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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    _Brian wrote: »
    Because it suits their narrow minded own version of extremism thinking that this is all happening because all them Muslims are radical Islamic murderers in waiting and we should do something with them all to save ourselves.

    Read the ****in quran you blind fool, open your eyes here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    And you don't think we are fooked already !!

    No. Compared to other countries and times we could have been born into, we are absolutely not fooked.

    Mind you, there is absolutely nothing any of us arguing on an internet forum can do. Way I see it, I can either go around to the shop this morning and say "Morning, Ahmed" (provided, ofc, that Ahmed is working, saying it to a random chap may not go down so well), or I can wave a bible* at him and start screaming about how he and his religion of peace are evil and barbaric and he should be tossed out right now because he might be wearing a suicide vest.

    Personally, I just don't see that Option B is particularly helpful. And yet, that's what this thread (and half the internet) is doing right now. Admittedly to a metaphorical Ahmed. I'm on a fairly thorough dose of painkillers right now, so my analogies are a little whacked.

    *Which is gloriously ironic - anyone here talking about the Koran read the Bible lately?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭play it again


    It's time for the strong politicians to put a stop to this , what good are words , if this incident leads to be the start of mass deportations , mass interment , Europe should be cleared of Muslim ghettos which are breeding grounds for these animals then so be it .

    Why don't we see this Russia ? , because these animals are not allowed to flourish and breed their hate and practise they're murderous religion , say what you like about Putin but if Europe's leaders were half the leader he is , we wouldn't have these problems .

    The citizens of Europe need to arm themselves against these type of religious freaks and force them out of their neighbourhoods , put them out of their city's and drive them back to where they came from , enough is enough .

    Viva la France and Europe


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 754 ✭✭✭mynameis905


    Why can't some people understand the difference between Islamic extremists & normal , every day good Muslims who don't take the outdated Koran up the wrong way?

    See, I don't think you really understand Islam. For Muslims, the Koran represents the literal, unchanging word of god. They believe in it to the letter. As far as they're concerned Mohammad was visited in a cave by the archangel Gabriel who revealed the Koran to him in stages over a 20 year period. Mohammad of course was illiterate and so he had the local scribe write down the teachings and every now and then he flew up to heaven on a winged horse for an ould chat with the big man himself.

    The average five year old could spot the idiocy of this but unfortunately it's exactly what Muslims believe.

    You'll notice that the earlier verses of the Koran (written when Mohammad had very few followers) are all loving and peaceful and full of the nice quotes that get trotted out every now and again. The later verses (written once Mohammad had amassed a huge band of followers and effectively united modern day Saudia Arabia under his rule) is when the death to infidels kind of shíte starts to come in. Unfortunately the earlier verses are considered to have been abrogated by the latter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,153 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Depp wrote: »
    Read the ****in quran you blind fool, open your eyes here

    I notice you removed the reference to me being a "spastic"

    Are you worried about being seen to be down on disabled people as well as all Muslims.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 431 ✭✭6781


    Akrasia wrote: »

    Anyone who says 'Religion has nothing to do with this' is part of the problem, but so is anyone who says that all Muslims are to blame.

    Religion has everything to do with this, to be more precise islam has everything to do with this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 918 ✭✭✭bemak


    As terrible as these events are, in a way it would be great if none of it was reported on TV or the internet. Absolutely nothing at all. I think the types of b@stards that do something like this only feed off the subsequent media coverage. Obviously it would be impossible to do in reality and I'm talking sh1te but I think that it's the aftermath that these terrorists are looking for, the statement and for it to be spread across the world. If the media coverage doesn't ensue, surely they are the ones that lose out more than us?


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's time for the strong politicians to put a stop to this , what good are words , if this incident leads to be the start of mass deportations , mass interment , Europe should be cleared of Muslim ghettos which are breeding grounds for these animals .

    Why don't we see this Russia ? , because these animals are not allowed to flourish and breed their hate and practise they're murderous religion , paw what you like about Putin but if Europe's leaders were half the leader he is , we wouldn't have these problems .

    The citizens of Europe need to arm themselves against these type of religious freaks and force them out of their neighbourhoods , put them out of their city's and drive them back to where they came from , enough is enough .

    Viva la France and Europe

    We don't see terrorism in Russia?

    You must be joking? You are making a joke, right?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    .

    Viva la France and Europe

    Wrong language.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭Colonialboy


    Why can't some people understand the difference between Islamic extremists & normal , every day good Muslims who don't take the outdated Koran up the wrong way?

    Actually most people do understand the difference, and thats why most people have been for many years been asking their politicians for some protection and preventitive measures to stop the Islamic nut jobs.

