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Spectre (Bond 24)

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    #692
    Smertulitanus
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Smertulitanus


    you only live twice reboot


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    #693
    Riddle101
    Registered Users Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭Riddle101


    With Blofeld being reintroduced I wonder will we see more Bond villains from the past in future films. Namely Dr No and Goldfinger.


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    #694
    Japandamo
    Registered Users Posts: 183 ✭✭Japandamo


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    QoS was almost unwatchable. Anyone who liked that one has Bond tinted glasses on. The stupid plane scene alone ruined it.

    If I was on death row and they gave me the option of watching QoS before the lethal injection or taking the lethal injection immediately, I'd demand 2 lethal injections everytime.

    I laughed at this. I look forward to the next opportunity to steal the death row scenario for myself.

    Saw Bond today. To be honest I'd forgotten a lot of the back story from the last couple of films so in places I had to work hard to try to remember what was going on. I enjoyed the action and if I switched off my brain the movie was pretty good, but there were maybe three parts that nearly had me shouting at the cinema screen.
    In third we have the girl deciding she can't take this life just after they've reunited with M and the gang in the safe house. Would you not hang on for the evening and wait until all this 'omnipresent evil intelligence agency' business is put to bed? No, I think I'll just walk into the night on my own through London. Which isn't where I live.

    In second, we have the evil mastermind Blofelt who has been watching Bond's progress for the length of his career, pulling the strings, making his loved ones die. And seen how he escapes from tricky situations against all odds. Surely to Christ it would have been prudent to at least tie up the girl. And surely it would have been harder on James if he'd been drilling her head, and she couldn't recognise him before she died? And kill him without her knowing who he was? Not that that brain drilling worked anyway. I'd be looking for a refund on that gear and on the neurosurgery classes.

    And in first place we have a series of crudely drawn arrows especially for James to follow through the former MI6 headquarters. I'm no spy, but surely the clever thing to do would be to...not follow the trail that has been left for me by these nasty baddies? Maybe then he would have found the girl upstairs. Maybe he could have popped in behind Blofelt. That would have been awkward. Or maybe Madeline could have been tied up a bit better. You know, chains or something. Maybe she could have already been dead...oooh. I don't know, I feel they were really struggling for ideas on that whole scene.

    There were other parts, for one the fact that there is still a lady waiting for him to come back to the hotel room in Mexico City.

    Just my opinion. Nobody else I know has seen it, and it's been killing me not having anyone to talk to about it. Thanks for compensating for my lack of friends, and sorry if I've brought up points raised already.

    Overall I'd rate it a 6.5/10, but that's including an extra half point for the tentacle porn in the opening credits. You don't see half enough of that on the big screen.


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    #695
    Diairist
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    I agree.
    If you're in a helicopter trying to kill an assassin, why turn your back on him to thump the pilot. And then go back to hitting the assassin. And then thump the pilot again? Almost wrecked the extremely impressive Mexico City scene.

    Visually though it has loads to recommend it.


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    #696
    Fred Swanson
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    #697
    Harry Palmr
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    People take this stuff far too seriously - James Bond is a throwaway fantasy. Some are better than others, you take your chances every time you pay for a ticket.

    After the opening US weekend the estimated global tally is just under 300 million dollars so it'll wash its face.


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    #698
    LaGlisse
    Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭LaGlisse


    This was way too long, by at least 30 minutes, i groaned when i realised that there was going to be an extended london based ending.
    It certainly isnt the worst but it was just dull. The Craig Bonds just take themselves far too seriously, they tried introducing a bit of fun this time but it jarred with the seriousness of the rest of the film.
    Another thing with the 4 Craig Movies, there really hasnt been that many memorable action sequences, certainly nothing to stand alongside Goldeneyes Dam jump, Living daylights hanging out the back of a Plane ending or the skiiing of a cliff scene from whichever film that was.
    Seems like Mission Impossible is the franchise to go to now if you wasnt memeorable stunts


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    #699
    fin12
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    Did anyone else think it made no sense when
    he was fighting with that guy on the helicopter and started to attack the pilot as well at the same time, surely he should just kill of the other guy first before attacking the pilot and should the helicopter not have crashed or cut out with all the pressure it was put under, doesn't make any sense to me
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    #700
    StringerBell
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    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    QoS was almost unwatchable. Anyone who liked that one has Bond tinted glasses on. The stupid plane scene alone ruined it.

