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Do you think Alen Kelly will pay at the next election for what he has done to rents?

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  • 07-11-2015 9:43am
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    Jaketherake
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    I think he is directly responsible for the sharp increase in rents.

    His only hope now is that some other crisis even bigger than the one he has caused for the renter appears before the election.

    Hes very lucky hes not running in Dublin, but his folly will carry through to his party colleagues votes everywhere.


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    hytrogen
    Registered Users Posts: 952 ✭✭✭hytrogen


    Between that & the 'Eircode' fiasco I'd be surprised if he doesn't stand as party leader next time! What a clown


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    rossmores
    Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭rossmores


    As a landlord in dublin I hope Labour gets annihilated in the next election it disgusting the way failure in government policy leading to the housing crisis has been unfairly blamed on landlords i have not displaced 1 tenant or increased rents to level being quoted in the media
    As for Alan Kelly he is a bumbling twit not fit for office voted in by parish politics


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    rockatansky
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    Hopefully both him and his party end up joining the PDs and the Greens in the political graveyard.


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    banie01
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    Unfortunately I can't see this having much impact on his being re-elected.
    He's TD for a mainly rural constituency who tend to vote for what they know. While there will be a reaction to Irish Water, housing and the rest of the ongoing social and political problems, unless he is faced in his constituency by either a unified "leftist" candidate to prevent opposition vote being fragmented he will likely be reelected. The choice will come down to fragmented opposition from left and independents and sinn fein or to vote fianna faíl, fg and completely ignore the party politics that have brought the country to its current state. In that situation I think as incumbent he will be reelected as part of a much diminished labour party


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    gaius c
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    I will be voting against labour for the way in which they've participated in making life harder for lower-waged working households but it's silly to blame the rental crisis entirely on Alan Kelly. Our minister for property price rises deserves a lot of "credit" too.


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    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Jaketherake wrote: »
    I think he is directly responsible for the sharp increase in rents.

    His only hope now is that some other crisis even bigger than the one he has caused for the renter appears before the election.

    Hes very lucky hes not running in Dublin, but his folly will carry through to his party colleagues votes everywhere.

    The rent increases happened long before he did anything. Not that rent increases affect votes in Dublin. Most renters support some kind of control but most voters aren't renters.


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    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    gaius c wrote: »
    I will be voting against labour for the way in which they've participated in making life harder for lower-waged working households but it's silly to blame the rental crisis entirely on Alan Kelly. Our minister for property price rises deserves a lot of "credit" too.

    Of course. The state owns land banks. It owns property. It's keeping the mortgage owners and landlords happy. Alan Kelly suggests a minor form of control and the subsidised landlords start crying "free market". No such cries when mortgage holders were in arrears and not being re- possessed.


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    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    rossmores wrote: »
    As a landlord in dublin I hope Labour gets annihilated in the next election it disgusting the way failure in government policy leading to the housing crisis has been unfairly blamed on landlords i have not displaced 1 tenant or increased rents to level being quoted in the media
    As for Alan Kelly he is a bumbling twit not fit for office voted in by parish politics

    As a renter I would vote for any party that crushed landlords.

    However most voters in Dublin are property owners or live at home. Renters are from the country where they vote, or immigrants who don't vote that often.

    To correct the landlord run oligarchy that controls Ireland would probably take some multinational threatening to pull out.


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    Diarmuid
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    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    As a renter I would vote for any party that crushed landlords.
    As a renter you have a very strong self-interest in ensuring landlords are not "crushed".


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    PolaroidPizza
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    I didn't follow this story too closely, but it was my impression AK wanted the rent increases linked to inflation, it was Michael Noonans department that fought it. If you're not happy with the proposed legislation, would it not be Noonan who should pay at the election?


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    alias no.9
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    Rent control will not deliver a single extra rental property and will make it harder for anyone looking for a new place to rent. Tax zoned development land on an escalating scale and tax empty properties.


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    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Diarmuid wrote: »
    As a renter you have a very strong self-interest in ensuring landlords are not "crushed".

    No I don't. If they sell up I buy in. In any real free market all Irish housing would be cheap. I would also crush landlordism with social housing, and a huge policy of house building.


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    robp
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    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    No I don't. If they sell up I buy in. In any real free market all Irish housing would be cheap. I would also crush landlordism with social housing, and a huge policy of house building.

    Desirable locations would never be cheap because there is a genuine scarcity but to some extent its true that if banks were allowed to re-possess more banking would be cheaper and thus mortgages would be cheaper.


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    garhjw
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    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    No I don't. If they sell up I buy in. In any real free market all Irish housing would be cheap. I would also crush landlordism with social housing, and a huge policy of house building.

    You haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Where do you dream up such nonsense?

    The is a supply shortage in Dublin and other areas in Ireland. That is what increases rents. Along with bumbling government policy.


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    newacc2015
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    IMO this will completely alienate anyone who is self-employed from voting Labour(they have always been anti-business to me). If I was a business owner, I would be afraid of what Labour would do to my industry

    I dont think labour will stand a chance. They arent extreme enough for their former target voters. They want SF or AAA who will throw money at welfare and "tax the rich". Yet they are too extreme for the rich ie someone earning over €35k a year in the eyes of Labour.

    Labour is a party with a lack of vision. The only thing making them unique is their stance on Abortion. But that could alienate more voters than it will gain.


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    handlemaster
    Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    As a renter I would vote for any party that crushed landlords.

    However most voters in Dublin are property owners or live at home. Renters are from the country where they vote, or immigrants who don't vote that often.

    To correct the landlord run oligarchy that controls Ireland would probably take some multinational threatening to pull out.

    Where to start with a statement like that ! It doesnt make any sence


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    handlemaster
    Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    No I don't. If they sell up I buy in. In any real free market all Irish housing would be cheap. I would also crush landlordism with social housing, and a huge policy of house building.

