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Web Summit quits Dublin

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  • #1322
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    my friend wrote: »
    Won't anyone attend my 'IOT world Conference' ?

    I'll send my toaster to go and report back.


  • #1323
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    5rtytry56 wrote: »
    the apt poster boy from the nation of begrugers...

    Good Lad Paddy.

    I'm not Irish, Guy was a complete chancer. Basically an over rated life coach of the IT conference world. Delusions of being Steve Jobs.


  • #1324
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I'm not Irish, Guy was a complete chancer. Basically an over rated life coach of the IT conference world. Delusions of being Steve Jobs.

    Interesting, considering your questionable views on foreigners and immigrants.

    If he was a chancer so what? He's made more money that 99% of this forum will ever see


  • #1325
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    WarZ wrote: »
    If he was a chance so what? He's made more money that 99% of this forum will ever see

    Nobody cares how much money he's made. This is not about his monetary value.


  • #1326
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    WarZ wrote: »
    If he was a chance so what? He's made more money that 99% of this forum will ever see

    Yes by making money in a very dubious fashion off companies that are just starting off. What a hero! :rolleyes:


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  • #1327
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    gandalf wrote: »
    Yes by making money in a very dubious fashion off companies that are just starting off. What a hero! :rolleyes:

    Meet reality for most successful entrepreneurs. Survival of the fittest


  • #1328
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    smash wrote: »
    Nobody cares how much money he's made. This is not about his monetary value.

    I'm saying he's not simply a chancer who fluked this. Considering the amount of money he's made from it and the amount of start ups willing to pay thousands to attend it would appear he is very good at what he does. If he wasn't it wouldn't have taken off as it has. Credit where it's due


  • #1329
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,007 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    WarZ wrote: »
    Meet reality for most successful entrepreneurs. Survival of the fittest

    He cant make money the way hes been doing and not have his name dragged through the mud, he wants to have his cake and eat it too and hes crying now that he cant


  • #1330
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,007 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    WarZ wrote: »
    I'm saying he's not simply a chancer who fluked this. Considering the amount of money he's made from it and the amount of start ups willing to pay thousands to attend it would appear he is very good at what he does. If he wasn't it wouldn't have taken off as it has. Credit where it's due

    Talk to any vendors who do business with him you might hear a different tune about how good he is at what he does


  • #1331
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    WarZ wrote: »
    If he was a chancer so what? He's made more money that 99% of this forum will ever see
    If you measure success by the amount of money you have (regardless of the methods used to get it), then you have a lot to learn!


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  • #1332
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    WarZ wrote: »
    Meet reality for most successful entrepreneurs. Survival of the fittest

    A good entrepreneur is one that doesn't burn his bridges like PC has.

    He is something but a good businessman is not one of them.


  • #1333
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    VinLieger wrote: »
    He cant make money the way hes been doing and not have his name dragged through the mud, he wants to have his cake and eat it too and hes crying now that he cant

    Why not? There are far worse corporations doing much more damage and they aren't called out on it in mainstream media like Cosgrave has been.

    Cosgraves big mistake was to dare challenge the government. The only person who has taken on the government and won is Michael O'Leary though the govt did its best to impede Ryanair at every opportunity. Funnily enough the general public consensus is O'Leary and Ryanair are greedy, scamming so and so's. Like I said it's incredible how much influence the government can subtly exert on the general public.


  • #1334
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    WarZ wrote: »
    I'm saying he's not simply a chancer who fluked this. Considering the amount of money he's made from it and the amount of start ups willing to pay thousands to attend it would appear he is very good at what he does. If he wasn't it wouldn't have taken off as it has. Credit where it's due

    It has a life of it's own at this stage. If Paddy wasn't there, it would still run and I'd even go so far as to say it would run better and be more successful as I think he's tarnished the brand. Did you read the article posted earlier where it spoke about how badly organised it is year on year and how there's no repeat business? He'll eventually run out of people to do business with unless he changes dramatically.


  • #1335
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    WarZ wrote: »
    Cosgraves big mistake was to dare challenge the government.

    How did he challenge the government?
    Wanting them to perform takes to assist his event (that he himself should be doing) is not challenging them.


  • #1336
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    WarZ wrote: »
    Why not? There are far worse corporations doing much more damage and they aren't called out on it in mainstream media like Cosgrave has been.

