Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

tayto lover · 10-11-2015 11:41AM

efb wrote: »

should be no issue for you backing up what you say then.

No one is saying, or has ever said, he's as good as Aguero.

Back up what? That a world class striker would score more of the chances?
Of course he would.

efb · 10-11-2015 11:42AM

Irish Aris wrote: »

well deserved.
During October we only had the mishap at Sheffield, 4 wins in the league and the win against Bayern (which I am not even sure if it counts towards the award).
A very good month indeed. More of this please.

Well its the BPL manager of the month, League Cup and UCL wouldn't count.

efb · 10-11-2015 11:43AM

tayto lover wrote: »

Back up what? That a world class striker would score more of the chances?
Of course he would.

what is Giroud's goal per chances ratio? What is the ratio of a "World Class Striker"???

Mickeroo · 10-11-2015 11:44AM

Tayto and EFB, lets not have one of your pointless tit for tats please, the international break will be long enough as it is.

Bobby Baccala · 10-11-2015 12:02PM

Jaafa wrote: »

Wow.

Fair play to Arsene. Takes balls to say something like that. PED's seem to be swept under the carpet by the media and other managers alike.

Colonialboy · 10-11-2015 12:05PM

ironkiwi wrote: »

Giroud is most definately in the top 5 strikers in the premier league, off day yesterday, I think you will find all players have an off day!!

Goals 2014/15 Goals 2015/16 Total Games 2014/15 Games 2015/16 Total Games per goal
Aguero 26 6 32 33 8 41 1.28
Costa 20 2 22 26 10 36 1.64
Kane 21 6 27 34 12 46 1.70
Giroud 14 6 20 27 12 39 1.95
Benteke 13 4 17 29 9 38 2.24
Vardy 5 12 17 34 12 46 2.71
Pelle 12 6 18 38 12 50 2.78
Berahino 14 3 17 38 10 48 2.82
Lukaku 10 7 17 36 12 48 2.82
Bony 11 2 13 30 10 40 3.08
Rooney 12 2 14 33 11 44 3.14

cough cough ....

that chart only covers the last 2 seasons. Take about cherry picking . you need to look at career.

Giroud is a considerable distance off Aguero .
Aguero has 84 goals in 124 apps
Giroud has 47 goals in 109 apps
even Benteke who is behind Giroud in your chart woudl be ahead of him if you looked at PL careeer
Benteke has 46 goals in 98 apps

so Aguero is streets ahead of Giroud , scoring loads of goals in a side that creates loads of chances.
Benteke has a better scoring rate in a side that probably didnt create as many chances or have as much possesion as Arsenal
Giroud well .. Giroud has an ok scoring rate in aside that creates loads of chances and has loads of possesion.. nothing remarkable, nothing world class about it.

Even Suarez had 69 goals in 110 apps..... thats world class.

efb · 10-11-2015 12:12PM

Surely career doesn't indicate current form?

I'm sure Rooney has a great career record and does RvP

Mickeroo · 10-11-2015 12:13PM

Colonialboy wrote: »

cough cough ....

that chart only covers the last 2 seasons. Take about cherry picking . you need to look at career.

Giroud is a considerable distance off Aguero .
Aguero has 84 goals in 124 apps
Giroud has 47 goals in 109 apps
even Benteke who is behind Giroud in your chart woudl be ahead of him if you looked at PL careeer
Benteke has 46 goals in 98 apps

so Aguero is streets ahead of Giroud , scoring loads of goals in a side that creates loads of chances.
Benteke has a better scoring rate in a side that probably didnt create as many chances or have as much possesion as Arsenal
Giroud well .. Giroud has an ok scoring rate in aside that creates loads of chances and has loads of possesion.. nothing remarkable, nothing world class about it.

Nobody thinks he's world class, just that he's in the top 5 strikers in the league at this moment in time, which is a pretty fair thing to say or at least argue. Nobody thinks he's anywhere near Aguero, no-one in the entire PL is anywhere near Aguero since Suarez left. Himself and Benteke are pretty much on a par at the moment.

In fairness, it's a pretty poor season so far in the PL for strikers, Vardy is the only one lighting the place up and Aguero is injured, outside of Vardy you have a fair few strikers in pretty good form but no-one running away with it.

10-11-2015 12:28PM

AdamD wrote: »

Giroud is useful against a compact defense.
Giroud is very incompetent against a team who press.

This will remain an issue as long as the rest of our players are made of teflon. Even playing Welbeck would prevent Spurs from playing that way and ease the pressure on the rest of the team.

Made of teflon, as in nothing sticks to them?

Colonialboy · 10-11-2015 12:35PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Nobody thinks he's world class, just that he's in the top 5 strikers in the league at this moment in time, which is a pretty fair thing to say. Nobody thinks he's anywhere near Aguero, no-one in the entire PL is anywhere near Aguero since Suarez left. Himself and Benteke are pretty much on a par at the moment.

