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kleefarr · 14-11-2015 11:12AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It appears that the Paris attack was involved at most a dozen people, just imagine what a couple of hundred could achieve.

This, is going to be one big problem.
If a small group can do this and kill approximately 150 people, what is it going to be like when they actually get the main force together attacking? All those others that have freely gained entry into Europe. How many thousands?

Niemoj · 14-11-2015 11:12AM

"If you kill one human unjustly then you have killed all mankind"
- Qur'an 5:32

The people doing these awful attacks are not a reflection of the muslin religion by any means. They are just murderers, cold hearted and evil. People really need to stop confusing them.

Stay strong Paris.

suicide_circus · 14-11-2015 11:12AM

leavingirl wrote: »

It's all linked... the masterplan.. the new world order

You seem to have this all figured out, tell us more...

Royal Irish · 14-11-2015 11:13AM

leavingirl wrote: »

lolz

Didn't a NI woman who converted to Islam have links to the attack on a Kenyan shopping center not too long ago and had links to Al Shabab in Somalia?

These Islamic extremist attacks could very well happen in Ireland and it would be naive to "lolz" at the idea of it happening.

I'd nearly even go as far as Ireland would in fact be a very soft target and especially the US, British, Israeli, French embassies etc here.

screamer · 14-11-2015 11:14AM

Happyman42 wrote: »

You will not stop events like this unless you ask 'why' and do something about that.
In Iraq alone 14,000 people have died this year, 350 this month. That has been going on across the ME for decades. With little or no effective concern for those lost lives in the west. That was always going to come home to roost in the west and last night was an example of it.
That is why these groups have become a threat to us in the last few decades.
.

Those in these countries have been killing each other and fighting for thousands of years. Where the mistake was made was western democracies thinking that our way of life needed to be imposed there whereas In their culture and religion a tyrannical male dictator in power worked pretty well. Look at how Iraq lybia have descended into utter chaos since the death of the dictator. Syria similarly and Bashar is hanging on. We should have left them to their own devices years ago they'd have been happy killing each other for thousands more years instead of turning on the Christian west. Btw where are all the rich influential ME countries at the moment why are they not stepping up to help broker law and peace? How about taking in a few thousand refugees?

My thoughts are with those who were killed and bereaved last night. I hope their deaths will not be in vain and that this will be the wake up call that Europe needs otherwise it's France today it'll be another country soon and we're not immune.

BoJack Horseman · 14-11-2015 11:14AM

Niemoj wrote: »

"If you kill one human unjustly then you have killed all mankind"
- Qur'an 5:32

The people doing these awful attacks are not a reflection of the muslin religion by any means. They are just murderers, cold hearted and evil. People really need to stop confusing them.

I think its high time Islam got together and came up with a new Quran.
Remove all the hate speech demanding our death.

rob316 · 14-11-2015 11:15AM

leavingirl wrote: »

Who invaded Iraq in 2003 on a false mandate? On the back of lies by psychopathic warmonger terrorists like Powell, Cheney, Bush and Blair.

Look at the big picture

While there wasn't any wmd an evil dictator in Hussain was removed from power. The problem is and remains the regime installed after is as bad.

Fuhrer · 14-11-2015 11:15AM

Niemoj wrote: »

The people doing these awful attacks are not a reflection of the muslin religion by any means. They are just murderers, cold hearted and evil. People really need to stop confusing them.

Stay strong Paris.

The only reason they are committing these murders is because they are Muslim

jon1981 · 14-11-2015 11:15AM

Niemoj wrote: »

"If you kill one human unjustly then you have killed all mankind"
- Qur'an 5:32

The key word here is unjustly. These creatures see this as highly justified. They twist the words of that book at will.

14-11-2015 11:15AM

wexandproud wrote: »

maybe the catholics , no wait it was the protestants, sorry, no it was the jews , wait wait i think i have it

It was the IRA.

from_atozinc · 14-11-2015 11:15AM

Niemoj wrote: »

"If you kill one human unjustly then you have killed all mankind"
- Qur'an 5:32

The people doing these awful attacks are not a reflection of the muslin religion by any means. They are just murderers, cold hearted and evil. People really need to stop confusing them.

