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The Jobbridge Scandal

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  • #5252
    mikehunts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭mikehunts


    fin12 wrote: »
    I saw post office clerk in that list, are an post hiring people on jobsbridge now, Ive been checking an post website for years and they are never hiring staff which I can never understand not even at christmas do I see them advertising for more staff, does anyone know what the story is with an post?


    Cronyism at its best....


  • #5253
    Xenji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,507 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    mikehunts wrote: »
    Cronyism at its best....

    Nepotism as well, we have 3 generations of the same family in ours.


  • #5254
    Benteke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Benteke


    The union representing vets says it has written to the Department of Social Protection to protest over the inclusion of vet positions

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/wanted-qualified-vet-for-50-a-week-for-jobbridge-post-34141340.html


  • #5255
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Surely they should just threaten them with exclusion from the union. Bring it up at the AGM, have a vote, job done.


  • #5256
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Xenji wrote: »
    Nepotism as well, we have 3 generations of the same family in ours.

    My local one is similar,no jobs advertised but saw a relation of one employee has started there recently.


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  • #5257
    Liamario
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭Liamario


    It's being abused and that's obvious to anyone who takes even the slightest bit of interest. There is no incentive for organisations to actually hire people when they can get them for free. I mean, why would they?
    Joan Burton and her ilk must be aware of this fact, but they're more concerned with massaging the numbers than making improvements that are tangible.


  • #5258
    trixychic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭trixychic


    CramCycle wrote: »
    My brother actually.

    I do not disagree. Most JBs are terrible. The companies involved should be banned or fined for abuse ( fine payable directly to the JBers, about 1 year annual salary).

    There are some that are great, some companies that use it properly. All it really needs is someone to tell companies with inappropriate placements to F off.



    In all fairness... it is still not you in the system having to go through the mill, do the paper work, search through dredges of stupity only to land a job where majority of the time it's sh*t... it's your brother.

    Like I said. It's easier to support the programme if your not in it.


  • #5259
    thegreatgonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭thegreatgonzo


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Surely they should just threaten them with exclusion from the union. Bring it up at the AGM, have a vote, job done.

    Veterinary Ireland isn't actually a union, it's a representative body. There is no union for vets or vet nurses in Ireland but it gets suggested at various meetings quite often.
    I'm glad they've commented on this but they've been silent on the issue of jobbridges for vet nurses and have even advertised them in their journal.


  • #5260
    huey1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭huey1975


    fin12 wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056987239&page=351

    Qualified vet position offered on Jobsbridge.

    That's Cork people for you. Mean as ****e!!


  • #5261
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    huey1975 wrote: »
    That's Cork people for you. Mean as ****e!!

    Well if you read the article you would have seen that there was a similar job adverertised on jobsbridge in Donegal so Its not just in Cork.


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  • #5262
    thegreatgonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭thegreatgonzo


    fin12 wrote: »
    Well if you read the article you would have seen that there was a similar job adverertised on jobsbridge in Donegal so Its not just in Cork.

    One thing that annoys me about the way actual veterinary jobs are advertised is that the contact details are usually just a mobile phone number or a generic sounding email address like vetjob@gmail or similar. You often haven't a clue what county the job might be in let alone the actual name of the place. That kind of anonymity makes it very handy for advertising something like a jobbridge.


  • #5263
    The Dogs Bollix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 360 ✭✭The Dogs Bollix


    I have a few more weeks left on my internship.

    I'll give you my experience. I am fully qualified for a few years but couldn't get work. There was too much coming out of college that was the same. It was an employer's market.

    I tried for work abroad but i had to save my dole for a few months to move away. I couldn't get up and go. This took a year. I got more feedback from abroad than i did here. They thought i wouldn't have the confidence.

    Came home. I applied for some jobs and jobbridges. I didn't hear back. What was the whole point of a jobbridge, to gain experience but not to get a reply back.

    I got a reply back eventually but i didn't get it. They didn't tell me why either. But they have more qualified people with more experience than me. I figured it was just a cheap form of labour with more desperate, young people.

    I eventually got a jobbridge. It was a helping hand in what im qualified in. So I'm meant to help the people i have same qualifications. Its nothing but restocking shelves and mopping floors.

    But i was in a building working beneath these people. I thought i could maybe get a chance to do extra things over time. Like, stuff in what I'm qualified in. Like, get real experience. Nope.