In fairness, it's a pretty poor season so far in the PL for strikers, Vardy is the only one lighting the place up and Aguero is injured, outside of Vardy you have a fair few strikers in pretty good form but no-one running away with it.

actually hes not even that
If you look purely at 2015/16
He is in the Top 11 strikers in the league at this moment , trailing suc world class talent as Igahlo of Watford, Mahreezof Leicester and Winjadlm of NewC.

If you look at PL Careers hes probaly well outside the Top 10, if you look at 2015 hes only top 11, if you look at last 2 seasons and include players not in PL anymore then hes top 10, if you look at last 2 seasons and exclude players not in Pl anymore he is 5th.

btw alot of peopel are claiming hes some kind of world class striker.

Hes a good striker, does he miss a bucket load and easy chances ... yes he does , get over it.

Ken Shamrock · 10-11-2015 12:37PM

I'm really really done with the Giroud discussion but here's an article I saw earlier In the year.

http://talksport.com/football/revealed-15-most-lethal-strikers-premier-league-150817163101

Irish Aris · 10-11-2015 12:43PM

Colonialboy wrote: »

actually hes not even that
If you look purely at 2015/16
He is in the Top 11 strikers in the league at this moment , trailing suc world class talent as Igahlo of Watford, Mahreezof Leicester and Winjadlm of NewC.

If you look at PL Careers hes probaly well outside the Top 10, if you look at 2015 hes only top 11, if you look at last 2 seasons and include players not in PL anymore then hes top 10, if you look at last 2 seasons and exclude players not in Pl anymore he is 5th.

btw alot of peopel are claiming hes some kind of world class striker.

Hes a good striker, does he miss a bucket load and easy chances ... yes he does , get over it.

I think you're wrong on the bolded part, he is tied 5th with a few more people (including Aguero who obviously has less games).

Colonialboy · 10-11-2015 12:46PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

I'm really really done with the Giroud discussion but here's an article I saw earlier In the year.

http://talksport.com/football/revealed-15-most-lethal-strikers-premier-league-150817163101

good article , even Crystal Placae have TWO strikers ahead of Giroud.

So Giroud who plays for THE ARSENAL (famed for their possesion skill and attacking game) according to some stats is/was trailing such illustrious talent as Dwight Gayle, Glenn Murray of Palace, Igahalo of Watford, Mahreez of Leicester and Winjadlm of NewC.

you see statisics there a load of bollix if you take them at face value , put them in context and look at how they are connected to other things.

Colonialboy · 10-11-2015 12:48PM

Irish Aris wrote: »

I think you're wrong on the bolded part, he is tied 5th with a few more people (including Aguero who obviously has less games).

you say tied 5th I say joint 11th.. who gives a ****.. he still misses bucket loads of easy chances

Irish Aris · 10-11-2015 12:51PM

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

I'm really really done with the Giroud discussion but here's an article I saw earlier In the year.

http://talksport.com/football/revealed-15-most-lethal-strikers-premier-league-150817163101

I assume it refers to the 2014-15 period, Ken?

Seeing Loic Remy at 6th place (if I recall correctly he didn't play much last year, mostly as a substitute), makes me think that this is not the full picture.
I am surprised not to see Sanchez in this list. Do I recall correctly that he scored more goals than Giroud last season? I suppose he played more then.

efb · 10-11-2015 12:53PM

I hope OG doesn't get injured sitting on the bench for Fra

ronjo · 10-11-2015 12:56PM

efb wrote: »

I hope OG doesn't get injured sitting on the bench for Fra

How could he get injured sitting on the bench? have you stats to back up the chances of it happening? :pac:

Well hopefully he stays firmly on the bench for France but with Benzema not selected then surely he will play for them

Mickeroo · 10-11-2015 12:57PM

He's joint third on 6 goals? I know being balanced in your views is anathema to the average internet boards poster but how is joint third 11th? He's not even 11th if you go alphabetical for each player on 6....there aren't even 11 players on 6 or more goals....

emmetlego · 10-11-2015 12:58PM

the untitled user wrote: »

How many of those chances are purely down to Giroud's ability to act as a nexus for the team though? his hold up play and flicks onward create an awful lot of space for us, allowing the midfielders to quickly overlap on the flanks and overload our opponents. As frustrating as his finishing and work rate can be, without Giroud doing this we look very pedestrian when faced with a compact defence.

I think this is an excellent point. His use to the team is under-rated by a lot, and he is a very good player. His finishing can be poor though and he's not a WC striker in the mould of Aguero. I think we can all agree on this? I still think he's a hugely valuable member of the squad, and is crucial to us.

Ken Shamrock · 10-11-2015 01:00PM

Irish Aris wrote: »

I assume it refers to the 2014-15 period, Ken?

Seeing Loic Remy at 6th place (if I recall correctly he didn't play much last year, mostly as a substitute), makes me think that this is not the full picture.
I am surprised not to see Sanchez in this list. Do I recall correctly that he scored more goals than Giroud last season? I suppose he played more then.

It refers to current PL STRIKERS(No Sanchez) and their goals to minute ratio It says It In the article...

