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Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

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  • #1592
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Colonialboy wrote: »
    looks like Arsenes experiment with Chambers as a CB is coming to an end... now if only someone had pointed that out like 1 year and 1 month ago....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=92539129

    Arsene is spending too much time worrying about his photoshoot with L'Esquire and not enough time on the team and what it needs.
    Where are you even getting this from? There's nothing to suggest Chambers 'experiment' at CB is coming to an end.


  • #1593
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    AdamD wrote: »
    Where are you even getting this from? There's nothing to suggest Chambers 'experiment' at CB is coming to an end.

    me suspects he use the Anglo Approximation...


  • #1594
    symbolic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭symbolic


    Wenger out, ColonialBoy in?

    Really enjoyed reading Wenger's interview. He's the reason I follow how Arsenal are doing, attend the Emirates and watch Arsenal hoping they win. Dunno what I'll do when he leaves, and God I hope they win the league before he does leave, that would be the best thing to watch ever.

    For me, they are such a great team to watch under him. Pep is the only other manager for me. But Wenger still has something special over Pep I think.


  • #1595
    Ken Shamrock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,192 ✭✭✭Ken Shamrock


    symbolic wrote: »
    Wenger out, ColonialBoy in?

    Really enjoyed reading Wenger's interview. He's the reason I follow how Arsenal are doing, attend the Emirates and watch Arsenal hoping they win. Dunno what I'll do when he leaves, and God I hope they win the league before he does leave, that would be the best thing to watch ever.

    For me, they are such a great team to watch under him. Pep is the only other manager for me. But Wenger still has something special over Pep I think.

    If this were 10-20 years ago I'd share your sentiment. But In this day and age I'm not sure what Wenger has over Pep? It's funny how I was laughed at for saying Rooney etc are good players and told that their history doesn't matter yet In every managerial debate Wengers history Is all that gets talked about. (Not aimed at you Symbolic)


  • #1596
    symbolic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭symbolic


    Ken Shamrock wrote: »
    If this were 10-20 years ago I'd share your sentiment. But In this day and age I'm not sure what Wenger has over Pep?

    I think I've bought into the whole, how did his barca team play so many games that time. I loved watching them, but I think in the back of my mind there is some doubt :) I loved watching that team though!

    And the fact that they were littered with some of the best players in the world. Peps had it easy :)

    Also I think Rooney is a great player ;)


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  • #1597
    symbolic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭symbolic


    A nice ol read about Coquelin :

    http://www.arsenal.com/news/features/20151007/-my-family-watched-me-win-the-fa-cup-


  • #1598
    jonneymendoza
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭jonneymendoza


    Ken Shamrock wrote: »
    If this were 10-20 years ago I'd share your sentiment. But In this day and age I'm not sure what Wenger has over Pep? It's funny how I was laughed at for saying Rooney etc are good players and told that their history doesn't matter yet In every managerial debate Wengers history Is all that gets talked about. (Not aimed at you Symbolic)

    Wengers won 2 cups recently. Rooney has been a joke last two seasons. big difference


  • #1599
    wonga77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,629 ✭✭✭wonga77


    symbolic wrote: »
    I think I've bought into the whole, how did his barca team play so many games that time. I loved watching them, but I think in the back of my mind there is some doubt :) I loved watching that team though!

    And the fact that they were littered with some of the best players in the world. Peps had it easy :)

    Also I think Rooney is a great player ;)

    I dont get all the love in for pep if im honest. He had a Barca squad that was superior to anything else in the world at the time. Yes he won a pile of trophies and retired a club legend but look at the players he was working with. He then went to Bayern, another team littered with some of the top players in the world.
    Im not saying he's not a great manager but id like to see what he could do with an average squad and limited spending funds.
    I may not like Mourinho but he took Porto from nowhere to win a CL and Inter who were in disarray to win a CL proving himself to be a top manager (even if he is spoiling it all now with his ridiculous behaviour)


  • #1600
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    Ken Shamrock wrote: »
    If this were 10-20 years ago I'd share your sentiment. But In this day and age I'm not sure what Wenger has over Pep? It's funny how I was laughed at for saying Rooney etc are good players and told that their history doesn't matter yet In every managerial debate Wengers history Is all that gets talked about. (Not aimed at you Symbolic)
    People (or maybe just myself) give Wenger lee-way not just because of what he achieved in the past but because of the circumstances he had to work under in more recent years. It would be like Rooney having to play in 15 year old Boots and still expecting him to be top goalscorer every year.


