Web Summit quits Dublin

The Corinthian · 07-11-2015 11:46AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

This is a salient point. Cosgrave might have pressured sales tactics and clearly some start ups are annoyed at him. Rather they should be annoyed at themselves for being naive enough to fall for it.

It's the nature of business in Ireland, certainly in IT.

Over the years I've worked in companies who would happily pitch for projects that they simply did not have the resources or skills to do. I've worked in the PSMS sphere and have seen sales practices that make WS look like a bunch of choirboys. One company I worked for would also regularly inflate the number of employees - when there were 30 of us, they'd say we had 60, when 60, we were 150 (which was all the more amusing when someone came knocking on our door to ask why we didn't have software licenses for all these employees). Stretching payment terms is the norm, and trying to screw over freelancers on the last payment all too commonplace. And then there's the brown paper envelopes in the B2G market...

I'm not exonerating WS on their high pressure sales tactics, but any Irish company that didn't see it coming clearly didn't do their homework, which is also all too common - Irish start ups are all too often just as fly-by-night as the more established companies out there.

bucketybuck · 07-11-2015 01:35PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Before you make demands of posters I think you should learn how to search a thread. The citation you've begged for was linked, hence the reason your demands have fallen on deaf ears.

More spoofing and deflection, have you a cite or not?

Sofiztikated · 07-11-2015 01:43PM

So did he turn up on the Late Late?

BMMachine · 07-11-2015 01:50PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

The poorest people are screwed?

Can you define the poorest?

If you mean people on social welfare or low paid workers they actually got hit the least during the recession.

700,000 workers on low pay pay little to no tax while middle income earners pay nearly 50%.

Anyway I await your reply to how the poorest get screwed the most.

oh right, you are one of those people that has trouble recognising what a human is. I bet you are great

http://www.dubsimon.ie/Homelessness/HomelessStatistics/DublinStatistics.aspx

but theres no issue really is there. Just dont think about it and it will eventually go away

Crimsonforce · 07-11-2015 02:38PM

I was listening to the second captains podcast yesterday and they were talking about the web summit.

Ken early was "hired" to interview a high ranking guest on their web strategy. He was interviewing Ian Eyre, the MD of Liverpool football club.

So ken was tasked with doing all the things you need to do for an interview, questions, facts, figures and running the interview in front of 1000s who paid in...

He was paid ZERO to do this. so web summit was trying to hire professional people who are skilled in their discipline and pay them nothing, not even a lunch..
He did it because he could use the interview for second captains podcast but he spoke about how emmet Malone, the off the ball guy, had declined their "great news,your hired for nothing offer"

I'm happy to see this Muppet leave the country.

Annasopra · 07-11-2015 03:26PM

WarZ wrote: »

To save the governments face coming up to an election.

That is just laughable really. The government doesn't have an online fanbase and the crticisms of websummit/cosgrave are not coming entirely from government or government fans. It's also hilarious because you absolve WS/Cosgrave of all blame for everything that went wrong.

BMMachine · 07-11-2015 03:31PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

The government doesn't have an online fanbase

what? like, the Kardashians or something? very confusing statement

JustTheOne · 07-11-2015 03:53PM

BMMachine wrote: »

oh right, you are one of those people that has trouble recognising what a human is. I bet you are great

http://www.dubsimon.ie/Homelessness/HomelessStatistics/DublinStatistics.aspx

but theres no issue really is there. Just dont think about it and it will eventually go away

The homeless crisis is a range of different issues as your man said last night every country in the word has this problem, the UK has a worst one than us.

It happens after a recession and always had.

Yes its a problem but to say the government screwed the poorest in society and then point to homeless figures is way off.

There is houses for everyone in the country but people aren't willing to move away from their area.

2,000 social houses were turned down last year.

How many is in emergency accommodation?

800 families?

There is enough houses to house these families twice over but were turned down.

darkpagandeath · 07-11-2015 06:43PM

So it's a no to the figure of 60m ? I mean if it's worth that much the link should be easy to find.

