christians. Christ is said to have fulfilled the law of Moses on the Cross.

    But the Bible, like the Qur'an or any holy text really cannot be taken so literally.

    Muslims believe the Quran is the actual literal word of God. Perfect, unchangeable forever.


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  • #2311
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    So far this year in Europe or against European targets by IS or associated groups/individuals

    Krudttønden cultural centre Copenhagen 1 dead
    Synagogue in Copenhagen 1 dead
    Jewish Museum attack Brussels 4 dead
    Charlie Hebo and Deli 20 dead
    Saint-Quentin-Fallavier attack 1 dead attempt to blow up factory
    Bardo Museum in the center of Tunis 21 dead
    Zvornik, Republika Srpska Bosnia & Herzegovina 2 dead
    Sousse Tunisia 38 dead
    Russian Metrojet Flight 224 dead
    Paris multiple attacks 128 minimum dead.


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