    Unfortunately everytime someone asks for a preventitive measure against Islamic nutjobs coming to their country, they are labeled a racist and xenophobic .... more ofthen than not by people like you.


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Why don't we see this Russia ?

    ?

    Beslan....385+ dead.

    Moscow Theatre....200+ dead.

    Amongst many other terror attacks in Russia.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    _Brian wrote: »
    I notice you removed the reference to me being a "spastic"

    Are you worried about being seen to be down on disabled people as well as all Muslims.

    way to ignore the point i actually made, fair enough i reacted how i shouldnt have but i changed it, and then thats what you grasp onto to try invalidate my point, also the sly dig that im racist now aswel


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭acb121


    Why can't some people understand the difference between Islamic extremists & normal , every day good Muslims who don't take the outdated Koran up the wrong way?

    Gawd.

    It must be lovely in Liberal lala land.

    The Koran, Q'ran, Quran, is NOT OUTDATED.

    It is the UNCHANGEABLE, LITERAL word of GOD for ALL TIME.

    It is NOT OUTDATED because it cannot be " updated ".

    So, I'm afraid those normal every day good muslims will be reading about killing the unbeliever for as long as the Koran exists.

    The bit about killing jews is not a " parable ".

    Mohammed himself, you know, Islam's version of Jesus, personally led his followers in beheading 900 jews in a single afternoon. Perhaps he even used one of his 8 swords, including his favourite, " The Cleaver Of Necks ". ( What was Jesus's favourite sword called ? )

    Mohammed himself, , you know, Islam's version of Jesus, personally instructed his followers to rape women who were " unbelievers " and if they felt like it, kidnap them and hold them captive for the single purpose of rape when they felt like using a women for their own self gratification. Mohammed himself personally owned 4 women for that purpose.,

    Mohammed himself, you know, Islam;s version of Jesus, demanded and instructed that anyone who criticised him should be murdered, and he ordered the murder of about 50 of his critics during his lifetime, including poets and artists. And you don't get why Charlie Hebdo happened.

    You are deluded and uniformed and therefore part of the problem with your talk of ordinary " moderate " Islam.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭Orangebrigade


    France should go in and clear those ghettos out completely of these idiots. The liberal soft approach doesn't work with Islam.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Saudi Arabia strongly condemns and denounces terror explosions in Paris,foreign ministry official source says
    #SPA
    spa.gov.sa/English/detail…


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Pocoyo


    Time to act the west have destroyed their region even if they had political freedom and a higher standard of life than us this would probably be still going on out of the ashes was born an evil ideology that cant be appeased with wealth or freedom. It would be no different than trying to appease the nazi's.

    Build a wall send them back to the dark ages and dont blink an eye at on what goes on behind it. its either that or covert and follow sharia law.


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    France should go in and clear those ghettos out completely of these idiots. The liberal soft approach doesn't work with Islam.

    They have tried it before, notably on the 17th October 1961 when hundreds of Algerians were beaten to death or drowned.

    It didn't work out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,153 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Depp wrote: »
    way to ignore the point i actually made, fair enough i reacted how i shouldnt have but i changed it, and then thats what you grasp onto to try invalidate my point, also the sly dig that im racist now aswel

    I think people show their true colours under pressure and change their
    Minds down the line to cover it up for fear of people realising their true nature.

    Your reference to someone of intellectual disability as some sort of slur on someone is just reprehensible, offensive and negates any other argument you try to put across here.

    You should truly be ashamed, but it fits the ongoing narrow minded views you are peddling and I expect you will attempt to excuse it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    acb121 wrote: »
    You are deluded and uniformed and therefore part of the problem with your talk of ordinary " moderate " Islam.

    The thing is though that there are a hell of a lot of people, millions more than the lunatics that, just like with Christianity and Judaism, deal with the cognitive dissonance of what their religion says and what their own sense of morality says and ...y'know, don't kill people.

    That is "ordinary, moderate Islam". Same way as I was brought up an ordinary, moderate Christian without feeling a particular need to convert and destroy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    France should go in and clear those ghettos out completely of these idiots. The liberal soft approach doesn't work with Islam.


    Ah yes and lock them all up, especially the men of a certain age, think they tried that up your way in the 70,s and called it interment, that worked out very well....not.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Demetrius


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭wexandproud


    have just turned on tv and fcuk me i cant believe it
    all this sh1t about discrimination and pc crap has to stop and and the inflow of immigrants has to stop . people have to be allowed to express their feelings and politicians have to listen and if some totally innocent people are sent back to syria or wherever , guess what ? i dont give a fcuk , the safety of my family and the population have to be protected...
    i know all muslims are not responsable but their collective silence is always deafening after these attacks , this extremism is spreading like a disease .

