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Web Summit quits Dublin

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  • #1352
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 599 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    smash wrote: »
    He hasn't made 35m+ in 4 years. He was offered that last year. But after damaging the brand and deciding to move country where there's no proven success do you really think it's worth that now?

    Travis Kalinick CEO of UBER is known as an arrogant prick. Do you think investors give a crap? Steve jobs was a complete wanker to his staff and was a very difficult person to work with, it led to him being sacked from apple early on before they begged him to come back and they now have $200bn cash in the bank.

    Paddy has not damaged his brand if you read international publications, the government are the ones looking like complete idiots. Hes a very clever businessman and he has got a lot of free worldwide publicity out of this.


  • #1353
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    WarZ wrote: »
    Only a couple of games at the Aviva? So hundreds of millions of euro to the Irish economy as well as bringing huge numbers of visitors who could potentially become future tourists.

    Well that's not true. A hundred million was just thrown out there by Enda one day but never verified or broken down. Divided by the 30,000 attendees it would mean that the average that every attendee would be spending is just over €3,333 each. over €1,100 a day... each. I don't think so.


  • #1354
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    sully2010 wrote: »
    Travis Kalinick CEO of UBER is known as an arrogant prick. Do you think investors give a crap? Steve jobs was a complete wanker to his staff and was a very difficult person to work with, it led to him being sacked from apple early on before they begged him to come back and they now have $200bn cash in the bank.
    Funny though how they did it themselves and didn't go looking for their government's to run their businesses for them.
    sully2010 wrote: »
    Paddy has not damaged his brand if you read international publications, the government are the ones looking like complete idiots. Hes a very clever businessman and he has got a lot of free worldwide publicity out of this.

    Here's probably the two most viral international news story about the web summit.

    http://tech.eu/features/6244/web-summit-scam-well-ask/
    http://tech.eu/features/6203/no-web-summit-for-me/


  • #1355
    Red_Wake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭Red_Wake


    smash wrote: »
    Well that's not true. A hundred million was just thrown out there by Enda one day but never verified or broken down. Divided by the 30,000 attendees it would mean that the average that every attendee would be spending is just over €3,333 each. over €1,100 a day... each. I don't think so.

    With the price of food, I can see how you'd spend that much alright!


  • #1356
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 599 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    smash wrote: »
    Funny though how they did it themselves and didn't go looking for their government's to run their businesses for them.



    Here's probably the two most viral international news story about the web summit.

    http://tech.eu/features/6244/web-summit-scam-well-ask/
    http://tech.eu/features/6203/no-web-summit-for-me/

    Thats tech.eu, I'm sure Paddy and co are more concerned about what the likes of Bloomberg and FT are reporting.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-03/dublin-tech-hub-image-dented-by-e-mails-on-web-summit-exit-plan


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  • #1357
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    sully2010 wrote: »
    Thats tech.eu, I'm sure Paddy and co are more concerned about what the likes of Bloomberg and FT are reporting.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-03/dublin-tech-hub-image-dented-by-e-mails-on-web-summit-exit-plan

    I really fail to see how that article portrays Cosgrave as anything more than a whingy brat who couldn't manage his own issues.


  • #1358
    Ascii
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Ascii


    If it was as successful as some people are preaching what is to stop some other event organiser developing a similar jaunt next year ?


  • #1359
    dloob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭dloob


    sully2010 wrote: »
    Travis Kalinick CEO of UBER is known as an arrogant prick. Do you think investors give a crap? Steve jobs was a complete wanker to his staff and was a very difficult person to work with, it led to him being sacked from apple early on before they begged him to come back and they now have $200bn cash in the bank.

    Paddy has not damaged his brand if you read international publications, the government are the ones looking like complete idiots. Hes a very clever businessman and he has got a lot of free worldwide publicity out of this.

    I doubt anyone involved with the food summit will work with him or anyone to do with him ever again.
    A quick search will find plenty of stories from start ups about how they were completely ripped off and misled by the websummit too.
    He should take his 35 million and run, it looks like he is in danger of running out of suckers.

    This emperor has no clothes.


  • #1360
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 599 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ascii wrote: »
    If it was as successful as some people are preaching what is to stop some other event organiser developing a similar jaunt next year ?

    The first year of the StartupGathering.ie by Startup Ireland happened in November. They are non profit and pro startup so they could fill the vacuum. WS wants to make as much money as possible and if that means ripping off startups then so be it. They seem to keep growing and growing despite this, it is a disgrace to be fair.