  • #1601
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,133 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    wonga77 wrote: »
    I dont get all the love in for pep if im honest. He had a Barca squad that was superior to anything else in the world at the time. Yes he won a pile of trophies and retired a club legend but look at the players he was working with. He then went to Bayern, another team littered with some of the top players in the world.
    Im not saying he's not a great manager but id like to see what he could do with an average squad and limited spending funds.
    I may not like Mourinho but he took Porto from nowhere to win a CL and Inter who were in disarray to win a CL proving himself to be a top manager (even if he is spoiling it all now with his ridiculous behaviour)
    I honestly don't think Mourinho is a great manager. He knows how to get the best out of a team on a short term basis. He's never left a team better than when he joined


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  • #1602
    kellso81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭kellso81


    Quazzie wrote: »
    I honestly don't think Mourinho is a great manager. He knows how to get the best out of a team on a short term basis. He's never left a team better than when he joined

    Porto and chelsea first time around


  • #1603
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,133 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    kellso81 wrote: »
    Porto and chelsea first time around

    Unless I'm mistaken he left Porto in debt, so they had to sell a lot of their star players and he left Avram Grant a side dejected and unable to perform. The core of his successes came from players bought or developed by Ranieri. All he did was get them to play at their peak for a short successful period. As soon as things turned sour he bolted,


  • #1604
    Pierce_1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭Pierce_1991


    Quazzie wrote: »
    Unless I'm mistaken he left Porto in debt, so they had to sell a lot of their star players and he left Avram Grant a side dejected and unable to perform. The core of his successes came from players bought or developed by Ranieri. All he did was get them to play at their peak for a short successful period. As soon as things turned sour he bolted,

    Definitely agree on Porto. He left them after winning the Champions League and it was all downhill after that. Funnily enough I was reading an article recently about his return to Porto with Chelsea and it was saying that AVB actually got more of a hero's welcome when he went back than Jose did.

    In terms of Chelsea on the first occasion you're maybe being a little harsh. They did go on to reach the Champions League final that season. Not exactly leaving them in a terrible state.


  • #1605
    Ol' Donie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,779 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    kellso81 wrote: »
    Porto and chelsea first time around

    The Chelsea team Roman bought made the Champion's League final with Avram Grant the next season.

    If he hadn't called himself The bleedin Special One and given the press all those nasty little soundbites, that management period would be remembered as an achievement in the same way Di Matteo winning the Champion's League is.


  • #1606
    ShoulderChip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭ShoulderChip


    Quazzie wrote: »
    I honestly don't think Mourinho is a great manager. He knows how to get the best out of a team on a short term basis. He's never left a team better than when he joined

    Is that really something that you go around judging managers on?


  • #1607
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,133 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    ShoulderChip wrote: »
    Is that really something that you go around judging managers on?
    Very much so. It's one of the reasons I have massive respect for Wenger. He has many downfalls, which I've been quite vocal on here in the past but I know he'll leave the club better than he got it. Another is Klopp in my opinion with Dortmund. He came in at a time when they were not playing to potential, and he changed that. He fulfilled their potential, and when it went bad for him, he left, but the club is still doing well. Their current standing is better than when he joined.

    'Arry is another example of a manager who has left every club he has ever managed in a worse position than when he joined, but that's down to a whole different set of reasons to Jose.


  • #1608
    the untitled user
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,334 ✭✭✭the untitled user


    ShoulderChip wrote: »
    Is that really something that you go around judging managers on?

    In almost all other walks of life it is. Why should football be any different? Clubs are bigger than any one individual after all.


  • #1609
    G1032
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭G1032


    I was just listening to the Football Weekly podcast from Monday night on the way into work this morning and they reckon that the only team that Spurs have never finished above since the start of the Premier League is Arsenal :D

    I knew they'd never finished above Arsenal in the PL era but was never aware we were the only team they could never finish above. They gotta hate that :)


  • #1610
    ronjo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,187 ✭✭✭ronjo


    G1032 wrote: »
    I was just listening to the Football Weekly podcast from Monday night on the way into work this morning and they reckon that the only team that Spurs have never finished above since the start of the Premier League is Arsenal :D

    I knew they'd never finished above Arsenal in the PL era but was never aware we were the only team they could never finish above. They gotta hate that :)


    Did they not fiinish ahead of us in 1995?


  • #1611
    G1032
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭G1032


    ronjo wrote: »
    Did they not fiinish ahead of us in 1995?

    I didn't actually check it out. Just what the lads on the Football Weekly were saying.

