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masti123 · 14-11-2015 02:51AM

timthumbni wrote: »

"Most would agree with the IRAs goals" I live in Northern Ireland and I can assure you that most people did not nor do not agree with their goals. Easy from a distance to support something.

Of course the IRA had support from the communities they operated in. It would be impossible to sustain a 30 year armed campaign otherwise.

14-11-2015 02:51AM

Paris is likely going to be one of the safest places to be tonight, with 1500 soldiers and who knows how many heavily armed troops out patrolling.

Also nobody knows if it is ISIS or not. It probably will be, but they haven't claimed it so far, I think?

Eoin247 · 14-11-2015 02:51AM

BoatMad wrote: »

Western military might is simply immeasurably powerful in comparison to its enemies. It will now concentrate its mind on removing ISIL from the planet. The west could militarily run from one end of Syria to the other , in a week of it wanted too

Unfortunately these guys hide among civilians and the west inevitably gets painted as the bad guy. A conventional army subjected to civilised scrutiny cannot defeat an unconventional army that can commit any atrocity they want.

Jelle1880 · 14-11-2015 02:51AM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Correct, it is all that matters.

But I never said ISIS didnt exist prior to 2003. I said 2003, and its subsequent clusterfk which continues right up to present day, is what has led to the massacre that has taken place tonight. Unless you can show me an ISIS/AL Qui'ada massacre in a western european capital prior to 2003? Since then we have had Madrid, London, Paris and Paris. All Muslim extremists. All pp1ssed off at their countries being used as resource hubs by western powers. It should be self-evident really.

I highly doubt that any of them give a **** about their countries. I mean, they're killing their fellow countrymen simply because they interpret the same book slightly different.

They have been attacking Western targets for decades, it's just now that they have become richer that it's easier for them to target European cities. Before that it was Western targets located in the area, for example the 1998 bombings of the US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya.

I also think it has to do with shifting tactics, from attacking local targets to trying to strike fear into the European minds by hitting them close to home.

And I can't say it's failing.

Mr.Nice Guy · 14-11-2015 02:52AM

Peist2007 wrote:

Correct, it is all that matters.

But I never said ISIS didnt exist prior to 2003. I said 2003, and its subsequent clusterfk which continues right up to present day, is what has led to the massacre that has taken place tonight. Unless you can show me an ISIS/AL Qui'ada massacre in a western european capital prior to 2003? Since then we have had Madrid, London, Paris and Paris. All Muslim extremists. All pp1ssed off at their countries being used as resource hubs by western powers. It should be self-evident really.

It's surprising how few people seem to be taking into account the disastrous policies of Bush/Cheney and Blair and how they have contributed to the present day chaos.

130Kph · 14-11-2015 02:52AM

Billy86 wrote: »

This comment makes absolutely no sense.

Inspiring to see that you're focusing on the terrorists actions & their motivations given the events of the evening ...oh wait....

FourFourRED · 14-11-2015 02:52AM

What a car crash of a thread

Bannasidhe · 14-11-2015 02:52AM

Eoin247 wrote: »

You see, Christians and most of the world actually progressed out of that medieval mindset.

Yesssss.. because some very clever and influential people began to read all of these works from Antiquity that contained amazing ideas about democracy and other non- Vatican sanctioned ideas and the Inquisition just couldn't kill everyone who discussed these heretical ideas - although it did try.

And where did these books come from - why... the Muslims had preserved them!

This may blow your mind but Europe emerged from the Middle Ages partly because Islam respected knowledge - and it also gave us a handy way of calculating that didn't involved trying to work out XXVII + MCVV X MMVIIII which aided greatly with all that 'exploring' so Europeans could find exciting new worlds which were uninhabited (by Europeans) and take them over for ourselves.

Newton would have had a hell of a task writing his Principia Mathematica without the ol Muslim numerals not to mention their handy invention of the concept of 'zero'.

Also - you may have missed that I was responding to a poster who on several occasions has made reference to Mohammad's activities in the 7th century - the 7th century in Europe being a bastion of peace and joy apparently and not at all the time period that gave us the origin of the word 'slave' due to the the Bulgars 'enslaving' so many Slavs...

kleefarr · 14-11-2015 02:52AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Police are now reporting:

all the known assailants have been neutralised.

