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Off the Fence....and looking to go sub 3 hrs

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭WithCheesePlease


    Hey, I'm sorry to see you won't be at DCM this year. I'm not just because I was hoping to shadow you as my own personal pacer again :rolleyes:

    I'm not quite where I was for Berlin last year but I've still taken the decision to head off with the 3 hour pacers. Shur what's the worst that can happen... I'll keep an eye out for you as I'm going around. If the see the 3 hour balloons ahead of me you'll know the wheels have come off :D

    Best of luck with the recovery and build up to Boston


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    Hey, I'm sorry to see you won't be at DCM this year. I'm not just because I was hoping to shadow you as my own personal pacer again :rolleyes:

    I'm not quite where I was for Berlin last year but I've still taken the decision to head off with the 3 hour pacers. Shur what's the worst that can happen... I'll keep an eye out for you as I'm going around. If the see the 3 hour balloons ahead of me you'll know the wheels have come off :D

    Best of luck with the recovery and build up to Boston

    Cheers, G. Best of luck on the 26th and I will be sporting my very bright orange Berlin Jacket on the sidelines so I shouldn't be easily missed.

    I will be looking out for you in the shadow of the 3hr pacer biding your time to push on. Hopefully we will see you in McGrattan's afterwards..........you still owe me a half dozen drinks :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭aquinn


    FBOT01 wrote: »
    Cheers, G. Best of luck on the 26th and I will be sporting my very bright orange Berlin Jacket on the sidelines so I shouldn't be easily missed.

    Marathon day outfit sorted, very important :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    aquinn wrote: »
    Marathon day outfit sorted, very important :D

    More importantly I have supported in it before so won't be doing anything new on race day :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    FBOT01 wrote: »
    More importantly I have supported in it before so won't be doing anything new on race day :P

    I'm in trouble so, have not even thought about my supporters outfit and there's less than 2 weeks to go!!! :eek::eek::D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭aquinn


    13 days, how have you not planned this already. Even FBOT01 is ready. I hope you have the supporters table ordered and stocked? Novices can't wait!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    seeing as you liked it so much I think you might need some Tuesday morning motivation too what's the story here then M?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    Firedance wrote: »
    seeing as you liked it so much I think you might need some Tuesday morning motivation too what's the story here then M?

    Cheers AM. Still running and planning on doing Waterford Half. Hip and mojo are still not quite there but are getting there.:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    My running lately has been a bit more consistent than my logging on here and life is pretty OK so who’s complaining ;)

    I'd like to be coming on here like Killerz with some mad PB or endurance feat to report but I am afraid there is nothing of the sort.

    Glute/hip/back still not 100% and haven't been as diligent as I should be with exercise. Haven't made it to the pool in a couple of weeks either..........on the plus side I was in Cardiff from Ireland v France so October was far from a write off!!

    October summary as follows:

    05/10/2015 - 11/10/2015
    Mon - Rest
    Tues - 8m @ 08.44 avg pace (General Aerobic - Easy) Joined Murph for this one. Very pleasant evening work.
    Wed - 6.2m @ 08:56 avg pace (Recovery) Lunchtime recovery slog with Yaboya. Company is alway a nice distraction. Yaboya was still feeling the effects of Athlone 3/4.
    Thurs - 8m @ 08:16 avg pace (General Aerobic - Easy) This time I had Ferris for company to while away the time.
    Fri - Rest
    Sat - 9.3m @ 07:54 avg pace (Progression) Early start on a very pleasant morning. Not as progressive as I would have liked it to be.
    Sun - No running as in Cardiff for Ireland v France............no words!!!