    If I was on death row and they gave me the option of watching QoS before the lethal injection or taking the lethal injection immediately, I'd demand 2 lethal injections everytime.

    Such a flair for the dramatic is wasted on a mere message board! :D

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #701
    Tony EH
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    I can only echo what others have said on here and the "what have you watched thread", 'Spectre' one big, dumb, ass of a film.

    Unfortunately it isn't an enjoyable big, dumb, ass of a film and goes a long way to undoing all the good they've done with the franchise since Craig's tenure at the helm. It's unfortunate, as the opening is quite good and there are definitely things to like in there, but it tries to be too spectacular, becomes annoyingly silly and ends up knocking 'Quantum of Solace' off the bottom spot in this iteration of the series.

    However, why they felt the need to neuter Craig's Bond into a (retro) wise cracking "superhero", I don't know. They spent three films making him the best (and most "realistic") Bond, then destroy it all in one go. All of the great ground work done in 'Casino Royale' etc, blown to bits in an idiotic "rollyoureyes" fest, that chose paths it just didn't have to take.

    'Spectre' felt closer to one of those awful 80's Roger Moore efforts than it did to the previous three films and while I'm sure that may please some people, that kind of stuff doesn't fly these days. I'm not sure it flew in the 80's either.

    Mark Kermode in his 4/5 review said he found a lot of laughs in 'Spectre'. I only found one and I don't think I was supposed to laugh at it.
    Lea Seydoux says "I love you" to Bond. :rolleyes: You only met a couple of days ago FFS.

    And some elements are confusing...
    what exactly was the plan in going to Blofeld's gaff? Just to see what would happen?

    I heard that Craig doesn't want to do any more Bond films. I don't think I do either.


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    #702
    LaGlisse
    Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭LaGlisse


    I reckon theres a bit of the marketing budget that goes on buttering up English Film critics,dont know how this reviewes so well.
    Its a bit like how you just cannot trust Irish reviewers opinions on Irish movies, they are always going to boost it


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    #703
    BuilderPlumber
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    Riddle101 wrote: »
    With Blofeld being reintroduced I wonder will we see more Bond villains from the past in future films. Namely Dr No and Goldfinger.

    Still haven't got around to seeing SPECTRE but hopefully this weekend. I hope we do not go down the remake road with a new version of Goldfinger or Dr No. We already got a remake of Thunderball and there was plans for another that somehow never got made called Warhead 2000.

    Reintroducing Blofeld works and part of this was he was intended to be in the earlier films again after the Kevin McClory stuff died down. The assumption was he survived Diamonds are Forever and would be back later (he was supposed to be the main bad guy in The Spy Who Loved Me but McClory intervened and indeed Stromberg is really a Blofeld derivative anyway). The series then gave up on Blofeld's return and just showed his demise in a pretitle sequence in the 1980s.

    A total remake of Goldfinger or From Russia With Love probably would not work and would not be as good as the originals. This would also spell the end of the series imo too. It is best to use instead unused Fleming material like the short story From A View To A Kill, etc.


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    #704
    BuilderPlumber
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    StringerBell wrote: »
    Not exactly the right thread for it I guess, but I rewatched QOS recently and still don't get the extreme hate it got/gets, is it because it is basically a revenge movie? A more direct sequel then you would usually associate with Bond? Is it cause it was more action then thought?

    It is a hell of a lot of fun really and I must say I enjoyed the re watch probably more then I remembered liking it the first time around, I was a big fan of License to Kill also though which was not your typical Bond film either. I have yet to watch Spectre, but for my moneys worth Craig hasn't had a "bad" outing yet as Bond.

    Hoping it keeps up when I do get around to watching Spectre

    I have always enjoyed Quantum of Solace too. It is a good action film. As a fan of both Bond and Mad Max, I think this film blends elements of the two. The scene where Bond leaves Greene out in the desert with the can of oil is very like the end scene of the first Mad Max. Then, there's a Thunderdome style fight as well and the water scarcity plot.

    I think why the film gets a lot of undeserved hate is because it followed up Casino Royale, which is the best Bond for years. It was always difficult to follow but Quantum to me is a much better film than given credit. Way better than all 4 of Brosnan's films for certain. Also, it should be seen as the conclusion of Casino Royale and you need to see both films to appreciate them fully.

    Craig has not done a bad Bond and I find myself watching all 3 of his pre-SPECTRE outings over and over. Much better than many other ones in the series.