    I was only a few weeks in when, they added extra shyte, cleaning canteen, toilets, offices.

    Only a few weeks ago, i was with the boss with a customer and he told them i was in training as my own profession instead of a fooking cleaner.

    I have a few more weeks left and there isn't a hope or any sign of any job out of this. They get a free worker (slave) to train and its not happening. To say its depressing is an understatement.


  • #5264
    Liamario
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭Liamario


    The Dogs Bollix wrote: »
    I have a few more weeks left on my internship.

    I'll give you my experience. I am fully qualified for a few years but couldn't get work. There was too much coming out of college that was the same. It was an employer's market.

    I tried for work abroad but i had to save my dole for a few months to move away. I couldn't get up and go. This took a year. I got more feedback from abroad than i did here. They thought i wouldn't have the confidence.

    Came home. I applied for some jobs and jobbridges. I didn't hear back. What was the whole point of a jobbridge, to gain experience but not to get a reply back.

    I got a reply back eventually but i didn't get it. They didn't tell me why either. But they have more qualified people with more experience than me. I figured it was just a cheap form of labour with more desperate, young people.

    I eventually got a jobbridge. It was a helping hand in what im qualified in. So I'm meant to help the people i have same qualifications. Its nothing but restocking shelves and mopping floors.

    But i was in a building working beneath these people. I thought i could maybe get a chance to do extra things over time. Like, stuff in what I'm qualified in. Like, get real experience. Nope.

    I was only a few weeks in when, they added extra shyte, cleaning canteen, toilets, offices.

    Only a few weeks ago, i was with the boss with a customer and he told them i was in training as my own profession instead of a fooking cleaner.

    I have a few more weeks left and there isn't a hope or any sign of any job out of this. They get a free worker (slave) to train and its not happening. To say its depressing is an understatement.

    That's a shame. You've wasted 9 months working for free and you didn't get any experience. I respect you for hanging in there for as long as you did. I would have left after a month of that ****e. They took advantage of you and Joan Burton facilitated it.


  • #5265
    The Dogs Bollix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 360 ✭✭The Dogs Bollix


    Liamario wrote: »
    That's a shame. You've wasted 9 months working for free and you didn't get any experience. I respect you for hanging in there for as long as you did. I would have left after a month of that ****e. They took advantage of you and Joan Burton facilitated it.

    What killed me was seeing students get more experience.


  • #5266
    the evasion_kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭the evasion_kid


    The Dogs Bollix wrote: »
    What killed me was seeing students get more experience.

    Seek your vengeance at the ballot box ;)


  • #5267
    The Dogs Bollix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 360 ✭✭The Dogs Bollix


    I'm just tired. I don't know what to do anymore. I want to work but this is killing me. I am so depressed. I'm not worth anything.


  • #5268
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    The Dogs Bollix wrote: »
    I'm just tired. I don't know what to do anymore. I want to work but this is killing me. I am so depressed. I'm not worth anything.

    You're not worth nothing. You're just worth less than minimum wage. But minimum wage campaigners have kicked the ladder out from under your feet so you can't get the experience that would increase your market value.


  • #5269
    The Dogs Bollix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 360 ✭✭The Dogs Bollix


    I don't mind not getting work out of it, if i got experience out of it.

    Why would they train me when they have no use for me?

    Total abuse.


  • #5270
    stateofflux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭stateofflux


    The Dogs Bollix wrote: »
    I have a few more weeks left on my internship.

    I'll give you my experience. I am fully qualified for a few years but couldn't get work. There was too much coming out of college that was the same. It was an employer's market.

    I tried for work abroad but i had to save my dole for a few months to move away. I couldn't get up and go. This took a year. I got more feedback from abroad than i did here. They thought i wouldn't have the confidence.

    Came home. I applied for some jobs and jobbridges. I didn't hear back. What was the whole point of a jobbridge, to gain experience but not to get a reply back.

    I got a reply back eventually but i didn't get it. They didn't tell me why either. But they have more qualified people with more experience than me. I figured it was just a cheap form of labour with more desperate, young people.

    I eventually got a jobbridge. It was a helping hand in what im qualified in. So I'm meant to help the people i have same qualifications. Its nothing but restocking shelves and mopping floors.

    But i was in a building working beneath these people. I thought i could maybe get a chance to do extra things over time. Like, stuff in what I'm qualified in. Like, get real experience. Nope.

