Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

Dick phelan · 14-11-2015 02:05AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

How so ?

ANC started their bombing campaign while Mandela was in prison, Adams was reportedly active during The Troubles...

Massive difference.

What about Mandela's wife then? Would you not say a man can be judged somewhat by the women he marries, Mandela was a man very similar to Adams people just don't like to admit the man wasn't some peace loving saint.

14-11-2015 02:05AM

Gatling wrote: »

All religion can be interpreted and used as an excuse to kill innocent people

In the past yes, all but one seems to have moved into the 21st century on that front now however.

14-11-2015 02:05AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

A scary thought....
Bombs went off outside the France football match. What happened if the bomb was intended for INSIDE the stadium itself....

My gut instinct says that the bombers hoped to get in, but failed so "went off" outside as they probably had time fuses on them and couldn't delay.

Old Jakey · 14-11-2015 02:05AM

Phoebas wrote: »

Tragic and all that this is, it isn't going to make any major difference to anything.

Invasion? People trying to escape war and people trying to make a better life.

What happens after they 'stand up for themselves and say that the third world invasion stops now'? Do they start forcing the people who are arriving off boats onto Greek islands back into the sea?

No we just ship them back to Allahland.

captbarnacles · 14-11-2015 02:05AM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

It became the topic when people started comparing them to ISIS which is an excuse to continue their hatred of Irish people. The IRA only existed because of partition and fed off the alienation of mistreatment by the British authorities and while it committed horrible acts they reconciled with the state forces and became active members in society fighting corruption and poverty. ISIS on the other hand only knows violence they have no political motive other than pure unadulterated violence so no the IRA despite committing horrible actions is not as bad as ISIS hell the British army is not as bad as ISIS and they committed massacres against us Irish people don't forget that. We wanted to talk they wanted to murder us.

They want a global caliphate as a stated aim. That's kinda political.

VinLieger · 14-11-2015 02:05AM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Quote 1 line from Christ's teachings that can be interpreted thusly?

2 kings 2:24

Several kids slag a dude for being bald and god kills them for it

Catholics ignorance of their own books is hilarious

All religion is evil

Dr. Bre · 14-11-2015 02:05AM

All becaus of religion

enfant terrible · 14-11-2015 02:05AM

Deleted User wrote: »

They likely do, but there's not much they can do?

Well wiping out all these guys would sent a strong message to the rest of the rich Saudis.

Might not be as easy to assassinate Saudis though.

efb · 14-11-2015 02:05AM

Smidge wrote: »

I'm actually embarrassed for posters in this thread shoehorning their own political agenda that one group are murderers(namely IRA)and another(who have not yet been named as tonight's murderers in Paris but a fair chance they will be)and "poor and ghettoised" as if that mitigates the absolute carnage they have caused.
I dont even want to think about the horror that people are enduring in Paris tonight knowing their loved ones will never come through the door again.
Ever.
I dont know if I could handle that kind of heartbreak tbh and I will never understand people using others heartbreak to soapbox.

I've condemned all violence if that was aimed at me

Dick phelan · 14-11-2015 02:06AM

OK sorry IRA discussion over.

Laois_Man · 14-11-2015 02:06AM

Death toll now 149

acb121 · 14-11-2015 02:06AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

ISIS exists because the West has tried to bomb, invade, and shoot the Arab World into submission and unsurprisingly a lot of young people there have decided to f*ck the West any way they can.

Are people honestly denying that the Islamist extremist hatred of the West has at least some of its roots in the West's horrific treatment of people in Middle Eastern countries?

Have you ever read about the history of Islam.

Mohammed and his followers began his campaign of rape, murder, racism, banditry, religous persecution and so on in about 628.

As far as I known, the United States was not formed until 1000 years later.

Lovely Bloke · 14-11-2015 02:06AM

Take Your Pants Off wrote: »

Why and how does the IRA get involved in these threads ?!?!

whataboutery

My name is URL · 14-11-2015 02:06AM

All religion can be interpreted and used as an excuse to kill innocent people

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Quote 1 line from Christ's teachings that can be interpreted thusly?

Seriously?

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

timmyntc · 14-11-2015 02:06AM

To blame these attacks on one factor is incredibly ignorant and narrow-minded, because of course it's a multitude of things that caused these atrocities. For one, the French intervention in Syria. Allegedly, one of the gunmen cried "this is for syria" before shooting. The failed integration of a lot of muslims in france is most likely another factor; many many differing sects of muslims come to france and instead of integrating, all get lumped together and then you have muslim ghettos forming - now instead of integrating to french society these people living in (most likely) quite poor conditions with other muslims just breed discontent and ill-feelings.
Finally though something *does* have to be said for Islam. It appears (to me) to lend itself far too much to being interpreted badly and to be used as a motive for religious acts of terror. We should be more cautious around Muslims because per-capita it seems that there are more Islamic fundamentalists than any other religion. Surely something has to be done; however branding all muslims evil, murderers, terrorists etc. is only going to make things worse.

acb121 · 14-11-2015 02:07AM

Dr. Bre wrote: »

All becaus of religion

No,

One very particular religion.