Stay strong Paris.

Yeah but to them this is most likely the opposite of unjust !!

leavingirl · 14-11-2015 11:16AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

You seem to have this all figured out, tell us more...

It's all in front of your nose

Do you think Ireland will have a national day of mourning like they did for 911? Every business in the country closed their doors except for the Chinese.

It was a national embarrassment.

Mesrine65 · 14-11-2015 11:16AM

Royal Irish wrote: »

Didn't a NI woman who converted to Islam have links to the attack on a Kenyan shopping center not too long ago and had links to Al Shabab in Somalia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samantha_Lewthwaite

leavingirl · 14-11-2015 11:17AM

Royal Irish wrote: »

Didn't a NI woman who converted to Islam have links to the attack on a Kenyan shopping center not too long ago and had links to Al Shabab in Somalia?

These Islamic extremist attacks could very well happen in Ireland and it would be naive to "lolz" at the idea of it happening.

I'd nearly even go as far as Ireland would in fact be a very soft target and especially the US, British, Israeli, French embassies etc here.

Israel have no interest in Ireland.

Depp · 14-11-2015 11:17AM

Niemoj wrote: »

"If you kill one human unjustly then you have killed all mankind"
- Qur'an 5:32

The people doing these awful attacks are not a reflection of the muslin religion by any means. They are just murderers, cold hearted and evil. People really need to stop confusing them.

Stay strong Paris.

yes but it also regards these killings as just.

Wurzelbert · 14-11-2015 11:18AM

leavingirl wrote: »

Who invaded Iraq in 2003 on a false mandate? On the back of lies by psychopathic warmonger terrorists like Powell, Cheney, Bush and Blair.

Look at the big picture

while they should have left saddam in place for reasons of regional stability, i think you need to look at the big picture, i.e. read up on saddam’s wmd history and all that…those “lies” were not all lies…

Mesrine65 · 14-11-2015 11:19AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It was the IRA.

Are you sure it wasn't the INLA? :P

Niemoj · 14-11-2015 11:19AM

jon1981 wrote: »

The key word here is unjustly. These creatures see this as highly justified. They twist the words of that book at will.

Actually the full verse is this:

"Whoever kills an innocent human being, it shall be as if he has killed all mankind, and whosoever saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind" -Qur'an 5:32.

Terrorism has no place in Islam whatsoever.

bilston · 14-11-2015 11:19AM

I think it's time l for the West to reassess its stance on Syria. There have been signs that they are starting to anyway, but now they need to make it official.

Assad is not a threat to Western Europe or the USA, Daenesh clearly is. This year alone they have attacked a Jewish supermarket in Paris, they have massacred dozens of British tourists on a Tunisian beach, they have tried to shoot up a train on the French/Belgium border, they MAY have blown over 200 Russian tourists out of the sky and now they appear to have carried out the worst terror attack in Europe in 11 years in terms of casualties and probably the largest scale terror attack in Europe (in terms of method) in modern history. They are a clear and present threat to all of us.

It's time the West just accepted Assad, at least in the interim. He is clearly a brute, but the only way to defeat Daenesh is to set aside our opposition to the Syrian government, join with the Russians and take the fight to this death cult once and for all. It can only be done with Russia onside though, otherwise things could get a lot more dangerous than they are even now.

Boots on the ground are needed. That's easy to say as it won't be my boots and there may not be much appetite for that amongst the general western populace, but the French public might row in behind it and Putin can get away with it in Russia. Between French and Russian forces on the ground, plus the Kurds and Syrian and Iraqi armies surely Daenesh can be broken.

Wiping out this scourge at source won't solve the problem completely but it will at least deny them training camps and it might discourage young Muslims going out there in large numbers to fight a lost cause.

Maybe I'm being naive and there are too many vested interest at work here for the West and Russia to come together, but if we could join with Stalin to fight a common enemy we can surely join with Putin.