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    #705
    SimonTemplar
    Registered Users Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭SimonTemplar


    I noticed a fun little movie connection.
    When Christophe Waltz first meets Lea Seydoux in the asteroid room he says "I once visited your house to talk to your father". That is exactly what happened at the start of Inglorious Bastards. Lea had a tiny role as one of the farmer's daughters.


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    #706
    Technocentral
    Registered Users Posts: 6,102 ✭✭✭Technocentral


    I don't like action movies in general but thought it was enjoyable enough nonsense, though
    that net that happened to be there at the end in the old MI6 HQ as they fell
    was really taking the piss!


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    #707
    flangemeistro
    Registered Users Posts: 1,692 ✭✭✭flangemeistro


    SimonTemplar wrote: »
    I noticed a fun little movie connection.
    When Christophe Waltz first meets Lea Seydoux in the asteroid room he says "I once visited your house to talk to your father". That is exactly what happened at the start of Inglorious Bastards. Lea had a tiny role as one of the farmer's daughters.

    I put two and two together and presumed he was the guy who she shot when she was a child when he came to the house to kill her father.


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    #708
    ButtersSuki
    Registered Users Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    SimonTemplar wrote: »
    I noticed a fun little movie connection.
    When Christophe Waltz first meets Lea Seydoux in the asteroid room he says "I once visited your house to talk to your father". That is exactly what happened at the start of Inglorious Bastards. Lea had a tiny role as one of the farmer's daughters.

    Well if you want another....
    Ben Wishaw (Q) kills Craig at the end of Layer Cake - which contains a very Bond-like scene when he's given Gene's gun...even Matthew Vaughn mentions it in the Director's Commentary, some quip along the lines of "someone thinks they're James Bond here" :)


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    #709
    ancapailldorcha
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    Saw it last week. Dreary, tedious nonsense that was above the ability of even Christoph Waltz to save. It badly needed more of Monica Bellucci instead of the generic love interest but it's all been seen before. Ultimately, the plot boils down to
    a petty tiff which somehow spans the globe.
    The worst of the lot which is a shame given how great Craig is in the role.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #710
    flangemeistro
    Registered Users Posts: 1,692 ✭✭✭flangemeistro


    Saw it for the second time last night and once again all three screens in my local omniplex were sold out.
    It's even better on the second showing you notice a few more details.
    Like I never noticed Blofeld at the Rome funeral until last night.
    Also the opening sequence actually makes a lot more sense on the second viewing.
    I can confirm you can clearly see Bonds white shirt collar as he's watching MoneyPenny leave through the window so no he did not have sexual relations with that woman,
    I was also looking out for Bonds use of a Sony phone as there was a ridiculous story in the times that Craig and Mendes refused £50 million offers from Sony and Samsung to have Bond use their handsets but they wouldn't because " Bond only uses the best". But he clearly uses a Sony phone on Hands free mode during the Rome car chase.
    I also don't see people's problem with the safety net in the old headquarters, you can see when he looks up through the net that the top of the building has broken away and is unsafe so this is a debris net, it's laughable that people are saying the safety net out is laughable but don't mention the Mexico couch scene.
    Still a highly enjoyable movie second time around. Would highly recommend.


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    #711
    eeguy
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    I rewatched Quantum last night and it's much better on the second go.

    Maybe not Bond quality, but by no means a bad movie in terms of action and characters, although the plot is still absent.

    Hopefully a rewatch of Spectre could shine a better light on it.


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    #712
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,086 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    'Quantum of Solace' isn't a bad picture, although I thought it was a bit "meh" the first time I saw it. I think the main trouble with it, is it's a bit too short and it's unfocused. Watched back to back, 'Casino Royale', 'Quantum of Solace' and 'Skyfall + a few beers'n'pizza isn't a bad night in.:cool:

    The trouble with 'Spectre' is that it's just too stupid, packed with too much misguided fan service and it goes back on everything that was making the Craig Bond films good.


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    SimonTemplar
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    Regarding the silliness of the plot and the villain's background:
    I don't really have am issue with Blofeld being behind the previous three villains. Le Chiffe and Greene were obviously part of or connected to a larger organisation. Blofeld's connection with Silva could simply have been to provide him with funds and manpower and watched frpm a far while Silva wrecked havoc.

    The problem I do have is making Blofeld Bond's step brother because it adds absolutely nothing to the movie. It is admirable that Mendes is trying to make Bond a more rounded three dimensional character but Bond being related to the very person he is hunting didn't work for me. This isn't Breaking Bad.