VinLieger · 07-11-2015 07:35PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

So it's a no to the figure of 60m ? I mean if it's worth that much the link should be easy to find.

The government are hiding the link

copacetic · 07-11-2015 07:37PM

Crimsonforce wrote: »

I was listening to the second captains podcast yesterday and they were talking about the web summit.

Ken early was "hired" to interview a high ranking guest on their web strategy. He was interviewing Ian Eyre, the MD of Liverpool football club.

So ken was tasked with doing all the things you need to do for an interview, questions, facts, figures and running the interview in front of 1000s who paid in...

He was paid ZERO to do this. so web summit was trying to hire professional people who are skilled in their discipline and pay them nothing, not even a lunch..
He did it because he could use the interview for second captains podcast but he spoke about how emmet Malone, the off the ball guy, had declined their "great news,your hired for nothing offer"

I'm happy to see this Muppet leave the country.

It was mentioned earlier that they pay all the 'comperes' nothing. Which is pretty cheeky ****e.

However it's not a bad deal if only doing one job and if you have an interest in the summit as it gets you in for free combined with the use of the interview itself if it's of use to you.

I was at that 'interview' and basically it was an 18 minute chat, in front of about 500 people so not too tricky for Ken and saw him cycling back to town a little later. Ken mostly asked him about stuff he would know of the top of his head also re transfer committees etc.

Crimsonforce · 07-11-2015 08:24PM

copacetic wrote: »

It was mentioned earlier that they pay all the 'comperes' nothing. Which is pretty cheeky ****e.

However it's not a bad deal if only doing one job and if you have an interest in the summit as it gets you in for free combined with the use of the interview itself if it's of use to you.

I was at that 'interview' and basically it was an 18 minute chat, in front of about 500 people so not too tricky for Ken and saw him cycling back to town a little later. Ken mostly asked him about stuff he would know of the top of his head also re transfer committees etc.

he is a professional who studied his profession for many years and therefore should be paid.
He knows stuff because he has studied it over a number of years.... you didn't see him him hanging around cause he got in free...
On his podcast he was saying he still didn't understand what exactly the web summit is,
But as a person who attended do you feel you got your moneys worth? Was it worth sitting in on these chats.? I'm curious....

dloob · 07-11-2015 08:56PM

my friend wrote: »

Won't someone think of the Adrian Weckler?

I imagine he is at home on his couch now with a box of Kleenex, a tub of ice cream and a bottle of Chardonnay watching old recordings of paddy.
In the background "all by myself" plays.

copacetic · 07-11-2015 08:57PM

Crimsonforce wrote: »

he is a professional who studied his profession for many years and therefore should be paid.
He knows stuff because he has studied it over a number of years.... you didn't see him him hanging around cause he got in free...
On his podcast he was saying he still didn't understand what exactly the web summit is,
But as a person who attended do you feel you got your moneys worth? Was it worth sitting in on these chats.? I'm curious....

God of course he should get paid, I'm just saying that if it was just one session of 20 mins it might make sense for some journos to do it for free for the fringe benefits. Eg their were plenty of other speakers and sessions of interest to sports journos. Although I'm sure he could have got media accredited for free also if desired.

There were a lot of Irish journalists and media people across a lot of the sessions, don't think that will work so well in Lisbon for a start. Local free talent won't work as well with the guests.

Personally I wouldn't have paid their fees to go, prob worth €100 a day to hear some of speakers but otherwise it's not of major value to me.

Montjuic · 07-11-2015 11:14PM

Paddy Cosgrave is obviously an obnoxious full of himself D4 type pox which first off puts most Irish people's backs up. I take issue with him being referred to as a Tech entrepreneur as I was under the impression until recently that he was a software engineer of some kind. He's a normal enough arts grad from Trinity pretty run of the mill really with no tech background at all. Essentially he's an event coordinator who obviously just ripped off lock stock and barrel Steve Jobs persona and mannerisms just compare you tube videos it's uncanny. No great innovation there copying someone else's playbook.