    Edit. Nope. We were 4th in 1995. They were 6th

    Edit 2 - Noooooooo
    They finished ahead of us in 1992/93

    Just as well I didn't go around slagging any Sp*rs fans at work :-)


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  • #1612
    ronjo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,187 ✭✭✭ronjo


    G1032 wrote: »
    I didn't actually check it out. Just what the lads on the Football Weekly were saying.

    Edit. Nope. We were 4th in 1995. They were 6th

    No way were we 4th in 95.
    Around Easter we were just outside the relegation zone.


  • #1613
    KaiserGunner
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    We finished 12th 94/95 season and they finished 7th I think, so they were definitely ahead of us in that shocking season.


  • #1614
    ronjo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,187 ✭✭✭ronjo


    G1032 wrote: »
    I didn't actually check it out. Just what the lads on the Football Weekly were saying.

    Edit. Nope. We were 4th in 1995. They were 6th

    Edit 2 - Noooooooo
    They finished ahead of us in 1992/93

    Just as well I didn't go around slagging any Sp*rs fans at work :-)

    Yes, that year too.. From what I remember we drew on the last day and they passed us out.
    So basically the finished ahead of us twice in the first 3 years of it. THese lads really know their stuff. :pac:


  • #1615
    G1032
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭G1032


    ronjo wrote: »
    No way were we 4th in 95.
    Around Easter we were just outside the relegation zone.
    KaiserGunner wrote: »
    We finished 12th 94/95 season and they finished 7th I think, so they were definitely ahead of us in that shocking season.

    I apologise. I was checking the tables on the PL website but it never refreshed for me when I clicked into the 94/95 season.

    Well it was a nice story for a while!! Damn you Football Weekly anyway. :o


  • #1616
    cashback
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭cashback


    G1032 wrote: »
    I apologise. I was checking the tables on the PL website but it never refreshed for me when I clicked into the 94/95 season.

    Well it was a nice story for a while!! Damn you Football Weekly anyway. :o

    Yeah, it's only been 20 years. Sounds much better for Spurs!


  • #1617
    Sacksian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭Sacksian


    I think the correct stat is:

    Since Arsène Wenger became manager of Arsenal, Spurs have finished above every club in the Premier League except one (can you guess which one?!).

    And, for a bonus, Arsenal finished Top Four in 23 of 92 seasons before Arsène Wenger became manager. Under him, it's 19 from 19 seasons.


  • #1618
    ronjo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,187 ✭✭✭ronjo


    Sacksian wrote: »
    I think the correct stat is:

    Since Arsène Wenger became manager of Arsenal, Spurs have finished above every club in the Premier League except one (can you guess which one?!).

    And, for a bonus, Arsenal finished Top Four in 23 of 92 seasons before Arsène Wenger became manager. Under him, it's 19 from 19 seasons.

    That bonus stat is unbelievably impressive.


  • #1619
    Sacksian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭Sacksian


    ronjo wrote: »
    That bonus stat is unbelievably impressive.

    Yeah, I went to check it here, just to be sure!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arsenal_F.C._seasons

    It might actually be 26 before Wenger.


  • #1620
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ol' Donie wrote: »
    The Chelsea team Roman bought made the Champion's League final with Avram Grant the next season.

    If he hadn't called himself The bleedin Special One and given the press all those nasty little soundbites, that management period would be remembered as an achievement in the same way Di Matteo winning the Champion's League is.

    And all the other managers who have gotten record point totals in the league can attest to that-oh wait.

    I'm prone to a Jose dig as much as the next man but before the Madrid move he was probably the best manager in the world.


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  • #1621
    Colonialboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭Colonialboy


    Quazzie wrote: »
    I honestly don't think Mourinho is a great manager. He knows how to get the best out of a team on a short term basis. He's never left a team better than when he joined

    I agree Im not sure about that Jose fella...
    After all he only went 9 years unbeaten at home in his respective leagues .
    I think thats astonishing...

    Between 23 February 2002 and 2 April 2011, Mourinho went 150 home league matches unbeaten: 38 (W36–D2) with Porto, 60 (W46–D14) with Chelsea, 38 (W29–D9) with Internazionale and 14 (W14–D0) with Real Madrid. The run was broken by Sporting de Gijón on 2 April 2011, when they defeated Real Madrid 1–0 at the Santiago Bernabéu Stadium in La Liga. After the match, Mourinho entered Gijón's dressing room and congratulated them. His only prior home league defeat had come when Porto lost 3–2 to Beira-Mar on 23 February 2002.

    seems some people are so sensitive they cant complement another team/managers achivements nor accept criticism for their own team/managers failings.


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