As for immigration there could be an understandable backlash from Europe now, but it is important to remember that 99% of these refugees are trying to flee this violence, not export it.

Mesrine65 · 14-11-2015 11:20AM

leavingirl wrote: »

Israel have no interest in Ireland.

They're really into our passports though

14-11-2015 11:20AM

Mesrine65 wrote: »

Are you sure it wasn't the INLA? :P

My money is on NAMBLA.

leavingirl · 14-11-2015 11:21AM

Wurzelbert wrote: »

while they should have left saddam in place for reasons of regional stability, i think you need to look at the big picture, i.e. read up on saddam’s wmd history and all that…those “lies” were not all lies…

There were no WMDs.

Any weapons that Saddam used were given to him by the US

Cabaal · 14-11-2015 11:21AM

Depp wrote: »

Where in the bible does it instruct to kill in the name of christianity, its evil people using it as an excuse, that arguement doesnt wash in terms of islam however as it explicitly states in the quran to kill non muslims and drive them from their own lands

You've never read the bible have you?

Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

It says it in plenty of places in the bible,
Killing others and hatred is the norm in many religions including in christian based faiths.

Here is the bible...the apparent book of peace and love telling followers to kill those that do not believe in the one true good,

Happyman42 · 14-11-2015 11:21AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

My point is, it ain't "the west" killing 14,000 people in Iraq this year. It ain't "the west" sawing off people's heads on youtube.

You are just reacting in a one-sided way tbh.
Review what the west has been doing in the region in the decades before these groups became a threat.

On the subject of French participation, I believe this ship was due to sail to the region again next week. Have a read, particularly the last paragraph (quoted). Do you think it possible that there survivors of attacks from this ship who feel exactly the same way as those who survived the attacks last night?
Is the death of an innocent Muslim any different to the death of an innocent Parisian? I ask because there were those saying there was a difference on this thread last night.
http://www.janes.com/article/47824/charles-de-gaulle-to-sail-for-gulf-possible-participation-in-islamic-state-air-strikes

Charles de Gaulle also has been a regular presence in the region, participating in coalition air strikes over Afghanistan since 2001 (most recently in 2012). Its last deployment to the Gulf region was in 2014, on Operation 'Bois Belleau'.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 14-11-2015 11:22AM

I agree, they need to bring back dictators to the Middle East. The USA and Europe should support Assad and Russia to make Syria secure.

14-11-2015 11:23AM

Read this on reddit this morning
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3sqh0u/serious_actively_practicing_muslims_what_goes/cwzo0cm

It's awful what happened in paris.

Don't really know what the next steps are

leavingirl · 14-11-2015 11:23AM

rob316 wrote: »

While there wasn't any wmd an evil dictator in Hussain was removed from power. The problem is and remains the regime installed after is as bad.

UN didn't agree. There was no mandate. So it was an invasion. A crime. That resulted in millions dying needlessly. Blair and Bush should be tried in The Hague. And be executed.

Wurzelbert · 14-11-2015 11:25AM

ghostdancer wrote: »

The Bible:

"Make ready to slaughter the infidel’s sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and possess the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants."

"Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.”

"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you."

i think you may be getting old testament hebrew stuff mixed up with the teachings of jesus…

silverharp · 14-11-2015 11:26AM

Niemoj wrote: »

"If you kill one human unjustly then you have killed all mankind"
- Qur'an 5:32

The people doing these awful attacks are not a reflection of the muslin religion by any means. They are just murderers, cold hearted and evil. People really need to stop confusing them.

Stay strong Paris.

Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. Then you can stop killing people. -Qur'an 2:193a

BoJack Horseman · 14-11-2015 11:27AM

Cabaal wrote: »

You've never read the bible have you?

Provide something from the New Testament.

As has been explained already on this thread... the Old Testament is used by Judaism & isn't used in the Catholic mass.

If you want to sh*t on the followers of Christ... you should use his hate preaching as proof.... which I ask you to provide... if you can.

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