However Idespite all that it's a pity it's going anything that puts Ireland in positive spotlight is welcome and he brought a lots of influential people in really this event was gold dust and the D4 till should have been indulged.

Crimsonforce · 08-11-2015 12:19AM

copacetic wrote: »

God of course he should get paid, I'm just saying that if it was just one session of 20 mins it might make sense for some journos to do it for free for the fringe benefits. Eg their were plenty of other speakers and sessions of interest to sports journos. Although I'm sure he could have got media accredited for free also if desired.

There were a lot of Irish journalists and media people across a lot of the sessions, don't think that will work so well in Lisbon for a start. Local free talent won't work as well with the guests.

Personally I wouldn't have paid their fees to go, prob worth €100 a day to hear some of speakers but otherwise it's not of major value to me.

20 mins for one session, 2 days to prepare.
I thought you attended? Did you get a free ticket?

Canadel · 08-11-2015 01:21AM

Crimsonforce wrote: »

he is a professional who studied his profession for many years and therefore should be paid.

Surprised the right wing, libertarian boards brigade isn't all over this gem. He should only be paid if market forces dictate that he be paid.

Crimsonforce · 08-11-2015 01:30AM

Canadel wrote: »

Surprised the right wing, libertarian boards brigade isn't all over this gem. He should only be paid if market forces dictate that he be paid.

Do you feel he shouldn't have been paid?

Canadel · 08-11-2015 01:42AM

Crimsonforce wrote: »

Do you feel he shouldn't have been paid?

I don't care. If the market dictated that he should have been paid, he would have been paid.

CatFromHue · 08-11-2015 01:44AM

Montjuic wrote: »

Paddy Cosgrave is obviously an obnoxious full of himself D4 type pox which first off puts most Irish people's backs up. I take issue with him being referred to as a Tech entrepreneur as I was under the impression until recently that he was a software engineer of some kind. He's a normal enough arts grad from Trinity pretty run of the mill really with no tech background at all. Essentially he's an event coordinator who obviously just ripped off lock stock and barrel Steve Jobs persona and mannerisms just compare you tube videos it's uncanny. No great innovation there copying someone else's playbook.

However Idespite all that it's a pity it's going anything that puts Ireland in positive spotlight is welcome and he brought a lots of influential people in really this event was gold dust and the D4 till should have been indulged.

Paddy is from Wicklow and went to Glenstal Abbey so nothing to do with D4.

Canadel · 08-11-2015 01:47AM

CatFromHue wrote: »

Paddy is from Wicklow and went to Glenstal Abbey so nothing to do with D4.

D4 doesn't necessarily have a lot to do with having being born or raised there.

Turpentine · 08-11-2015 02:16AM

Crimsonforce wrote: »

I was listening to the second captains podcast yesterday and they were talking about the web summit.

Ken early was "hired" to interview a high ranking guest on their web strategy. He was interviewing Ian Eyre, the MD of Liverpool football club.

So ken was tasked with doing all the things you need to do for an interview, questions, facts, figures and running the interview in front of 1000s who paid in...

He was paid ZERO to do this. so web summit was trying to hire professional people who are skilled in their discipline and pay them nothing, not even a lunch..
He did it because he could use the interview for second captains podcast but he spoke about how emmet Malone, the off the ball guy, had declined their "great news,your hired for nothing offer"

I'm happy to see this Muppet leave the country.

Canadel wrote: »

Surprised the right wing, libertarian boards brigade isn't all over this gem. He should only be paid if market forces dictate that he be paid.

Crimsonforce wrote: »

Do you feel he shouldn't have been paid?

If there are people willing to do a job for free, whether it be with the promise of "exposure" or "contacts" or whatever else they can get out of it, it becomes essentially a non-paying role unfortunately.

Personally I think he should have been paid. On the other hand, he should have just not done it if he wasn't being paid.

As a wise man once said, "If you're good at something, never do it for free".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYMnAUGFuG0

CatFromHue · 08-11-2015 02:33AM

Canadel wrote: »

D4 doesn't necessarily have a lot to do with having being born or raised there.

