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Garda hits man with baton NAMA

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  • #212
    esforum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭esforum


    coolemon wrote: »
    Whatever happened to dealing with things peacefully?

    Lashing out in violence is never acceptable.

    remember that when the criminal murdering, raping, robbing or just plain assaulting your wife or kids despite your calm and measured arguement that violence is wrong


  • #213
    Míshásta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭Míshásta


    hots wrote: »
    Such a scummy thing to do (to anyone).


    Would you except anything else from that crowd.


  • #214
    esforum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭esforum


    STB. wrote: »
    He should have said stand back, stand back. I have told you to stand back. Do not have me use force.

    Its pretty standard training.

    Also you do not extend an asp above your shoulder and strike with your full weight.

    Stop talking, just stop. I have read you state how you use a baton a few times now and your wrong.

    You can extend the baton by flicking it over your shoulder or down to the ground depending on circumstances.

    IF and I repeat IF no audible warning has already been given you SHOULD give one.

    You aim for soft tissue areas, legs and arms where and when possible

    Where and when the situation arises you may use your baton without audible warning

    you may use your baton to quell breaches of the peace or disperse and unruly crowd.

    You may, believe it or not hit people with the bottom of the baton without extending it and punch people while holding the baton if need be.

    You always swing with your full weight, the situation has reached a level where you feel force is needed, not tickles.

    You DO hit more than one time if need be, Namely the aggressive person falls down or backup. Again it depends on circumstances

    thats Garda training as approved by ASP. Maybe other police forces do it their own way but I know the ASP approved method is the most common one.

    I dont believe the Garda will be charged and I suspect that actually the man who by his own admission only has a bump (Strange only getting a bump despite supposedly being hit 2 on the head full force by a baton) will not co-operate with GSOC because remember, they dont recognise the state or its Acts.

    Besides all that, look at social media, dont tell me this was peaceful and dont tell me it was only a biut of shoving, the idiots have let their true colours be shown quite clearly and anyone that wants to attack a persons home with his family inside it is not a 'protestor'


  • #215
    relax carry on
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,161 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    I'm so tired of these groups. They seem to have lost the ability to conduct peaceful protests which include obeying the laws of the state they are apart of and following the instructions of Gardaí. If they have a problem with the way their protest was policed or if an incident occurred which needs investigation then there are official channels and processes to follow.

    They really only seem to exist to provoke the Gardai or whatever body they have decided is their enemy for that particular protest. What did these groups do before the rise of social media and why do we pay any attention to them now?


  • #216
    darced
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  • #217
    Superhorse
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    quarefarmers wrote: »
    The guards name and address is doing the rounds on social media.

    Bad form on the address. Nobody can assault a sick old person like that and expect to remain unnamed though.


  • #218
    Superhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Superhorse


    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    I'd say given the evidence the loss of job is a given. He'd be doing well to avoid prison given the seriousness of the assault.


  • #219
    esforum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭esforum


    Evidence that its assault or that the man is sick?

    Didnt know being sick absolved you of the law, must remember to rob a bank next time I have a cold. Not a man flu though, wouldnt risk going outdoors with that!

    If I rob the bank with just a piece of paper claiming something sinister and dont have a weapon, not physically violent nor do I actually speak. Can the Gardai actually do anything to me? Just curious, ya know seeing as they must uise less force than they are threatened with apparantly.


  • #220
    Superhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Superhorse


    Mr.S wrote: »
    Says it all about the "protestors" tbh. Disgraceful.

    And you have the evidence one of the protesters gave out the Gardaí's name and address then I suppose or is it just unsubstantiated boll ox?


  • #221
    hots
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    Superhorse wrote: »
    Bad form on the address. Nobody can assault a sick old person like that and expect to remain unnamed though.

    Would ya stop with the emotive crap. You have an argument, you make it look farcical using language like that.


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  • #222
    esforum
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    Superhorse wrote: »
    I'd say given the evidence the loss of job is a given. He'd be doing well to avoid prison given the seriousness of the assault.