    Cosgraves big mistake was to dare challenge the government. The only person who has taken on the government and won is Michael O'Leary though the govt did its best to impede Ryanair at every opportunity. Funnily enough the general public consensus is O'Leary and Ryanair are greedy, scamming so and so's. Like I said it's incredible how much influence the government can subtly exert on the general public.

    Dear god, We do have a CT forum MSM..... Remind us again who leaked the Emails and then made a complete fool of themselves with their nonsense wish list and demands that are nothing to do with the Government.


  • #1337
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    kbannon wrote: »
    If you measure success by the amount of money you have (regardless of the methods used to get it), then you have a lot to learn!

    It's not just the money. Cosgrave has created something that has become an annual global event with 30,000+ Attendees including government ministers from around the world and some of the biggest players in the tech industry. That's impressive in itself. Like I said credit where it's due. From 100 people to over 30,000 in a few years, incredible feat!


  • #1338
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    smash wrote: »
    He'll eventually run out of people to do business with unless he changes dramatically.
    ...or moves country


  • #1339
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 599 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gandalf wrote: »
    A good entrepreneur is one that doesn't burn his bridges like PC has.

    He is something but a good businessman is not one of them.

    He got offered €35m for the holding company behind the Web Summit last year. He could probably double that this year. Not bad for 4 years work. He may not have come across the best over the last few weeks, in fact I would say say hes come across as a bit of a arrogant twat but hes a damn good businessman imo. A lot of really successful businessmen are arrogant twats. You don't make €35m+ in 4 years being a nice guy all the time


  • #1340
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,007 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    WarZ wrote: »
    Why not? There are far worse corporations doing much more damage and they aren't called out on it in mainstream media like Cosgrave has been.

    Cosgraves big mistake was to dare challenge the government. The only person who has taken on the government and won is Michael O'Leary though the govt did its best to impede Ryanair at every opportunity. Funnily enough the general public consensus is O'Leary and Ryanair are greedy, scamming so and so's. Like I said it's incredible how much influence the government can subtly exert on the general public.

    Because they keep quiet and don't raise their heads, they have good PR teams who don't shout and scream and draw attention to themselves which is what paddy did all week, and then was found out to have been lying the whole time

    This government is far from popular but paddy managed to do what nobody else has for their entire term and that is to get a large majority of people to say "you know the government were right on this one"


  • #1341
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    WarZ wrote: »
    Why not? There are far worse corporations doing much more damage and they aren't called out on it in mainstream media like Cosgrave has been.

    Cosgraves big mistake was to dare challenge the government. The only person who has taken on the government and won is Michael O'Leary though the govt did its best to impede Ryanair at every opportunity. Funnily enough the general public consensus is O'Leary and Ryanair are greedy, scamming so and so's. Like I said it's incredible how much influence the government can subtly exert on the general public.

    His mistake was to be found out as a complete and utter hypocrite.

    If he was a savvy businessman he would have made the announcement about Lisbon and left it at that. He would have had the majority on his side and the Government would have been on the backfoot. He let his ego drive things and he accordingly has reaped the rewards.

    Personally I don't like Michael O'Leary but to even suggest that PC is comparable to Ryanair and MoL is fantasist nonsense of the highest order. Ryanair under MoL has not only shaken up flight services from Ireland but for the whole of Europe. Ryanair's impact for its clients and the Irish economy is tangible and measurable. The Websummit is the equivalent to a couple of games in the Aviva to the local economy. Any startup that got funding there probably would have got funding anyway.


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  • #1342
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    smash wrote: »
    It has a life of it's own at this stage. If Paddy wasn't there, it would still run and I'd even go so far as to say it would run better and be more successful as I think he's tarnished the brand. Did you read the article posted earlier where it spoke about how badly organised it is year on year and how there's no repeat business? He'll eventually run out of people to do business with unless he changes dramatically.

    It has a life of its own because of Paddy. He created the event and managed to build it from 100 attendees to over 30,000 that doesn't just happen magically. I'm surprised at how bitter you seem. Do you know him personally? To say Paddy deserves no credit for WS is outrageous.