  • #1361
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    smash wrote: »
    Here's probably the two most viral international news story about the web summit.

    http://tech.eu/features/6244/web-summit-scam-well-ask/

    Wow, those comments at the bottom really highlight the dissatisfaction people are feeling with the conference. The guy connected to the summit spamming the shíte out of the comments is just making things worse


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  • #1362
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,771 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    So Paddy fecks off to sunny Lisbon with his $60m company and his model fiancee. I doubt he cares too much for all the haters on here :pac:


  • #1363
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    If it's such a big deal why did he not move it to the USA..... Ah yeah 30k would be a meeting of Elvis impersonators there.


  • #1364
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    smash wrote: »
    Well that's not true. A hundred million was just thrown out there by Enda one day but never verified or broken down. Divided by the 30,000 attendees it would mean that the average that every attendee would be spending is just over €3,333 each. over €1,100 a day... each. I don't think so.

    That's a very simplistic analysis. What about the huge amount of people employed through WS and spending that new income? Security, marques, stewards, lighting and sound etc.

    All these factors add up, also outside of attendees there are tons of events all over the city. Town is absolutely jammers for a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday with people heading out

    I've a feeling Enda has more reliable economic information than u do to be honest


  • #1365
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    WarZ wrote: »
    That's a very simplistic analysis. What about the huge amount of people employed through WS and spending that new income? Security, marques, stewards, lighting and sound etc.

    All these factors add up, also outside of attendees there are tons of events all over the city. Town is absolutely jammers for a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday with people heading out

    I've a feeling Enda has more reliable economic information than u do to be honest

    Off the guy with an arm full of pints was it ? Or did the army at the ATMs inform him of it ?


  • #1366
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    WarZ wrote: »
    That's a very simplistic analysis. What about the huge amount of people employed through WS and spending that new income? Security, marques, stewards, lighting and sound etc.
    They're mostly volunteers and for those who aren't, it's only 3 days work.
    WarZ wrote: »
    All these factors add up, also outside of attendees there are tons of events all over the city. Town is absolutely jammers for a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday with people heading out
    I know that. But did you know that start ups are asked to host and pay for a lot of these events?
    WarZ wrote: »
    I've a feeling Enda has more reliable economic information than u do to be honest
    So do I, so I wish he'd give areal figure. He just threw that out as a ballpark figure when asked a question.


  • #1367
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    So Paddy fecks off to sunny Lisbon with his $60m company and his model fiancee. I doubt he cares too much for all the haters on here :pac:

    A lot of very bitter and unfulfilled people on this thread. It's very revealing


  • #1368
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    If it's such a big deal why did he not move it to the USA..... Ah yeah 30k would be a meeting of Elvis impersonators there.

    Tell me, have you created an event that has made you a millionaire in 4 years?

    Let's be honest it's unlikely you'll ever see that sort of money. Your only outlet is to bitterly attack those who have realised their dreams


  • #1369
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    WarZ wrote: »
    A lot of very bitter and unfulfilled people on this thread. It's very revealing

    Yes it is very revealing, Remind us again who blamed the Government for their in ability to run their own event ?


  • #1370
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    WarZ wrote: »
    Tell me, have you created an event that has made you a millionaire in 4 years?

    Let's be honest it's unlikely you'll ever see that sort of money. Your only outlet is to bitterly attack those who have realised their dreams

    Has he sold the company ?


  • #1371
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    smash wrote: »
    They're mostly volunteers and for those who aren't, it's only 3 days work.


    I know that. But did you know that start ups are asked to host and pay for a lot of these events?


    So do I, so I wish he'd give areal figure. He just threw that out as a ballpark figure when asked a question.


    Lol yeah those charlatans working security, port a loos, marques, event sound and lighting, etc are all doing it for free. The only volunteers are info people which is common at events.


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  • #1372
    Thelomen Toblackai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Thelomen Toblackai


    Ascii wrote: »
    If it was as successful as some people are preaching what is to stop some other event organiser developing a similar jaunt next year ?

    Nothing to stop them, but might find it hard to attract much attention when anyone who's anyone will be planning on going to Lisbon. People don't want to go to any old event, they want to go to THE events as that's where the people with the money go.

    I don't understand the view on here that it's of no real concern that this event is moving though. Whatever you think of Cosgrave or his motives it brought in a lot of cash for the economy and it was HUGE in the realms of IT. Whether its little more than networking or not those people networking at this event are people with the power to bring a whole lot more business to Ireland.

    And having such a big tech event here was also huge for the image of Ireland as a tech hub. The coverage worldwide of the event moving to Lisbon because of lack of infrastructure or a willingness of the government to invest in or support it is terrible for Ireland.