Colonialboy · 10-11-2015 01:14PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

He's joint third on 6 goals? I know being balanced in your views is anathema to the average internet boards poster but how is joint third 11th? He's not even 11th if you go alphabetical for each player on 6....there aren't even 11 players on 6 or more goals....

emmetlego wrote: »

I think this is an excellent point. His use to the team is under-rated by a lot, and he is a very good player. His finishing can be poor though and he's not a WC striker in the mould of Aguero. I think we can all agree on this? I still think he's a hugely valuable member of the squad, and is crucial to us.

yep .. him and 6 other players are joint third... go celebrate mediocracy.

And in fact most if not ALL of the other strikers on the 2015 list have MORE assists than him this season. So they are not only scoring more or equal goals, but are also laying on more assists.

And if you go back to last season Giroud had a terrible assists stat of only 3!

Giroud is a slightly better bendtner, probably playing in a slightly better current squad team than bendter played in

Of course he adds something, he'd want to he his a French international ffs..
but we could do with someone more clinical, better even..

Mickeroo · 10-11-2015 01:18PM

Irish Aris wrote: »

I assume it refers to the 2014-15 period, Ken?

Seeing Loic Remy at 6th place (if I recall correctly he didn't play much last year, mostly as a substitute), makes me think that this is not the full picture.
I am surprised not to see Sanchez in this list. Do I recall correctly that he scored more goals than Giroud last season? I suppose he played more then.

It says up to August 17 2015. It must be for a few seasons because it says it only includes players who've played 20 games or more and it has Sturridge there who only made 12 appearances last season. Seems all over the place tbh, Dwight Gayle has 12 PL goals in his entire career and is in 8th on the list so maybe it's 13/14 & 14/15 (he only had 54 appearances). Zarate is in 11th and has only scored 4 PL goals in his entire career.

Ken Shamrock · 10-11-2015 01:20PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

It says up to August 17 2015. It must be for a few seasons because it says it only includes players who've played 20 games or more and it has Sturridge there who only made 12 appearances last season. Seems all over the place tbh, Dwight Gayle has 12 PL goals in his entire career and is in 8th on the list so maybe it's 13/14 & 14/15 (he only had 54 appearances). Zarate is in 11th and has only scored 4 PL goals in his entire career.

Goals per minute played? It's not that hard.

Irish Aris · 10-11-2015 01:33PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

It says up to August 17 2015. It must be for a few seasons because it says it only includes players who've played 20 games or more and it has Sturridge there who only made 12 appearances last season. Seems all over the place tbh, Dwight Gayle has 12 PL goals in his entire career and is in 8th on the list so maybe it's 13/14 & 14/15 (he only had 54 appearances). Zarate is in 11th and has only scored 4 PL goals in his entire career.

yeah Zarate made the list because he has only played 8 games so his goals per minute ratio is good.

Another random list by the looks of things. The only thing you can extract from that is that Aguero is the best.

DarraghF197 · 10-11-2015 01:34PM

Colonialboy wrote: »

cough cough ....

that chart only covers the last 2 seasons. Take about cherry picking . you need to look at career.

Giroud is a considerable distance off Aguero .
Aguero has 84 goals in 124 apps
Giroud has 47 goals in 109 apps
even Benteke who is behind Giroud in your chart woudl be ahead of him if you looked at PL careeer
Benteke has 46 goals in 98 apps

so Aguero is streets ahead of Giroud , scoring loads of goals in a side that creates loads of chances.
Benteke has a better scoring rate in a side that probably didnt create as many chances or have as much possesion as Arsenal
Giroud well .. Giroud has an ok scoring rate in aside that creates loads of chances and has loads of possesion.. nothing remarkable, nothing world class about it.

Even Suarez had 69 goals in 110 apps..... thats world class.

Why would you consider stats from before two seasons ago? Hardly they would be more accurate in determining a striker's present quality. Giroud was adapting to the Premier League at that time, he's only getting used to it properly since he came back from injury.

And I don't see the point in comparing him to Suarez, Aguero or Lewandowski. I think everyone here agrees that they are a level above everyone else. We're never going to get any of those three so I don't see why you would be giving out about the situation.

World Class is an ambiguous term, I don't think it's fair to label players in such a subjective manner.

Mickeroo · 10-11-2015 01:38PM

Irish Aris wrote: »

yeah Zarate made the list because he has only played 8 games so his goals per minute ratio is good.

Another random list by the looks of things. The only thing you can extract from that is that Aguero is the best.

I'm thinking Zarate was a mistake on their part anyway, doesn't fit the 20 appearances criteria they had set out.

10-11-2015 01:55PM

Transfer Deadline Day all over again

Irish Aris · 10-11-2015 01:58PM

Basil3 wrote: »

Transfer Deadline Day all over again

just an international break!!

RobertKK · 10-11-2015 01:58PM

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/474858/Man-Utd-opens-talks-Arsenal-hero-transferl-rock-Premier-League

United open talks with Sanchez says the article. Van Gaal has in been in contact according to the report.

10-11-2015 02:01PM

The Daily Star, good post mate.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

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