Ha, it's a state of mind, a state of mind!

It's an Irish psychologist dream for a local mental phenomenon

copacetic · 08-11-2015 10:48AM

Crimsonforce wrote: »

20 mins for one session, 2 days to prepare.
I thought you attended? Did you get a free ticket?

There is no way that it would take Ken more than a couple of hours to prepare for that 20 min session, not with his knowledge.

I got access via a company, The vast majority of Irish people I met there didn't pay, whether working for some slightly related company, corporate tickets etc, partner tickets etc etc.

darkpagandeath · 08-11-2015 10:49AM

So was there a press release in relation to the LLS no show ?

Valetta · 08-11-2015 10:52AM

Brilliant article by Brendan O'Connor in today's Independant.

http://m.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/brendan-oconnor/ireland-reaches-peak-summit-34179550.html

It sums up the whole fiasco and shows what a dick Cosgrave really is.

Edit: Article quoted in full below by copacetic.

copacetic · 08-11-2015 10:52AM

Paddy has a lot to answer for, first he make this government look reasonable and level headed, then he manages to make Brendan O'Connor of FF come out with a relativity sensible article. That's impressive levels of BS to make the other two seem OK by comparison.

Sharon Ni Bheolain's sole purpose in life. Was she inserted into RTE all those years ago as a sleeper, just waiting for this moment? Was she some class of a Manchurian candidate who would be triggered by the sight of Daire Hickey at the Web Summit? Daire clearly got more than he bargained for as Sharon asked him basically why we were all expected to pay for bus tickets for the millionaires who have presumably made Daire and Paddy Cosgrave millionaires.

Daire and Paddy are clearly hurt at their treatment at the hands of the media this past week. Paddy seems to have been so hurt that he started pulling out of interviews.
Clearly recognising that it had been a smart move to pull out of the Sharon Ni Bheolain interview, Paddy subsequently pulled out of The Late Late Show too. And that was despite Tubs playing Kofi Anan by heading down to the Web Summit and appealing for peace and love and an end to wing-clipping.

Clearly, Paddy wondered why he, whose only crime is to try to make the world a better place, should be subjected to questioning by ingrates on old media.
And it had all started so well. Paddy did a mini-wikileaks, where he released emails showing that the Government was rubbish. But suddenly it all backfired badly and Paddy's PR strategy began to unravel.
People started awkwardly pointing out that the Web Summit was a business, that it made plenty of money, even on burgers, and people wondered why we were all supposed to bend over backwards for these tech millionaires, who have made a fortune from selling our own lives back to us.
Paddy was justifiably shocked that people decided to take the Government's side in this, given that we don't take the Government's side in anything in this country. So then he tried to make it clearer that we were making a choice between him and an unpopular Government, by claiming that the Government had manufactured the spat with the Web Summit in order to distract from homelessness and Irish Water and stuff.

Which people found confusing, because as far as we could see, it was Paddy who manufactured the spat.

Paddy went on to claim that the Government had given him hush money. To which people responded that maybe then he should give it back. If it was indeed hush money, he sure didn't keep up his end of the deal.

Ultimately, the Web Summit guys provided a masterclass in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. We were prepared to feel a bit bad about losing the Web Summit.
But by the end of the week, we were feeling sorry for the poor bastards in Portugal who have to deal with this petulance for the next few years. And watching with pleasure as Lisbon hotel prices rose.
And remembering that the last people who promised to make the world a better place were totalitarian regimes.

darkpagandeath · 08-11-2015 10:58AM

http://www.independent.ie/business/article30688369.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/2014-10-24_bus_4145863_I1.JPG

:pac:

Poochie05 · 08-11-2015 11:11AM

Brendan had it easy this week, all he had to do was summarise this thread!

Tivoli1300 · 08-11-2015 11:28AM

Poochie05 wrote: »

Brendan had it easy this week, all he had to do was summarise this thread!

Great summary all the sameðŸ˜„

Web Summit quits Dublin

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