  • #1343
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    sully2010 wrote: »
    He got offered €35m for the holding company behind the Web Summit last year. He could probably double that this year. Not bad for 4 years work. He may not have come across the best over the last few weeks, in fact I would say say hes come across as a bit of a arrogant twat but hes a damn good businessman imo. A lot of really successful businessmen are arrogant twats. You don't make €35m+ in 4 years being a nice guy all the time

    He hasn't made 35m+ in 4 years. He was offered that last year. But after damaging the brand and deciding to move country where there's no proven success do you really think it's worth that now?


  • #1344
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    sully2010 wrote: »
    He got offered €35m for the holding company behind the Web Summit last year. He could probably double that this year. Not bad for 4 years work. He may not have come across the best over the last few weeks, in fact I would say say hes come across as a bit of a arrogant twat but hes a damn good businessman imo. A lot of really successful businessmen are arrogant twats. You don't make €35m+ in 4 years being a nice guy all the time

    He hasn't made that until its sold. Given his recent behaviour he is probably the biggest threat to the Web Summit brand. Lisbon is probably going to be make or break for the brand. If he doesn't entice the US attendees over it could turn out to be a major disaster for them.


  • #1345
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    sully2010 wrote: »
    He got offered €35m for the holding company behind the Web Summit last year. He could probably double that this year. Not bad for 4 years work. He may not have come across the best over the last few weeks, in fact I would say say hes come across as a bit of a arrogant twat but hes a damn good businessman imo. A lot of really successful businessmen are arrogant twats. You don't make €35m+ in 4 years being a nice guy all the time

    The sooner people realise this the better. I think there's a lot of very bitter posters on this thread tbh.

    It was an incredible feat


  • #1346
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    WarZ wrote: »
    It has a life of its own because of Paddy. He created the event and managed to build it from 100 attendees to over 30,000 that doesn't just happen magically. I'm surprised at how bitter you seem. Do you know him personally? To say Paddy deserves no credit for WS is outrageous.

    Stop putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting my posts. I did not say that Paddy Gosgrave deserves no credit for WS. And no, I do not know him.


  • #1347
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    gandalf wrote: »
    He hasn't made that until its sold. Given his recent behaviour he is probably the biggest threat to the Web Summit brand. Lisbon is probably going to be make or break for the brand. If he doesn't entice the US attendees over it could turn out to be a major disaster for them.

    Ah come on, credit where it's due he's built something worth tens of millions in just 4 years from humble beginnings.


  • #1348
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    smash wrote: »
    Stop putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting my posts. I did not say that Paddy Gosgrave deserves no credit for WS. And no, I do not know him.

    I would like to read you actually saying 'Paddy Cosgrave deserves massive credit for WS'


  • #1349
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,007 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    WarZ wrote: »
    The sooner people realise this the better. I think there's a lot of very bitter posters on this thread tbh.

    It was an incredible feat

    Did you attend or know anyone who did or worked with the summit this year, I didnt attend this year but know many who did or who worked with it and I have heard zero positive feedback at best I heard the equivalent of "it was grand"

    Anyone supplying or working as a contractor doing foods etc has come away with very bitter tastes in their mouths. He has burned pretty much every single bridge he had.


  • #1350
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    WarZ wrote: »
    I would like to read you actually saying 'Paddy Cosgrave deserves massive credit for WS'
    Eh... no. This isn't school detention.


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  • #1351
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    gandalf wrote: »
    His mistake was to be found out as a complete and utter hypocrite.

    If he was a savvy businessman he would have made the announcement about Lisbon and left it at that. He would have had the majority on his side and the Government would have been on the backfoot. He let his ego drive things and he accordingly has reaped the rewards.

    Personally I don't like Michael O'Leary but to even suggest that PC is comparable to Ryanair and MoL is fantasist nonsense of the highest order. Ryanair under MoL has not only shaken up flight services from Ireland but for the whole of Europe. Ryanair's impact for its clients and the Irish economy is tangible and measurable. The Websummit is the equivalent to a couple of games in the Aviva to the local economy. Any startup that got funding there probably would have got funding anyway.

    Only a couple of games at the Aviva? So hundreds of millions of euro to the Irish economy as well as bringing huge numbers of visitors who could potentially become future tourists.

    Yep, the WS offers no tangible benefit to the Irish economy. And you speak of fantasist nonsense....


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