Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

Severard wrote: »

Also France is a "gun-free" zone, that has worked out exceedingly well tonight hasn't it?

Yeah they should make it a constitutional right for every person in France to own a gun. It's worked so well in America.

poolboy wrote: »

We can be as PC as we like in Europe but there is something very wrong with a religion that can be interpreted as God wants you to go throw bombs at kids in a concert hall. For those who'll bleat on that that's not what that vile book says, turn on sky news.

All religion can be interpreted and used as an excuse to kill innocent people

Zillah wrote: »

Islamic extremism isn't an existential threat to Western civilisation. Violence like this is an atrocity, the deaths are a tragedy, but it's no threat to who and what we are. Liberal democracy can survive the Axis powers it will survive this with a shrug. They want you to get angry, they want you to call for revenge, because they want a war. They want boots on the ground in Syria and Iraq, that's their dream. Turn on innocent Muslims, go to war: you are doing exactly what they wanted to achieve with attacks like this.

Condemn what they've done, recommit to our own values, do our best to prevent future attacks, and leave them to stew in frustration in whatever war-torn shithole they're currently trapped in.

The best revenge is a life lived well.

It's not liberal, it's not PC; I'm not asking you to be nice or weak, I'm saying violence is exactly what they're hoping for, don't be a sucker.

Nothing more needs to be said. This is what we need, not the foaming, rabid responses suggested by others here.

I'm so glad the suicide bombers outside the stadium were too stupid to realise they'd have killed many more people if they'd waited until people were leaving after the game or queueing to go in before it started. Welcome to oblivion you murderous fuckwits.

Jayop wrote: »

Another one blaming the ra for omagh. Why do you even get involved of you're so Ill informed?

So they just were responsible for Enniskillen then???

Why and how does the IRA get involved in these threads ?!?!

A Remoreless response

I like it

If ISIS are the same as the IRA then the British and American army are the same as ISIS. Not every organisation which has killed innocent people is comparable to ISIS.

Whoever is behind this are utter scum. I think it's important in these situations not to be too reactionary, so I will do my best not to.

I'm not one of those guys who says 'PC gone mad' but a lot of the Muslim immigrants in Europe are racist and bigoted. Just because the majority of their hate is towards white Europeans doesn't mean it's not racist. I mean there are definite problems for Muslims living in Europe I don't doubt that, but how often do we hear of Muslims being targeted for violent massacres in France? I don't want far right European parties to start gaining power but these kind of attacks are exactly what they need to gain support.

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Islam is not a religion of violence, no matter what bigots may say. Islam does however have far too high a percentage of radicalised followers, again despite what people say. Radicalisation has to be tackled very passive aggressively imo. If you go all guns blazing you simply make yourself look like the bad guy. I don't know how to totally deal with it myself though. I don't think there's a simple explanation. I think the far right is going to rise in Europe.

Dick phelan wrote: »

I assume you must despise Nelson Mandela? A man very similar to Gerry Adams.

How so ?

ANC started their bombing campaign while Mandela was in prison, Adams was reportedly active during The Troubles...

Massive difference.

A scary thought....
Bombs went off outside the France football match. What happened if the bomb was intended for INSIDE the stadium itself....

donvito99 wrote: »

People calling for an end to "PC nonsense" etc etc.

It's exactly what the people responsible for this barbarism want Europe and France to be drawn into.

Yes.

All this talk of 'expel the scum', 'drop a nuke on Mecca', and the frankly bizarre blaming of 'liberal extremists' seems to me to be the real threat to 'our way of life'.

A Fortress Europe built on fear and hatred of those we deem 'other' is not a place I want to live - plus as a continent we have been there and done that killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people along the way from the Cathars to the Jews.

During the years of Christian fundamentalism in Europe is was the Muslims in the Caliphate of Cordoba who keep the light of civilization burning while Christendom was busy burning people and anything that look pagan.

Without Islam we wouldn't have a modern European democratic 'civilization' in the first place as they were the ones who saved the works of Ancient Greece from destruction by Christians.

These atrocities are carried out by fundamentalist extremists who claim they are doing this for Islam (as the Inquisition claimed to be acting for Christianity) but do not represent all Muslims. They want to destroy our liberal democratic way of life and those who want to see a right-wing fascist response want exactly the same thing.
They want ordinary Muslims to feel the West is their enemy - what better PR could we give them then to allow dead Muslim children to wash up on our shores while we concentrate on bombing the very places those children are fleeing from?

An extremist response to extremism will destroy Europe.