    He has a bump, a bump on the head that we are assuming was caused by the Garda.

    Seriousness of the assault, would ya cop on I got worse from my father


  • #223
    trixychic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭trixychic


    It may have been a bit hectic but surely the police have been trained to keep calm and orderly in such situations. That was completely shocking!!!

    Both hitting the elderly man and knocking down and trying to remove a Parkinson's sufferers walking stick. It is disgusting!!!!

    It is said the garda in question was later caught saying he thought it was an Irish water protest??? But how does the topic of the protest effect how he behaves. It was an absolute disgrace!!!!!


  • #224
    Superhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Superhorse


    esforum wrote: »
    Evidence that its assault or that the man is sick?

    Didnt know being sick absolved you of the law, must remember to rob a bank next time I have a cold. Not a man flu though, wouldnt risk going outdoors with that!

    If I rob the bank with just a piece of paper claiming something sinister and dont have a weapon, not physically violent nor do I actually speak. Can the Gardai actually do anything to me? Just curious, ya know seeing as they must uise less force than they are threatened with apparantly.

    Evidence of assault. Look at the video

    Evidence of man being sick. I have heard on the 5pm news he had Parkinson's, last I heard that's a sickness.


  • #225
    trixychic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭trixychic


    esforum wrote: »
    He has a bump, a bump on the head that we are assuming was caused by the Garda.

    Seriousness of the assault, would ya cop on I got worse from my father

    Then you had an abusive childhood. Neither of them is right!!!!

    We can't slap children these days but it's ok to "bump" as you say other humans on the head????

    That behaviour was not called for.


  • #226
    Superhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Superhorse


    esforum wrote: »
    He has a bump, a bump on the head that we are assuming was caused by the Garda.

    Seriousness of the assault, would ya cop on I got worse from my father

    Sorry to hear that. My dad never whacked me over the head with a metal bar though. Bump on the head can be serious especially for someone who is already suffering because of a terminal illness. My thoughts are with the man.


  • #227
    trixychic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭trixychic


    Mr.S wrote: »
    What exactly was so serious about the "assault" though?

    I'd understand if he was bleeding and taken to hospital but....


    It wad assalt!!! That's what's so serious. The man was assalted by another who is seen to be "in power".


  • #228
    Superhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Superhorse


    Mr.S wrote: »
    What exactly was so serious about the "assault" though?

    I'd understand if he was bleeding and taken to hospital but....

    Okay so you don't believe being attacked by someone twice your size with a metal bar isn't a serious assault? Remind me never to run into in a dark alley. Violence of any sort disgusts me but outright assault like that offends me.


  • #229
    Superhorse
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    Mr.S wrote: »
    What exactly was so serious about the "assault" though?

    I'd understand if he was bleeding and taken to hospital but....

    Okay so you don't believe being attacked by someone twice your size with a metal bar isn't a serious assault? Remind me never to run into you in a dark alley. Violence of any sort disgusts me but outright assault like that offends me.


  • #230
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Superhorse wrote: »
    ...
    Evidence of man being sick. I have heard on the 5pm news he had Parkinson's, last I heard that's a sickness.

    he shouldn't have been out in a protest and trying to take a gardas notebook then should he ?



    bit like i shouldn't be flying aircraft - be grand most of the time like but you don't want to hear

    "if anyone has any jellybabies you'd better hand them over now or we all end up stuck in the side of the mountain
    - thank you for flying with us "


  • #231
    trixychic
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    gctest50 wrote: »
    he shouldn't have been out in a protest

    taking the gardas notebook?? I hadn't seen that. No that was wrong.

    But just cause he has Parkinson's does that mean he "shouldn't" attend protest for something he believes in??? Ppl with illnesses or disability are just entitled to protest as everyone else.

    Saying that he shouldn't be there cause he has Parkinson's is discrimination.


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  • #232
    Into The Blue
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    Strange getting no coverage on mat copper. They're all over the unnamed ff td in the paper though.