    I was only a few weeks in when, they added extra shyte, cleaning canteen, toilets, offices.

    Only a few weeks ago, i was with the boss with a customer and he told them i was in training as my own profession instead of a fooking cleaner.

    I have a few more weeks left and there isn't a hope or any sign of any job out of this. They get a free worker (slave) to train and its not happening. To say its depressing is an understatement.


    i definitely would not leave without causing a few headaches. unless you feel you need a reference.


  • #5271
    The Dogs Bollix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 360 ✭✭The Dogs Bollix


    stateofflux wrote: »
    i definitely would not leave without causing a few headaches. unless you feel you need a reference.

    To be honest, i didn't need to cause a few headaches. Anything that went wrong, i would get the blame anyway.


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  • #5272
    The Dogs Bollix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 360 ✭✭The Dogs Bollix


    I'm surprised they asked me to their Christmas party at all but who am i to turn down a free dinner, ha ha.


  • #5273
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,189 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    You're not worth nothing. You're just worth less than minimum wage. But minimum wage campaigners have kicked the ladder out from under your feet so you can't get the experience that would increase your market value.

    Laissez-faire fundamentalism at its finest.


  • #5274
    Xenji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,507 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Laissez-faire fundamentalism at its finest.

    The response was slower than I thought!


  • #5275
    IsMiseMyself
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,268 ✭✭✭IsMiseMyself


    @ The Dogs Bollix - what industry are you in/looking for work in?


  • #5276
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Laissez-faire fundamentalism at its finest.
    The minimum wage laws have left him sitting cold on the curb, given the choice I imagine he'd rather be working for his market value than job bridge.

    Nothing extreme about the concept of minimum wage laws causing unemployment. It's in any first year economics book you care to pick up.


  • #5277
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    You're not worth nothing. You're just worth less than minimum wage.

    Lovely.


  • #5278
    Hoffmans
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Hoffmans


    Its Slave LABOUR

    And no one has a hope in hell to
    save labour

    Reality bites!


  • #5279
    Canadel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Canadel


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    You're not worth nothing. You're just worth less than minimum wage. But minimum wage campaigners have kicked the ladder out from under your feet so you can't get the experience that would increase your market value.
    Job-bridge isn't a true reflection of the market; without job-bridge that poster most likely wouldn't be working for the company at all as the position would not exist in the real market place. The problem isn't the minimum wage, it's the companies who are exploiting job-bridge. And of course you can't really blame them when the government is practically encouraging them to do so.


  • #5280
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Canadel wrote: »
    Job-bridge isn't a true reflection of the market; without job-bridge that poster most likely wouldn't be working for the company at all as the position would not exist in the real market place. The problem isn't the minimum wage, it's the companies who are exploiting job-bridge. And of course you can't really blame them when the government is practically encouraging them to do so.
    Agreed, Jobbridge it's a way of trying to message the unemployment figures caused in part by minimum wage laws.

    Imagine your market value is less than the minimum wage, you might love to work for 6 or 7 euro an hour to get experience in an area you like but the bottom rung has been removed for you. We end up in a situation where employers won't hire people unless they have experience.

    Minimum wage laws hurt the young and uneducated most while funnily enough helping young college graduates who are likely to be offered a wage below their market value, the people who are most vocal about rising it.

    In a perfect world without minimum wage laws jb wouldn't be needed, but we don't live in a perfect world and if a person wants to get involved in an industry in which their market value is less than minimum wage they have little choice beyond jb as things stand.


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  • #5281
    mickstupp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭mickstupp


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Imagine your market value is less than the minimum wage, you might love to work for 6 or 7 euro an hour to get experience in an area you like but the bottom rung has been removed for you. We end up in a situation where employers won't hire people unless they have experience.
    1. It's supposed to be called minimum wage for a reason.
    2. Care to explain why employers are still choosing to us jobbridge instead of hiring people?
    3. Care to explain why so many jobbridge positions require the experience they're supposed to be training a person in?

    Jobbridge is being used to circumvent minimum wage. Employers see it as a way to get free labour, instead of doing what everyone did before Jobbridge, i.e. hire people, and pay them, for a trial period to gain experience and see if they fit in. People on Jobbridge are not employees, they're not hired, they're not being paid by the people for whom they are working.


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