That would be five of them then?
Five people who attacked six locations?

Mountainsandh · 14-11-2015 02:52AM

smash wrote: »

Sky news just now squashing the rumours of gun fire near the louvre that they've been looking for clarification on for the last 2 hours.

I haven't verified that on news outlets, but my cousin (in Paris) says that they estimate there's at least a dozen crazed (armed) terrorists on the run in Paris right now.

raze_them_all_ · 14-11-2015 02:53AM

not reported widely but, Is bombed Beiruit today too http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34805466

14-11-2015 02:53AM

Survivor of Bataclan massacre: "To survive I crawled under a body then I went to a restroom. I was shot in the ankle. I have never seen so many dead people around me in my life. I am traumatized."

God.

Sever Tomorrow · 14-11-2015 02:53AM

Billy86 wrote: »

This comment makes absolutely no sense.

I took objection to the criticism of a set of religious beliefs resulting in a banning.

No less than criticism of Buddhism, Christianity etc.

You decided to re-frame this into an attack on most Muslims as people and generalizations of them as terrorists.

Clear?

The Talking Bread · 14-11-2015 02:53AM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

I know it's not really appropriate, but I can't seem to find info on what band were playing in Bataclan ? I'm just really skimming various French news outlets online and don't really know how to find my way around reddit.

Eagles of Death Metal. American band. Due to be playing next week in Dublin coincidentally. You must have looked too hard on a Google search!

14-11-2015 02:54AM

kleefarr wrote: »

That would be five of them then?
Five people who attacked six locations?

I really don't know. I guess the implication is that there might be ones they don't know about?

meepins · 14-11-2015 02:54AM

El Weirdo wrote: »

Wow.

Just fucking wow.

Well argued.

timthumbni · 14-11-2015 02:54AM

The question is what response to this. I predict a weeks national and worldwide outrage, then another lazy, nonchalant period of nonchalance, until it happens again. This time in another euro city be it in France, UK, Italy, Germany or even perhaps Ireland. Who knows??????? It's now just a waiting game.... And we are the pawns...

0byme75341jo28 · 14-11-2015 02:54AM

El Weirdo wrote: »

Wow.

Just fucking wow.

Tonight in Beirut 43 people died in suicide bombings. Why is no one talking about them? It happens every fúcking day in the middle east and no one seems to care about the lives that are lost. My attitude isn't much different to most people's.

Isaiah · 14-11-2015 02:55AM

Fleawuss wrote: »

Hitler. Roman Catholic. Once you're in you're in.

Hitler was a Nazi who's beliefs were incompatible with Christianity. He believed in superhuman Aryan ancestors from Atlantis being the seed for the Aryan race of Germans, and wanted to breed their recessive traits back into the population through eugenics whilst exterminating non Aryans.

How is that Christiantiy?

BoatMad · 14-11-2015 02:55AM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Reminds me of the Bosnian conflict.

The West pissed around with the Bosnian Serbs for 4 years and within one week of the Market mortar attacks in 1995, they'd bombed the Serbs away from Sarajevo thus breaking the siege. In a couple of days.

Indeed, all we must do is stiffen our resolve , we must be prepared to commit troops for decades , large parts of the Middle East will have to be returned to western military control, and we will have to be prepared to put our hands in our pockets and pay taxes to ensure that it can be done.

Have no doubt , we are at war , but we need to resolve to have a new D day

hatrickpatrick · 14-11-2015 02:55AM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

It's surprising how few people seem to be taking into account the disastrous policies of Bush/Cheney and Blair and how they have contributed to the present day chaos.

People seem to regard doing so as somehow expressing support for the terrorists. Makes absolutely no sense.

