Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

Deleted User wrote: »

Was a Suicide bomber at stade de france

Some reports there was two.

Padster90s wrote: »

State of emergency declared. all borders closed.

A few decades too late.

Some hostages getting released now.........

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I understand your point, but I have to disagree.

For many of these terrorists are third or sometimes even fourth generation immigrants. They speak the language, they have been living there their entire lives,...

I don't believe they are being so widely discriminated against that they choose to pick up a gun and kill innocent people. Those kids that shoot up their schools in the US often have severe mental issues that are left untreated, in this case the reason is simple: Radical Islam and it's vile indoctrination techniques on young people.

Both causes should be dealt with better.

Whether they're third, fourth or fifth generation is irrelevant. Whether they are personally discriminated against is also irrelevant. When the Troubles were ongoing, many Irish Americans - some of whom were several generations there - were massively supportive of terrorism So much so that I remember a video of a U2 concert at which Bono lashed out at many he'd spoken to for being so ignorant.

The point is, if you're a young person of Middle Eastern descent growing up in the West today, you turn on the TV, watch the news, watch hollywood action films, watch political debates, browse the internet and what you get from it is that the West views the middle east as Western territory to be exploited at will. There is no denying this. And even if you're only a several generations on descendent, that's still going to piss you off, just as much as it pissed off Irish Americans of several generations to watch the British Army slaughter people on Bloody Sunday, or footage of that civil rights march where the RUC beat the sh!te out of that woman when they ambushed the march.

It makes you angry. Just like many Irish people felt anger in their guts when walking out of Michael Collins or The Wind That shakes The Barley. And in these cases, it's something that's happening now, that Western governments are complicit in and are totally unapologetic about. Supporting scum like the government of Saudi Arabia. Undermining democratically elected governments and installing fascist puppets, like in Egypt. Supporting imperialism and colonisation by a "western-esque" regime such as Israel. Invading and bombing the sh!t out of places like Iraq and Afghanistan. Openly declaring, in all but words, that any country which does not bend to Western foreign policy will face consequences for not doing so.

It cannot be denied that the climate these young people are growing up in, is one of "we own the middle east, and the people there are nothing but irrelevant savages who stand in the way of us getting free stuff". And that will always make people angry.

Orban, La Pen and the rest will benefit from this.

super_furry wrote: »

Absolutely. He and Bush have played a bigger role in the creation of ISIS than anyone else.

Yeah, more than, you know, the actual people who created ISIS.

Strider wrote: »

I think it's best to leave that to the experts actually on the scene, maybe people sitting behind a keyboard without a clue and calling for raids should shut up.

Didn't work in Mumbai but I think (hope) France will handle it better.

Uncle Ben wrote: »

Any comment from Le Pen yet?

She's been saying that this was going to happen for years now in fairness. What do we want now, an "I told you so" ?

There are over 150 'Sensitive Urban Zones' in the whole of France, Northern Marseilles comprising one of the largest. These are areas that the French republic has no control over and which its laws have no effect. Around 5% of the population of France live in these zones.

They are places that 'France as a nation has ceded to other powers' - both cultural and political - according to declarations by the French parliament.

Time to wake the f**k up. Progressivism and the 'Great Desired Utopia' is finished.. ages ago.

Deleted User wrote: »

Can this thread be closed, with only mods having access to posting news related to this? Otherwise it'll be the same pointless crap.

Nobody's forcing you to read comments on a COMMENTS BOARD

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Whether they're third, fourth or fifth generation is irrelevant. Whether they are personally discriminated against is also irrelevant. When the Troubles were ongoing, many Irish Americans - some of whom were several generations there - were massively supportive of terrorism So much so that I remember a video of a U2 concert at which Bono lashed out at many he'd spoken to for being so ignorant.

The point is, if you're a young person of Middle Eastern descent growing up in the West today, you turn on the TV, watch the news, watch hollywood action films, watch political debates, browse the internet and what you get from it is that the West views the middle east as Western territory to be exploited at will. There is no denying this. And even if you're only a several generations on descendent, that's still going to piss you off, just as much as it pissed off Irish Americans of several generations to watch the British Army slaughter people on Bloody Sunday, or footage of that civil rights march where the RUC beat the sh!te out of that woman when they ambushed the march.

It makes you angry. Just like many Irish people felt anger in their guts when walking out of Michael Collins or The Wind That shakes The Barley. And in these cases, it's something that's happening now, that Western governments are complicit in and are totally unapologetic about. Supporting scum like the government of Saudi Arabia. Undermining democratically elected governments and installing fascist puppets, like in Egypt. Supporting imperialism and colonisation by a "western-esque" regime such as Israel. Invading and bombing the sh!t out of places like Iraq and Afghanistan. Openly declaring, in all but words, that any country which does not bend to Western foreign policy will face consequences for not doing so.

It cannot be denied that the climate these young people are growing up in, is one of "we own the middle east, and the people there are nothing but irrelevant savages who stand in the way of us getting free stuff". And that will always make people angry.

I don't necessarily disagree with what you say about some of them facing discrimination, but that's not a reason to kill innocents, and it never will be.

I know that's now what you said, but your post does sound like it unfortunately.

You can not keep blaming the West for what these people do.