    11/10/2015 - 18/10/2015
    Mon - No running. Bristol the day after the night before.............no words!!!
    Tues - No running. Family wedding.
    Wed - 8.2m @ 07:17 avg pace (LT - 20mins LT/4mins Jog/16mins LT) first session of any kind in a while. Have felt worse.
    Thurs - No running. Life got in the way. Sports massage in the evening. Bounced off the table when she went to work on the right hip flexor and ITB
    Fri - 3.5m @ 08:30 avg pace (Recovery) Canned it after 3.5m as legs too tender from Sports Massage the previous evening. Family Wedding in the afternoon;
    Sat - No running. The day after the night before.
    Sun - 8.5m @ 08:14 avg pace (General Aerobic - Easy) Spent the day looking for excuse not to run. Eventually I manned up and got on with it. Hip a bit tender

    19/10/2015 - 25/10/2015
    Mon - Rest
    Tues – 8.9m @ 08:18 avg pace (General Aerobic) Post Yoga run. Skipped the hill sprints and strides
    Wed – 9.2m @ 08:14 avg pace (Endurance) Enjoyable run with Ferris probably should have been a little more progressive than it was.
    Thurs – 3.1m @ 11:31 avg pace. Joined Mrs Mc for 3 easy miles as she prepares for the Big One on Monday.
    Fri – 9m @ 08:00 avg pace (VO2 Max 6x1k @ 3-5k) Did this out on the grass along the coast. Windy and tough. Nowhere near the pace I need to be hitting but hip survived OK. Bumped in Duanington on a leisurely jog home from work. Looked relaxed and ready to go for Monday.
    1k Paces – 06:20/06:04/06:27/06:34/06:33/06:26
    Sat - Rest.
    Sun – 12.2m @ 07:49 avg pace (Endurance) A warm afternoon jaunt around the Southside with Ferris. We took in the last two miles of the DCM Course to make sure we knew what we were missing.

    26/10/2015 - 01/11/2015
    Mon – Rest. The rest was only from running. Spent the day on the bike jumping from point to point supporting Mrs Mc and others doing DCM. Mrs Mc did a cracking job and came home smiling. Great run by her and well deserved result on her debut. I had a great day out in the company of my Sister-in-Laws who were cheering and as loud at miles 25 if not louder, as they had been at mile 2.
    Was delighted to see all the great performances from the folks around here and beyond and enjoyed catching up with so many in McGrattan’s afterwards.
    Tues – Rest. Life got in the way.
    Wed – 2.8m @ 08:19 avg pace. This should have been 9m including 6 @ LT but my hip failed the TRR pain test so I toddled home tail between my legs to use the time more wisely doing my rehab exercises and foam rolling rather than sucking it up and potentially doing more damage.
    Thurs – 6.3m @ 08:10 avg pace (General Aerobic) Yesterday’s decision to can the LT run and do exercises instead paid dividend and I manage to get in 6 relatively comfortable miles followed by more exercises and foam rolling;
    Fri – 7m @ 07:36 avg pace (General Aerobic – Steady w10x100m strides) Change of strategy today. I have been doing a lot of slow running lately with the opinion that this was helping/protecting the hip. I decided today that I might be better off focusing on form and getting more mobility into the joint rather than running slow with a shorten stride. The longer fuller stride meant that I ended up running faster. The speed was a by-product rather than the aim. Did the strides along the seafront.
    Sat – 3.1m @ 08:33 avg pace (St Anne’s parkrun) Nice friendly fun run around St Anne’s parkrun in fancy dress followed by coffee with the volunteer crew.
    Sun – 13.1m @ 07:20 avg pace (Endurance) Decided to stick with the longer stride faster run option for the one. Headed off into town and up into the PP along the DCM course from JJ Bridge to North Road. This is indeed a good drag and if I am racing and pacing along this route at some point in the future I won’t be too worried if the pace drops by +10sec/mile on this section. Came back along the canal and pulled the plug after the planned 13 even though I was 2 miles from home as all had gone well up to that point and didn’t want to push my luck.

    That’s almost up to date. Will summarise this week later and then make a real effort to get back to logging daily as it is hard to remember the detail of each run when you block report them like this.