    Why would irish housing be cheap ? What is cheap in your estimation ? I presume if you were in government you would implement this policy of putting landlords out of business . You would build social housing .... care to enlighten us as to where and how much this would cost. Even with the left looneys SF I havent heard this one.


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    ted1
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    PolaroidPizza wrote: »
    I didn't follow this story too closely, but it was my impression AK wanted the rent increases linked to inflation, it was Michael Noonans department that fought it. If you're not happy with the proposed legislation, would it not be Noonan who should pay at the election?

    How can they try to keep a free market tied in inflation , when no government service can? Look at the increase in getting copies of birth Certs etc.

    Also they have added LPT, USC, PRTB, BER and many more costs on to landlords over the past few years. They have also made it impossible to get rid of a non paying tenant and its virtually impossible to recoup costs from damage they do.

    As for RAS tenants they should go gurantor for these, if there willing to pay there rent they should be willing to cover any damage they do and any breach of contract and non payment of rent.


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    4ensic15
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    ted1 wrote: »
    They have also made it impossible to get rid of a non paying tenant

    It is not impossible to get rid of a non paying tenant.


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    ted1
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    4ensic15 wrote: »
    It is not impossible to get rid of a non paying tenant.

    It's possible but it's a long drawn out expensive event.


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    grass_grower
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    4ensic15 wrote: »
    It is not impossible to get rid of a non paying tenant.

    their is no consequence to being a delinquent tenant in this country , the common perception that tenants in ireland have no rights is so off the mark , its a bad joke


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    Banjoxed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Banjoxed


    I am a landlord, but in addition to the mock outrage of Sinn Féin and their ilk, I now have another reason to give Labour my number 1.

    Thanks guys!


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    PolaroidPizza
    Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭PolaroidPizza


    ted1 wrote: »
    How can they try to keep a free market tied in inflation , when no government service can? Look at the increase in getting copies of birth Certs etc.

    so because the price of college fees goes up 500 % the government has no right to try and control something completely unrelated?

    the government makes attempts to control the prices as diverse as alcohol, air fares, sports coverage and private consultant salaries...but yet they shouldn't try and control rent?

    ye might as well say because they cannot control a health budget they shouldn't try and keep Iarnroid Eireann in budget.


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    ted1
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    PolaroidPizza wrote: »
    so because the price of college fees goes up 500 % the government has no right to try and control something completely unrelated?

    the government makes attempts to control the prices as diverse as alcohol, air fares, sports coverage and private consultant salaries...but yet they shouldn't try and control rent?

    ye might as well say because they cannot control a health budget they shouldn't try and keep Iarnroid Eireann in budget.
    If they can't control the prices they have total responsible for , how can they expect other people too. As I stated they have lumped on loads of additional charges into landlords , that's the reason why they have gone up loads


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    4ensic15
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    ted1 wrote: »
    It's possible but it's a long drawn out expensive event.

    Need not be particularly long drawn out or expensive if done properly.


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    fly_agaric
    Registered Users Posts: 4,808 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    rossmores wrote: »
    As a landlord in dublin I hope Labour gets annihilated in the next election it disgusting the way failure in government policy leading to the housing crisis has been unfairly blamed on landlords i have not displaced 1 tenant or increased rents to level being quoted in the media
    As for Alan Kelly he is a bumbling twit not fit for office voted in by parish politics

    Well landlords are one of Ireland's little protected circles, Fine Fail and Fianna Gael both seem to love them so that's probably where some of the (misplaced) anger comes from.
    I wonder how many tee-dees are landlords and/or property owners (in the sense of having more land/property assets than just the property you live in)?
    To be honest i was amazed the prtb got setup in this country. Did the EU have anything to do with it? I believe its usually the origin of anything that strikes me as a bit "unIrish".


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    garhjw
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    fly_agaric wrote: »
    Well landlords are one of Ireland's little protected circles, Fine Fail and Fianna Gael both seem to love them so that's probably where some of the (misplaced) anger comes from.
    I wonder how many tee-dees are landlords and/or property owners (in the sense of having more land/property assets than just the property you live in)?
    To be honest i was amazed the prtb got setup in this country. Did the EU have anything to do with it? I believe its usually the origin of anything that strikes me as a bit "unIrish".

    Where do you get these notions? The problem is not landlords, it is a lack of supply. Like anything where there is a supply shortage the price goes up. It's a landlords fault that successive governments haven't provided sufficient social housing? Cop yourself on


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    robp
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    fly_agaric wrote: »
    Well landlords are one of Ireland's little protected circles, Fine Fail and Fianna Gael both seem to love them so that's probably where some of the (misplaced) anger comes from.
    I wonder how many tee-dees are landlords and/or property owners (in the sense of having more land/property assets than just the property you live in)?
    To be honest i was amazed the prtb got setup in this country. Did the EU have anything to do with it? I believe its usually the origin of anything that strikes me as a bit "unIrish".

    That is a ridiculous comment given how heavily taxed rental income is.


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    ted1
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    4ensic15 wrote: »
    Need not be particularly long drawn out or expensive if done properly.

    Any dispute has to go through the PRTB, that takes time even if just 5 months that could be over 10k on rent for a 4 bed in Dublin


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    handlemaster
    Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    4ensic15 wrote: »
    Need not be particularly long drawn out or expensive if done properly.

    Can you elaborate on this please. Because to my knowledge and lighter wallet the landlord pays throw the nose for a nonpaying tenant. Even with a case win with the prtb which could take a year or more its not enforceable in itself. In the mean time no rent is been paid and in all likelyhood damage done to the property. Also damage done by a tenant or his /her guests is not covered by insurance.


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