Rhys Essien · 14-11-2015 02:55AM

XR3i wrote: »

Angela Merkel, chancellor of Germany:

"I am deeply shaken by the news and pictures that are reaching us from Paris. My thoughts in these hours are with the victims of what appears to be a terrorist attack, as well as with their relatives and all people in Paris," she said in a statement. "The German government is in contact with the French government and has passed on a message of sympathy and solidarity from the German people,"

stick it up your hole merkel

A bit of a stupidly worded statement.'what appears to be a terrorist attack'.Surely every mass killing is a 'terrorist attack'.

Jelle1880 · 14-11-2015 02:55AM

Shelby Warm Escalator wrote: »

Tonight in Beirut 43 people died in suicide bombings. Why is no one talking about them? It happens every fúcking day in the middle east and no one seems to care about the lives that are lost. My attitude isn't much different to most people's.

Maybe because it happens almost every day there ?

Lovely Bloke · 14-11-2015 02:55AM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Eagles of Death Metal. American band. Due to be playing next week in Dublin coincidentally. You must have looked too hard on a Google search!

played this week in Dublin

Ol' Donie · 14-11-2015 02:56AM

Isaiah wrote: »

Himmler was a Nazi. An entirely different and opposite belief system to Christianity. Christians believe all men are equal for one. How does this fit in with the nazi superman?

No person who believed in Nazism could be Christian. The two are opposing ideals.

Nazism took more ideas from Hindusm than from Christiany.

He was raised a Catholic.

And my point, which couldn't have been more obvious, was that the mad bastards can be part of any religion.

To spell that out, today's mad bastards do not represent the overwhelming majority of muslims.

And thinking otherwise is the most dangerous thing that can come out of this, and exactly what these madmen want.

Precious flower · 14-11-2015 02:56AM

What has happened tonight is just so awful it's incomprehensible. I'd just like to say, their are people in this world who are twisted human beings and will do horrific things just because they can. Religion is just used as an excuse to carry out such inhumane acts. All religions preach the same central idea, treat others how you would like to be treated. But some people twist it or pick and choose what applies to them to allow them to act in a certain way. I can't comprehend how one person could carry out such an unspeakable act on another person. it;s even harder to grasp when it's a group of people. Most people act like a decent human beings with or without religion and some people act like despicable human beings with or without religion. I hope they arrest as many of those murders as possible and make sure they are made to feel the full weight of the law for what they have done. I'd be tempted to say I hope they are hurt the way they have hurt those people but then we'd be no better really. Answering violence with violence is a vicious circle that solves nothing and only leaves us bitter. Rest in peace to all those who have being brutally killed.

Filmer Paradise · 14-11-2015 02:56AM

ihatemyfish wrote: »

I used to think you open borders people were naive. Not anymore. You're downright dangerous.

Ain't that a fact!

Every open door liberal who had influence in the last 50 years has blood on their hands now & I hope they all die roaring.

Wrongway1985 · 14-11-2015 02:56AM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

I know it's not really appropriate, but I can't seem to find info on what band were playing in Bataclan ? I'm just really skimming various French news outlets online and don't really know how to find my way around reddit.

It's appropriate unlike some of the posts that have been posted.

The Eagles of Death Metal were who was playing they played the Olympia in Dublin Tuesday night despite some reports they are not a death metal band that is just part of the bands name.

Deftones were due to play 3 sold out shows there starting tomorrow.

BoatMad · 14-11-2015 02:57AM

Isaiah wrote: »

Hitler was a Nazi who's beliefs were incompatible with Christianity. He believed in superhuman Aryan ancestors from Atlantis being the seed for the Aryan race of Germans and wanted to breed these traits back into the society through eugenics whilst exterminating no Aryans.

How is that Christiantiy?

Hiker was raised a Catholic , 1/3 of Germany was catholic at the time , the church ensured it survived in Germany despite initial opposition.

But I'm not sure how this is relevant

Bannasidhe · 14-11-2015 02:57AM

Packrat wrote: »

Whataboutery. Poor effort at it even. That was then. This is now. The rest of the world doesn't do that these days. Just Muslims.

Ah - another one who didn't bother to read the post I was responding to before jumping in without doing a shred of research because if you had done some research you would know that in Bosnia in the mid 1990s it was the Muslims who were being massacred by a combined force of Bosnian Orthodox Christians and Bosnian Croat Catholics.

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