    The faster running or the less plodding has certainly helped bring the Mojo up a level this week. I just need to be careful not to get carried away with it and neglect the fact that I still have an issue with the glute/hip that needs to be managed and rehabed until 100% sorted.

    Next up is 1:40 pacing at the Gingerbread Half on the 22nd November followed by Waterford Half on 5th December which I signed up for today. Might throw in a parkrun painfest at some stage before the end of the year if all else goes to plan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Killerz


    FBOT01 wrote: »

    I'd like to be coming on here like Killerz with some mad PB or endurance feat to report but I am afraid there is nothing of the sort.

    Haha. I'd love to come on to boards more often and keep a regular log :)

    Nice couple of things in the pipeline there for you over next month or so to form a solid base for Boston. Wish I was going!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    FBOT01 wrote: »
    Glute/hip/back still not 100% and haven't been as diligent as I should be with exercise.

    Do your exercises you silly billy :D
    FBOT01 wrote: »
    Next up is 1:40 pacing at the Gingerbread Half on the 22nd November

    I would have been surgically attached to your pacer's balloon only Killerz did such a good job in September. A lucky escape for you :pac::pac::pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    02/11/2015 Rest - 1hr Pilates Class

    03/11/2015 8.8m @ 07:56 avg pace (General Aerobic)

    Run to Yoga. Skipped the strides which were in the plan but got a decent 90min Yoga Class in which wasn't in the plan.

    04/11/2015 7m @ 07:53 avg pace (General Aerobic)

    Had to kick myself out the door for this but got the planned miles in. Still trying to focus on form to avoid subconsciously compensating for the hip issue and causing knock-on problems elsewhere.

    05/11/2015 Rest

    06/11/2015 5m @ 09:12 (Recovery on Grass)

    07/11/2015 Rest - Unplanned

    First lie in, in I can't remember how long. Life got in the way for the rest of the day so no running. Plan had 10k tune-up race which I was never planning on doing but in previous cycles I would have substituted in a parkrun or a 10k time trial but did nada today. Off to do me exercises now so the day isn't a complete write-off on the running front.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Kennyg71


    MrsMC giving me boards tuition, tired reading about your sessions
    You deserve rest��


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    08/11/2015 10m @ 07:50 avg Pace (General Aerobic - Comfortable)

    Mrs Mc kicked me out the door in the late afternoon for this one. I duely did what I was told but in doing so I forgot to reconnect the sink waste pipe that I had disconnected to fit a new dishwasher. Remembered about 3.5m into my run and made a beeline for home in the hope of averting disaster. Got home before any damage was done, fixed the problem then headed back out for another 5 miles. Enjoyable run and the leg again felt better in the latter miles when it was nicely warmed up and I was running a little faster.

    09/11/2015 Rest - No running but will be heading to 1hr Pilates Class later this evening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,796 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    First pilates, now the yoga. You'll be borrowing TbL's joss sticks next. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    Murph_D wrote: »
    First pilates, now the yoga. You'll be borrowing TbL's joss sticks next. :pac:

    Needs must, D!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    He also asked to borrow my yoga mankini D :)

    TbL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,796 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    What an image that conjures up. No wonder he left that waste pipe disconnected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    He also asked to borrow my yoga mankini D :)

    TbL

    Unfortunately it was far too small!!
    Murph_D wrote: »
    What an image that conjures up. No wonder he left that waste pipe disconnected.

    Waste pipe all sorted and working fine, thanks D :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    Anyone like to recommend a good Strength and Conditioning Book for Runners. I think it is time that I conceded that it is a necessary evil part of my training and started to understand what is good and what is potentially bad.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    10/11/2015 8m @ 08:00 avg pace (General Aerobic w/8x150 Strides)

    Ran to yoga class this evening. Got the strides in along the canal before hitting the mat for a 90min Yoga Class. A few interesting new poses tried out this evening.

