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Web Summit quits Dublin

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  • #1472
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,771 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    The Corinthian wrote: »

    Of his sales and business practices, well, caveat emptor. They don't really fill me with respect for WS, but neither does anyone who falls for pretty obvious high pressure sales tactics like those.

    This is a salient point. Cosgrave might have pressured sales tactics and clearly some start ups are annoyed at him. Rather they should be annoyed at themselves for being naive enough to fall for it.


  • #1473
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Ireland was not seen as a tech hub because of the web summit and Lisbon will not be seen as a tech hub because of the web summit.

    Have you been totally brainwashed by PC?

    Not because of the web summit but hosting it is favourable to that image. Lisbon is becoming a major hub at the moment and the WS will undeniably add to this


  • #1474
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,014 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    ted1 wrote: »
    In reality they burnt there bridges here, but I suspect the main reason is that it simply needed a change. If your going on a jolly do you really want to go to the same place over and over

    But are people going over and over? Is it the same people and same companies buying tickets year on year?


  • #1475
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    So tell us all how much more successful you are than Cosgrave? I don't think you can but I'm happy to be proven wrong. I doubt there are many Irish 32 year old who have been as successful as he has in business, there's plenty of people jealous of it though

    If its so successful why are people comparing it to a scam ?


  • #1476
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    He didn't need to justify it. Nobody expected him to. He decided he needed to, for some reason.
    I think Paddy's own ego got the better of him and he made the rookie mistake of allowing the Internet to get to him.

    I suspect Paddy genuinely believes he was hard done by, by the short shrift he got from the Taoiseach's office. So he announces that they're moving to Lisbon in the hopes that it'll cause national uproar.
    But instead a few people go, "Ah jaysus that's a pity", and a few other people say "don't let the door hit you", and otherwise people don't really care.

    Furious that moving his web summit wasn't a national embarrassment and the talk of the Dail, he decides that the email trail is his trump card - "This will bring down the Dail", he thinks.

    And so here we are. An implosion entirely of his own making, ensuring that his web summit will probably never be hosted in Ireland again, at least not on his terms.


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  • #1477
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,296 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    ted1 wrote: »
    In reality they burnt there bridges here, but I suspect the main reason is that it simply needed a change. If your going on a jolly do you really want to go to the same place over and over

    I’d see it more as they’re getting direct government cash and if it does well abroad it is a much more valuable asset than an event that is stuck in one country.

    It was already a massive gamble which makes their actions over the last few weeks even more idiotic.


  • #1478
    seachto7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,863 ✭✭✭seachto7


    Can you imagine Merkel or Cameron getting roped into the finer points of a trade fair in Germany or the UK?

    Let's not forget Croke Park would bring more into Dublin on a weekend.


  • #1479
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    What are they investing in ? Most of the start up fail.

    What a silly point. I guess no one should ever invest in any start up then.


  • #1480
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    If its so successful why are people comparing it to a scam ?

    Another absolutely stupid post. Are you denying its a success now? €65 million evaluation and 30,000+ attendees and growing. In 4 years.


  • #1481
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    WarZ wrote: »
    Not because of the web summit but hosting it is favourable to that image. Lisbon is becoming a major hub at the moment and the WS will undeniably add to this

    No, Lisbon is starting on the Road to become some kind of tech hub a long way to go on that one though.


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  • #1482
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    WarZ wrote: »
    Another absolutely stupid post. Are you denying its a success now? €65 million evaluation and 30,000+ attendees and growing. In 4 years.

    Hang on it was 35 million a few pages back?

    Again have you actually attended the Web Summit at all?


  • #1483
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    This is a salient point. Cosgrave might have pressured sales tactics and clearly some start ups are annoyed at him. Rather they should be annoyed at themselves for being naive enough to fall for it.

    This a million times over. Complaining about the space given to them and the amount of competing start ups? Do some god damn research before investing thousands and not even establishing basic details.


  • #1484
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    WarZ wrote: »
    Another absolutely stupid post. Are you denying its a success now? €65 million evaluation and 30,000+ attendees and growing. In 4 years.

    link ?


  • #1485
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    gandalf wrote: »
    Hang on it was 35 million a few pages back?

    Again have you actually attended the Web Summit at all?

    Sorry 35million, whatever it doesn't change the success of it.

    I have attended once.


  • #1486
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    WarZ wrote: »
    This a million times over. Complaining about the space given to them and the amount of competing start ups? Do some god damn research before investing thousands and not even establishing basic details.

    Second ago one commented on investors, now one is blaming the start up. Make up ones mind are investors investing in the start up or are they terrible and doomed to fail ?


  • #1487
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    No, Lisbon is starting on the Road to become some kind of tech hub a long way to go on that one though.

    You don't have a clue, maybe read up on Lisbon


  • #1488
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    WarZ wrote: »
    Sorry 35million, whatever it doesn't change the success of it.

    Well there is 30 million of a difference ;)
    I have attended once.

    Just out of curiosity when?


  • #1489
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    WarZ wrote: »
    Sorry 35million, whatever it doesn't change the success of it.

