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    #662
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    Teaching children that dysfunctional and broken families are acceptable = good

    Teaching children about their own faith = bad


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    #663
    Bristolscale7
    Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Bristolscale7


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Teaching children that dysfunctional and broken families are acceptable = good

    Teaching children about their own faith = bad

    In the words of Howard "Bunny" Colvin, "Thanks for being you."


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    #664
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Teaching children that dysfunctional and broken families are acceptable = good

    Teaching children about their own faith = bad

    Didn't Jesus come from a pretty dysfunctional family himself?


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    #665
    rainbow kirby
    Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 26,928 Mod ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Teaching children about their own faith = bad

    Children don't innately have a religious faith unless adults force it on them.


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    #666
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    lazygal wrote: »
    Didn't Jesus come from a pretty dysfunctional family himself?
    Teenage mother having unprotected sex with a somebody she'd just met, absentee biological father, low-earning foster father. And none of them were even christians.

    Sends all the wrong signals to conservatives I'd have thought.


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    #667
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    lazygal wrote: »
    Pretty sure atheists have the same burial options in local authority owned burial grounds as everyone else.


    Sure they have options it's just a little hypocritical of them to elect to be buried in consecrated ground.


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    #668
    kylith
    Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    "Quote: Absolam
    Well, let's not start from an incorrect assumption; you think it's a fact that children are being told something to be true in when in fact tis all a makey up story. I don't take a position on it, since the stipulation is not part of the OP, nor does it seem relevant to it."

    Any evidence to share that show it's being taught as a makey-up story rather than as a central tenant of Christian faith to be taken as, heh, gospel? Because it was definitely taught as fact when I was in school.
    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Teaching children that dysfunctional and broken families are acceptable = good

    Teaching children about their own faith = bad
    Why can their parents not teach them about their faith at home and in Sunday school and mass?


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    #669
    Absolam
    Registered Users Posts: 6,913 ✭✭✭Absolam


    looksee wrote: »
    Your argument has been pretty thin for a good while, I think this is just about breaking point.
    Gosh that's me told :)
    Such a well founded rebuttal is certainly beyond dispute!


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    #670
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    lazygal wrote: »
    Pretty sure atheists have the same burial options in local authority owned burial grounds as everyone else.

    Sure they have options but is not a bit hypocritical of them to elect to be buried in consecrated ground.


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    #671
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Sure they have options but is not a bit hypocritical of them to elect to be buried in consecrated ground.

    To an atheist "consecrated ground" is just "ground".


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    #672
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    lazygal wrote: »
    Didn't Jesus come from a pretty dysfunctional family himself?

    Absentee father, hung out with a bad crowd, got in trouble with the law, died young.


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    #673
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Kev W wrote: »
    To an atheist "consecrated ground" is just "ground".


    Oh I got you. Just like when so many 'atheists' choose to get married in a church it really is just a building. Not a trace of hypocracy there I guess.


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    #674
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Oh I got you. Just like when so many 'atheists' choose to get married in a church it really is just a building. Not a trace of hypocracy there I guess.

    You guess correctly.


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    #675
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Sure they have options but is not a bit hypocritical of them to elect to be buried in consecrated ground.

    Local authorities cater for all faiths and none. What's hypocritical about being buried in such cemeteries?
    Didn't have a church wedding myself.


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    #676
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Mod:
    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Oh I got you. Just like when so many 'atheists' choose to get married in a church it really is just a building. Not a trace of hypocracy there I guess.
    Dan - last warning here. Be civil or you'll be carded.


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    #677
    swampgas
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    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Or if their parents were atheist they might appreciate being told that when they die they can be buried out back with shep the dog.

    Atheists really seem to wind you up, don't they?

    How about letting parents explain to their children about where and when they can be buried, if that explanation is ever needed, at an appropriate time? The school doesn't need to get involved at all.

    Same way the school doesn't need to be involved in indoctrinating kids - no reason why the parents couldn't take care of that too.

    But you go back to hating atheists for the fact that they exist and might not want a religion imposed on their kids.