    It's a huge loss.


  • #1373
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Has he sold the company ?

    No but he could whenever he wants and be a multi millionaire. As it stands he already is a millionaire irrespective of whether he sells or not.

    What do you do that gives you such a position to belittle Paddys achievement by the way? I'd love to know


  • #1374
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    WarZ wrote: »
    Lol yeah those charlatans working security, port a loos, marques, event sound and lighting, etc are all doing it for free. The only volunteers are info people which is common at events.

    Sure lets just side step the proof to the contrary. “You have been chosen to attend the WS” hahaha.


  • #1375
    sid waddell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    WarZ wrote: »
    I would like to read you actually saying 'Paddy Cosgrave deserves massive credit for WS'


    I'd like to hear you admit that the Web Summit is based on exploitation in order to make personal profits for the organisers.

    Exploitation of start-ups.
    Exploitation of speakers.
    Exploitation of volunteers.
    Exploitation of food vendors.
    Exploitation of the venue.
    Exploitation of public money.

    Exploitation of everybody, really.


  • #1376
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    WarZ wrote: »
    A lot of very bitter and unfulfilled people on this thread. It's very revealing

    So Paddy Cosgrave and WebSummit should be allowed to do whatever they want because money and people who have issues with how they conduct themselves are just being bitter and unfulfilled?

    That's got a bit of a Bertie 'people talking down the economy should kill themselves' Ahern vibe to it…


  • #1377
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    WarZ wrote: »
    No but he could whenever he wants and be a multi millionaire. As it stands he already is a millionaire irrespective of whether he sells or not.

    What do you do that gives you such a position to belittle Paddys achievement by the way? I'd love to know

    And if he has killed off the company good name and the company is worth nothing how will he sell it ?


  • #1378
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »
    Nothing to stop them, but might find it hard to attract much attention when anyone who's anyone will be planning on going to Lisbon. People don't want to go to any old event, they want to go to THE events as that's where the people with the money go.

    I don't understand the view on here that it's of no real concern that this event is moving though. Whatever you think of Cosgrave or his motives it brought in a lot of cash for the economy and it was HUGE in the realms of IT. Whether its little more than networking or not those people networking at this event are people with the power to bring a whole lot more business to Ireland.

    And having such a big tech event here was also huge for the image of Ireland as a tech hub. The coverage worldwide of the event moving to Lisbon because of lack of infrastructure or a willingness of the government to invest in or support it is terrible for Ireland.

    It's a huge loss.

    Exactly. Every new investor or start up visiting Ireland for their first time is great for the country as is the worldwide media coverage. For a such a small country it really puts us on the map


  • #1379
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    So Paddy fecks off to sunny Lisbon with his $60m company and his model fiancee. I doubt he cares too much for all the haters on here :pac:

    Then he should have just done the LLS spot.


  • #1380
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    WarZ wrote: »
    Exactly. Every new investor or start up visiting Ireland for their first time is great for the country as is the worldwide media coverage. For a such a small country it really puts us on the map

    Sorry the Ws is 4 years old all the big tech companies are already here get off the stage. :pac::pac::pac:


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  • #1381
    Red Kev
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,793 ✭✭✭Red Kev


    WarZ wrote: »
    Why not? There are far worse corporations doing much more damage and they aren't called out on it in mainstream media like Cosgrave has been.

    Cosgraves big mistake was to dare challenge the government. .

    Cosgraves big mistake was to open his mouth, release emails and start a spat that anyone could see was him throwing toys out of his pram. He is solely to blame for that, nobody else.
    WarZ wrote: »
    It has a life of its own because of Paddy. He created the event and managed to build it from 100 attendees to over 30,000 that doesn't just happen magically. I'm surprised at how bitter you seem. Do you know him personally? To say Paddy deserves no credit for WS is outrageous.

    Started with 400. Assisted ably by the Irish taxpayer. It's doubtful he would have had the finances to get WS off the ground the way he did without serious financial help from us (the taxpayer).


    The summit is a loss to Dublin & Ireland, there is no doubt about that. There is also no doubt that Paddy Cosgrave is a liar and a backstabber. Maybe he will see the wrongs of his ways and come back to Dublin in 3 years, maybe not.

    The alternative is that we put in provisional planning for new WS in Dublin in 2017 with the backing of some of the tech giants here and make a new WS without Paddy Cosgrave.

    He's had a bit of luck, fair play to him and I don't begrudge him that, but we don't have to take the removal of WS from Dublin lying down.


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