I'll give you a guess.

Gatling · 14-11-2015 02:08AM

Icepick wrote: »

how exactly would that be done with Jainism?

Swastika comes to mind

efb · 14-11-2015 02:08AM

Be afraid. To book a meal with a loved one, or a have a first date. To feel excitement before your favourite band take the stage. To cheer on your team at a football match. To enjoy a Friday night, to live. That's what terrorism is, fear and paranoia. We are better than this. I want to live.

BoJack Horseman · 14-11-2015 02:08AM

VinLieger wrote: »

2 kings 2:24

Several kids slag a dude for being bald and god kills them for it

That's about millennium before the big JC.

Gatling said all religious text can be interpreted as a call to kill..

I'm just seeking an example from Christ's teachings.... The one followed by a good chunk of the globe.

duckysauce · 14-11-2015 02:08AM

efb wrote: »

I've condemned all violence if that was aimed at me

your ego is sad

um7y1h83ge06nx · 14-11-2015 02:08AM

Can we just all agree that nothing should be off the table when dealing with the likes of ISIS.

Whatever they get they deserve.

languagenerd · 14-11-2015 02:09AM

applehunter wrote: »

I just think its odd that someone would "cry" over something happening in Paris.

Maybe I am made of stone.

"something happening" doesn't quite express "150+ people being massacred while doing the same activities I do every other weekend", does it?

I know Paris, and France, pretty well. I have a French grandparent. I have friends over there who I've been contacting and checking up on tonight. But even if I hadn't, I think I'd've had the same visceral reaction to what is a horrific crime against innocent people just going about their business. Innocent people that, on a different day, could have been us or our families. I'm not getting into the politics or the religions, because none of it really matters in the face of so many lives meaninglessly torn apart in an instant.

CoDy1 · 14-11-2015 02:09AM

Laois_Man wrote: »

Death toll now 149

158

Lovely Bloke · 14-11-2015 02:09AM

Arise children of the fatherland
The day of glory has arrived
Against us tyranny's
Bloody standard is raised
Listen to the sound in the fields
The howling of these fearsome soldiers
They are coming into our midst
To cut the throats of your sons and consorts

To arms citizens Form your battalions
March, march
Let impure blood
Water our furrows

Gatling · 14-11-2015 02:10AM

Laois_Man wrote: »

Death toll now 149

158 currently and rising

captbarnacles · 14-11-2015 02:10AM

timmyntc wrote: »

To blame these attacks on one factor is incredibly ignorant and narrow-minded, because of course it's a multitude of things that caused these atrocities. For one, the French intervention in Syria. Allegedly, one of the gunmen cried "this is for syria" before shooting. The failed integration of a lot of muslims in france is most likely another factor; many many differing sects of muslims come to france and instead of integrating, all get lumped together and then you have muslim ghettos forming - now instead of integrating to french society these people living in (most likely) quite poor conditions with other muslims just breed discontent and ill-feelings.
Finally though something *does* have to be said for Islam. It appears (to me) to lend itself far too much to being interpreted badly and to be used as a motive for religious acts of terror. We should be more cautious around Muslims because per-capita it seems that there are more Islamic fundamentalists than any other religion. Surely something has to be done; however branding all muslims evil, murderers, terrorists etc. is only going to make things worse.

I'm not saying all this is islam's fault but seriously, you don't need to interpret the Qu'ran badly to justify murdering your enemies.

martyos121 · 14-11-2015 02:10AM

There is some serious shîte being spouted here tonight. Do not disrespect one religion based on what a select group of people did. The vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists and I won't stand for people disrespecting Muslims when they too are against ISIS and terrorist organisations.

Grow the fcuk up be tolerant of other faiths!

BoJack Horseman · 14-11-2015 02:10AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Seriously?

Yes!

I asked for what Christ said.... Your link didn't provide anything from Jesus Christ.

Isaiah · 14-11-2015 02:10AM

Zillah wrote: »

It's not liberal, it's not PC; I'm not asking you to be nice or weak, I'm saying violence is exactly what they're hoping for, don't be a sucker.

Nice rethoric. Tell that to the people who's relatives have been killed by Islamic extremists.

We need to DEAL with this problem. Not ignore it and live nice happy lives until the next massacre.

VinLieger · 14-11-2015 02:10AM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

That's about millennium before the big JC.

Gatling said all religious text can be interpreted as a call to kill..

I'm just seeking an example from Christ's teachings.... The one followed by a good chunk of the globe.

Picking and choosing is all your doing, the bible is the holy book of Christianity and preaches some pretty awful ****, your a hypocrit by choosing to believe some and not the rest when the church teach to believe it all

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