  • #233
    tombliboo83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭tombliboo83


    Laughed out loud when I seen that eegit asking the guard to quote the section. Exact fella who was in Waterford a couple of months ago inciting hassle when none of the locals were. I've seen him pop up in other various videos around the country, I wonder what is his line of work?


  • #234
    the evasion_kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭the evasion_kid


    trixychic wrote: »
    taking the gardas notebook?? I hadn't seen that. No that was wrong.

    But just cause he has Parkinson's does that mean he "shouldn't" attend protest for something he believes in??? Ppl with illnesses or disability are just entitled to protest as everyone else.

    Saying that he shouldn't be there cause he has Parkinson's is discrimination.

    Indeed theres one poster on this thread who only a few months ago was rabidly defending his cause,shouting down others who had a different opinion,a case of you're entitled to your opinion....just as long as its the same as mine,it got so bad I was actually cringing with embarrassment for him one night......sometimes I wonder about folk.....short memories.


  • #235
    MadDog76
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    _davidsmith_ wrote: »
    http://www.joe.ie/news/video-garda-produces-baton-and-strikes-elderly-man-at-nama-protest-in-gorey/519357

    This shows a garda extending his baton and hitting a man in the neck with some amount of force. The man is clearly seen with his hands by his sides.

    Im not a garda hater, far from it, but this at least looks disgraceful. Im sure there is a full story, but on the face of it it is textbook assualt with a weapon.

    So post is asking

    What do you make of the video?

    Will there be ramifications?

    What could possibly happen to the guard if he is found to be offside here?

    Will it be swept under the carpet?

    What do you make of the video?

    It shows that Gardai are badly trained here in Ireland ........ this Garda buckled under immense pressure as he was never trained to deal with a situation like this ......... he had no idea how to read the crowd and/or situation so resorted to thuggish actions resulting in a tense situation escalating into a near riot.
    If he had proper training he may have been able to diffuse the situation and keep law & order in place.

    Will there be ramifications?

    No.

    What could possibly happen to the guard if he is found to be offside here?

    Nothing .......... he won't be found at fault anyway.

    Will it be swept under the carpet?

    Of course it will be, that's "normal" procedure.


  • #236
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    gctest50 wrote: »
    he shouldn't have been out in a protest and trying to take a gardas notebook then should he ?



    bit like i shouldn't be flying aircraft - be grand most of the time like but you don't want to hear

    "if anyone has any jellybabies you'd better hand them over now or we all end up stuck in the side of the mountain
    - thank you for flying with us "


    Sorry, but that's bullcrap. People have a right to protest and if it wasn't for people protesting at various things though history life for the average guy would be a hell of a lot worse.

    As for what was going on at this specific protest well that's another matter. You don't put your hand on a cop, ever for any reason and expect to get away with it.


  • #237
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    Terrence Great Campfire wrote: »
    There is another angle here, you can see them all pulling out of him (skip to 10 minutes in)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VI3RaVQE_0


    The baton was definitely an over-reaction but jesus christ the protesters are infuriating, they go out of their way to try and wind the Garda up

    Looks to me that the Guard got pushed off balance and then used his baton.fair reaction IMO.


  • #238
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Jayop wrote: »
    Sorry, but that's bullcrap. People have a right to protest and...........

    and and and

    try highlighting the whole line

    Originally Posted by gctest50

    he shouldn't have been out in a protest and trying to take a gardas notebook then should he ?


  • #239
    Superhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Superhorse


    Owen Unsightly Adhesive wrote: »
    Looks to me that the Guard got pushed off balance and then used his baton.fair reaction IMO.

    So next time a Gardaí pushes me "off balance" it would be a fair reaction to hit him over the head with a metal bar? Must remember that defence.


  • #240
    Paulzx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭Paulzx


    tombliboo83 wrote: »
    . I've seen him pop up in other various videos around the country, I wonder what is his line of work?


    Probably on a days leave:cool:


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  • #241
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    gctest50 wrote: »
    and and and

    try highlighting the whole line

    and and and..... Didn't I go on to address the rest of your post.


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