    I have attended once.

    link ?


  • #1490
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    gandalf wrote: »
    Well there is 30 million of a difference ;)



    Just out of curiosity when?

    I'm replying to about 5 different posters simultaneously if you can excuse my slip of concentration :)

    I attended the first day this year


  • #1491
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,296 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    WarZ wrote: »
    Not because of the web summit but hosting it is favourable to that image. Lisbon is becoming a major hub at the moment and the WS will undeniably add to this

    It’s a tiny add when you compare it to the big tech names that the IDA and Enterprise Ireland have brought in.


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  • #1492
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    WarZ wrote: »
    You don't have a clue, maybe read up on Lisbon

    Yes, I do it's only starting on it's road to being a tech hub. Seems to be looking for Eu investment and also there is worry about the university's being able to keep up and actually provide the expertise.


  • #1493
    Rezident
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Rezident


    Can't wait til this "web summit" whatever it is, is gone from here. Irrelevant to me and irrelevant to most web users.


  • #1494
    Ctrl Alt Delete
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Ctrl Alt Delete


    WarZ wrote: »
    I think the government plugged what could have become a media storm and jumped on by FF in an election year. Claims that FG are threatening our tech industry and are out of touch (even if the loss of WS does not do this the average older voter would lap it up) would have followed.

    By making the WS look worthless and by attacking its founder the govt has avoided bad publicity

    And Cosgraves handling of it has been a disaster and as I've stated he needs a PR firm to handle this but it's clear he was under massive pressure to justify the move something that should never happen

    That's a fine story but here's the cold truth FG/Lab have not the remotest notion of how to do that.

    If you would like proof simply look to their many many many PR gaffe


  • #1495
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Oh and just to add I think we all know why it's moving to Lisbon, There is a start of a budding start up market just getting legs a Fresh market if you will. If it get's a decent amount of Eu funding for the tech start up sector that will mean a lot of turnover.


  • #1496
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    WarZ wrote: »
    I'm replying to about 5 different posters simultaneously if you can excuse my slip of concentration :)

    I attended the first day this year

    Ah ok.

    As I said I attended the second one and from that I had a very positive opinion on the WS and regarding PC after that experience.

    Last year I have the exact reverse feeling after I attended all three days. Personally I do think it has outgrown its remit and there is a major gap for a more focussed Startup only event.


  • #1497
    Eoin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,273 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    WarZ wrote: »
    The move made sense and all he has to do is survive the onslaught resulting from him having the audacity to move the event from Dublin.

    FFS, please actually read what most people are saying.

    The problem is not the move. Big deal - he outgrew Dublin, so congrats to him. His attitude - right from his petulant closing speech last year through to the ridiculous demands for the government to do his job and pay his expenses - has been piss poor. That's what people have a problem with. And that's before his dubious business practices.


  • #1498
    MyPeopleDrankTheSoup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭✭MyPeopleDrankTheSoup


    seamus wrote: »
    I think Paddy's own ego got the better of him and he made the rookie mistake of allowing the Internet to get to him.

    I suspect Paddy genuinely believes he was hard done by, by the short shrift he got from the Taoiseach's office. So he announces that they're moving to Lisbon in the hopes that it'll cause national uproar.
    But instead a few people go, "Ah jaysus that's a pity", and a few other people say "don't let the door hit you", and otherwise people don't really care.

    Furious that moving his web summit wasn't a national embarrassment and the talk of the Dail, he decides that the email trail is his trump card - "This will bring down the Dail", he thinks.

    good analysis. my opinion was somebody (prob that Gavin lad) did an FOI to get the emails so web summit decided to release first and get ahead of the story. now i'm not sure, i'm leaning towards your view that they're just idiots.

    good luck to him, i never knock a lad and his hustle. sure most conferences are scams anyway, just a tax writeoff and a pissup.

    paddy needs to heed Michael O'Leary's advice to never start believing your own bullshít


  • #1499
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    Eoin wrote: »
    FFS, please actually read what most people are saying.

    The problem is not the move. Big deal - he outgrew Dublin, so congrats to him. His attitude - right from his petulant closing speech last year through to the ridiculous demands for the government to do his job and pay his expenses - has been piss poor. That's what people have a problem with. And that's before his dubious business practices.

    I've admitted he is terrible at PR but there's a lot of people downplaying his success and not giving him any credit. Also having pops at him for not appearing on live TV when he is likely experiencing pressure that they could never imagine (yes due to his lack of media skills).


  • #1500
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Second ago one commented on investors, now one is blaming the start up. Make up ones mind are investors investing in the start up or are they terrible and doomed to fail ?

    You have now become intelligible. Congratulations!


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  • #1501
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    WarZ wrote: »
    I've admitted he is terrible at PR but there's a lot of people downplaying his success and not giving him any credit. Also having pops at him for not appearing on live TV when he is likely experiencing pressure that they could never imagine (yes due to his lack of media skills).

    :pac::pac::pac::pac:

    http://www.independent.ie/business/article30688369.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/2014-10-24_bus_4145863_I1.JPG


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