    Had a slightly different pain with the hip this evening. Usual glute pain was less evident but instead I got an occasional sensation/shooting pain that made me feel like the leg was going to give way. Settled down after a couple of miles and had no problems with the strides.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    FBOT01 wrote: »
    Anyone like to recommend a good Strength and Conditioning Book for Runners. I think it is time that I conceded that it is a necessary evil part of my training and started to understand what is good and what is potentially bad.

    Can't recommend a book but I went to a physio in town who also does strength training. They assess you first then give you a program based on your needs. I'd absolutely recommend it because it turned out I was doing most strength exercises incorrectly. Can PM you their contact details if it's something you're interested in?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    Firedance wrote: »
    Can't recommend a book but I went to a physio in town who also does strength training. They assess you first then give you a program based on your needs. I'd absolutely recommend it because it turned out I was doing most strength exercises incorrectly. Can PM you their contact details if it's something you're interested in?

    Thanks AM. Sure send it on and I will check them out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    FBOT01 wrote: »
    Anyone like to recommend a good Strength and Conditioning Book for Runners. I think it is time that I conceded that it is a necessary evil part of my training and started to understand what is good and what is potentially bad.

    It's called getting old M, #dealwithit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    tang1 wrote: »
    It's called getting old M, #dealwithit.

    do you want their contact details too then B? :pac: #yournospringchicken


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    tang1 wrote: »
    It's called getting old M, #dealwithit.

    #dealwithit that is so last week. I am #embracingit and the challenges it brings rather than just following the normal progression to grumpy auld git. How's aging treating you, B? Which route you planning on taking :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    FBOT01 wrote: »
    #dealwithit that is so last week. I am #embracingit and the challenges it brings rather than just following the normal progression to grumpy auld git. How's aging treating you, B? Which route you planning on taking :P

    Treating me grand, think i'll go the embracing route to. Seems to be working for you anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    11/11/2015 10.3m @ 08:01 avg pace (General Aerobic - Easyish)

    The plan had 11m endurance/progression in for the evening. The plan was to peel this back a little as the total planned mileage for this week is 47 which was a bit of jump from recent weeks. Said I would be happy doing 9 but a miscalculation meant it ended up being over 10. Never got any real progression going as legs felt heavy and the wind was coming from all directions. I did up the effort levels for the last 3 miles but as these were into a stiff breeze the pace didn't significantly increase.

    Felt a little light headed and nauseous at the start of this. Legs felt like they were running independently at one stage :) so stopped after 3 miles to do a system check. Happy that all was OK and that it was probably just something I ate at lunchtime I pushed on. Everything settled down from about mile 5 on. Although I had some hip reaction to the increased effort towards the end. Nothing that broke my stride.

    Finish off the evening with 45 mins deep water running as part of a "run in the dark" event that was been held in conjunction with the other Mark Pollock Trust events.

    12/11/2015 Rest

    On the road early for work and spent most of the day in the car. Both me and the dog were glad to get for a good 4/5 mile walk when I got home this evening. Off to do me exercises now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    Deep water running??? Did you take a wrong turn during the run in the dark or what?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    13/11/2015 10m @ 08:04 avg pace (VO2 Max 2 Sets of 2x1200/1x800 @ 5k Pace RI 180/120)

    Jaysus, it was windy out there this evening. Ferris joined me for this one and I was glad of the company as it is the type of session that you could easily talk yourself out of if you had nobody there to keep you honest.

    We headed out along the coast and did the first set with the wind and the second one back into it. Despite what the splits say the effort levels were significantly higher during the second set.

    Paces were : 06:14/06:06/06:13/06:32/06:34/06:24

    First 800 was impacted by a momentary stop while passing a dog and owner as I wasn't sure if they were joined by a lead. I think the guy thought I was asking him to put the dog on a lead when I asked "Is there a lead here somewhere?" I explained my question and he then got it. When I caught up with Ferris he was laughing away as he said he didn't know what words I used but what he heard based on the tone was "Is that dog on a f**king lead or wha?" which of course was a totally over read by Ferris :D:D


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