    I was also bored by most of the Austrian sequence especially the plane / car chase. That action scene was very pedestrian and gimmicky - something more akin to a lesser Moore or Brosnan movie than a Craig one.

    Also Monica Bellucci was criminally underused, especially as I believe the producers had been wanted her in a Bond movie for years. It would have been interesting, and I'm thinking off the cuff here, if Mendes played a double bluff and Bellucci ended up being Blofeld and Oberhouser was number 2 simply playing the role of Spectre head for deception purposes. The Craig era is a reboot so they would have had freedom to do it. It really would have been a WTF moment for Bond as he woke up on the torture chair to find her at the controls.

    That being said I think Waltz did a good job. I was concerned that would have too much faux-friendliness like Hans Landa but he was proper menacing. The trailer did spoil the cool moment were he reveals he knows Bond is at the meeting. That would have been a better moment if it wasn't spoiled for us.

    All in all, it has problems and is definately too long but it has enough entertainment value to keep it within the top 50% of the franchise. Craig continues to impress and I believe he gives the best acting performances of all the Bond actors.

    I would like him and Waltz to have one final confrontation before he leaves the series.


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    #714
    Telecaster58
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    I was quite disappointed with Spectre. I found it overblown and certainly overlong. The plot holes, outlined in the spoilers above, really did detract from the film. The song over the opening credits is one of the worst I have ever heard and deserves all the criticism it is receiving. I was going to say the whole film is a triumph of style over substance, but I don't even think it reaches that level.
    On a slightly different issue, the classification of the film as a 12A is strange. Certainly it is at the top end of this classification, and if honest should have been a 15A. There were certaily a couple of scenes that made me wince.


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    #715
    fin12
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    Telecaster58 wrote: »
    I was quite disappointed with Spectre. I found it overblown and certainly overlong. The plot holes, outlined in the spoilers above, really did detract from the film. The song over the opening credits is one of the worst I have ever heard and deserves all the criticism it is receiving. I was going to say the whole film is a triumph of style over substance, but I don't even think it reaches that level.
    On a slightly different issue, the classification of the film as a 12A is strange. Certainly it is at the top end of this classification, and if honest should have been a 15A. There were certaily a couple of scenes that made me wince.

    Ya I've only noticed that with one other film, Rock of ages has a 12 classification but I definitely think it should have been 15.


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    #716
    Tony EH
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    There was nothing in 'Spectre' that a 12 year old couldn't handle.


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    #717
    byronbay2
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    LaGlisse wrote: »
    I reckon theres a bit of the marketing budget that goes on buttering up English Film critics,dont know how this reviewes so well.

    Yeah, no doubt about that. Maybe they ask the reviewers to "put on the white jersey" when it comes to Bond. Anyway, as someone has already said, it reflects badly on (in particular) Mark Kermode and The Guardian (Peter Bradshaw) for their over-the-top and completely unjustified gushing reviews for Spectre.

    http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/oct/21/spectre-review-james-bond-is-back-stylish-camp-and-sexily-pro-snowden


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    e_e
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    LaGlisse wrote: »
    I reckon theres a bit of the marketing budget that goes on buttering up English Film critics,dont know how this reviewes so well.
    Its a bit like how you just cannot trust Irish reviewers opinions on Irish movies, they are always going to boost it
    My theory is that they were all given pitchers of martini before the screening. :pac:

    I doubt British critics would have been as forgiving if it was a Mission Impossible movie.


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    #719
    Giruilla
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    e_e wrote: »
    My theory is that they were all given pitchers of martini before the screening. :pac:

    I doubt British critics would have been as forgiving if it was a Mission Impossible movie.

    Did you read Peter Bradshaws review? Heres a quote from it when he describes Spectre..
    This is the evil organisation whose tentacular reach and extensive personnel may in fact have accounted for all Bond’s woes in Craig’s previous three movies.

    The guy is a cretin. His reviews are basically just summaries of what happens in the film.

    Kermode, I'm surprised at. His reviews definitely don't hold the weight they used to.


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    Tony EH
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    Well, in fairness to Kermode, it's one hiccup in a sea of largely spot on reviews.


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    #721
    eviltimeban
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    Tony EH wrote: »
    Well, in fairness to Kermode, it's one hiccup in a sea of largely spot on reviews.

    No I think he got it right. It's a Bond movie FFS, he knows that, and most people know that. People are getting their knickers in a twist because it's not something Lars Von Triers might have directed.


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