    If people want to come on her and call me a racist or a bigot i couldn't care less


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    have just turned on tv and fcuk me i cant believe it
    all this sh1t about discrimination and pc crap has to stop and and the inflow of immigrants has to stop . people have to be allowed to express their feelings and politicians have to listen and if some totally innocent people are sent back to syria or wherever , guess what ? i dont give a fcuk , the safety of my family and the population have to be protected...
    i know all muslims are not responsable but their collective silence is always deafening after these attacks , this extremism is spreading like a disease .

    If people want to come on her and call me a racist or a bigot i couldn't care less

    Saudi Arabia condemned the attacks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭Orangebrigade


    They have tried it before, notably on the 17th October 1961 when hundreds of Algerians were beaten to death or drowned.

    It didn't work out.
    No excuse for just allowing areas to get infested with this lot and preachers etc. Its ironic how Europeans for centuries fought to the bitter end to keep them out and now some want to invite them in and open hotels to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭Tweej


    bemak wrote: »
    As terrible as these events are, in a way it would be great if none of it was reported on TV or the internet. Absolutely nothing at all. I think the types of b@stards that do something like this only feed off the subsequent media coverage. Obviously it would be impossible to do in reality and I'm talking sh1te but I think that it's the aftermath that these terrorists are looking for, the statement and for it to be spread across the world. If the media coverage doesn't ensue, surely they are the ones that lose out more than us?

    This is news, it needs to be reported. What about people with friends in Paris? Could you imagine not knowing that this event occurred, and one of your friends died?

    No, it should be reported. However it shouldn't be used as a scare tactic. American news outlets are going to use this as a terror story. Hopefully the French, the English, and our news outlets, will focus on what has caused this and the response which will be coming.


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    have just turned on tv and fcuk me i cant believe it
    all this sh1t about discrimination and pc crap has to stop and and the inflow of immigrants has to stop . people have to be allowed to express their feelings and politicians have to listen and if some totally innocent people are sent back to syria or wherever , guess what ? i dont give a fcuk , the safety of my family and the population have to be protected...
    i know all muslims are not responsable but their collective silence is always deafening after these attacks , this extremism is spreading like a disease .

    If people want to come on her and call me a racist or a bigot i couldn't care less

    The IRA only stopped bombing European targets when all the Irish were sent home.

    Oh wait, no, your point is nonsense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭play it again


    We don't see terrorism in Russia?

    You must be joking? You are making a joke, right?
    DOCARCH wrote: »
    ?

    Beslan....385+ dead.

    Moscow Theatre....200+ dead.

    Amongst many other terror attacks in Russia.

    And what action did the Russians take , any suspected terrorists are taken away and never seen again , we haven't seen this in Russia in a while unlike France and the UK , they have closed their borders , unlike Europe who welcome them with open arms and we have the consequences now , we need concentration camps to put these people until they can be expunged from Europe


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭Orangebrigade


    realies wrote: »
    Ah yes and lock them all up, especially the men of a certain age, think they tried that up your way in the 70,s and called it interment, that worked out very well....not.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Demetrius
    Head in sand. Just do nothing and let them carry on blowing people up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    _Brian wrote: »
    I think people show their true colours under pressure and change their
    Minds down the line to cover it up for fear of people realising their true nature.

    Your reference to someone of intellectual disability as some sort of slur on someone is just reprehensible, offensive and negates any other argument you try to put across here.

    You should truly be ashamed, but it fits the ongoing narrow minded views you are peddling and I expect you will attempt to excuse it.

    I used 1 word and then changed it get over it, its part of my vernacular and it probably shouldnt be but whatever, my point still stands and you are continuing to ignore it http://www.clearquran.com/ have a read through this, educate yourself and come back to me, I expect you will make an attemt to excuse your ignorance on the point at hand


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭play it again


    Wrong language.

    I do apologise , I thought it was, perhaps you could correct me ?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭acb121


    Samaris wrote: »
    The thing is though that there are a hell of a lot of people, millions more than the lunatics that, just like with Christianity and Judaism, deal with the cognitive dissonance of what their religion says and what their own sense of morality says and ...y'know, don't kill people.

    That is "ordinary, moderate Islam". Same way as I was brought up an ordinary, moderate Christian without feeling a particular need to convert and destroy.

    This is correct.

    But I am sick of uninformed, uneducated, liberal fools, just assuming that Mohammed is just like Jesus, but for Muslims.

    When we have European liberal fools talking about the Koran being " outdated ", we have a problem. Becuase they don't have a clue what they are talking about, but feel entitled to pontificate from their wishy, wahsy perspective in the name of " all cultures are equal ".

    I think that Islam is a little more enthusiastic about the convert or destroy bit than these other religious.

    The proof is in the pudding.


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