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    #678
    PopePalpatine
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    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Teaching children that dysfunctional and broken families are acceptable = good

    Teaching children about their own faith = bad

    What are these "dysfunctional" and "broken" families? Something tells me that ones with an abusive father aren't included in your list.


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    #679
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    swampgas wrote: »
    Atheists really seem to wind you up, don't they?

    How about letting parents explain to their children about where and when they can be buried, if that explanation is ever needed, at an appropriate time? The school doesn't need to get involved at all.

    Same way the school doesn't need to be involved in indoctrinating kids - no reason why the parents couldn't take care of that too.

    But you go back to hating atheists for the fact that they exist and might not want a religion imposed on their kids.

    What makes you think I hate atheists? I just find it strange that so many of them don't stick to their principles.If I was an atheist I would like to think I was man enough to never have my kids baptised, never have them get first communion or confirmation, never get married in a church, never attend a funeral service, basicly stick to my principles that's all.


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    #680
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    robindch wrote: »
    Mod:Dan - last warning here. Be civil or you'll be carded.

    I described a set of circumstances or a position taken as being hypocrital IMO.
    I did not call anyone names as others have done but hey you're the mod.


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    #681
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    I described a set of circumstances or a position taken as being hypocrital IMO.
    Most of your input to this thread been little beyond thinly-veiled insults - if you wish to avoid being carded, then either up the standard of your input, or if you can't or won't do that, then cut out the thinly-veiled insults.

    That is all.


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    #682
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    What makes you think I hate atheists? I just find it strange that so many of them don't stick to their principles.If I was an atheist I would like to think I was man enough to never have my kids baptised, never have them get first communion or confirmation, never get married in a church, never attend a funeral service, basicly stick to my principles that's all.

    Those would be your priniciples if you were an atheist, that doesn't mean they are the principles of every atheist. I've certainly never come across an atheist claiming that it would go against their principles to attend a funeral service.


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    #683
    The Randy Riverbeast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Teaching children that dysfunctional and broken families are acceptable = good

    Teaching children about their own faith = bad

    What dysfunctional families would that be?

    If you have to teach it to someone then it isn't their own faith.


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    #684
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Kev W wrote: »
    . I've certainly never come across an atheist claiming that it would go against their principles to attend a funeral service.

    Me neither! (I'm a little constrained in how I reply, I can't use the word hypocritical for example)


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    #685
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Me neither! (I'm a little constrained in how I reply, I can't use the word hypocritical for example)

    I don't see why you need to. Would a Christian be hypocritical if they attended a Jewish funeral?


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    #686
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    What are these "dysfunctional" and "broken" families? Something tells me that ones with an abusive father aren't included in your list.

    I'm just pointing out the absurdity of people who think it's ok to impose their sinister neo-Marxist agenda upon Catholic children, and at the same time seek to prevent them from learning about their own faith.


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    #687
    swampgas
    Registered Users Posts: 3,540 ✭✭✭swampgas


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Me neither! (I'm a little constrained in how I reply, I can't use the word hypocritical for example)

    Hypocrisy runs rampant through Irish society, and many atheists are indeed hypocrites, just as much as those who self-identify as Catholic.

    I'm an atheist who doesn't pretend otherwise - got married in a registry office, won't have a church funeral, etc., there are others who "go with the flow" because religion is so deeply embedded in Irish society that (for them) it's just too much hassle to do otherwise.

    Back on topic though - how does this relate to the OP???


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    #688
    swampgas
    Registered Users Posts: 3,540 ✭✭✭swampgas


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    I'm just pointing out the absurdity of people who think it's ok to impose their sinister neo-Marxist agenda upon Catholic children, and at the same time seek to prevent them from learning about their own faith.

    I'm genuinely laughing out loud here. :D:D:D

    Thanks for brightening up my morning.


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    #689
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    I'm just pointing out the absurdity of people who think it's ok to impose their sinister neo-Marxist agenda upon Catholic children, and at the same time seek to prevent them from learning about their own faith.

    You're right, what you've written there is completely absurd.


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    #690
    lazygal
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    frostyjacks wrote: »
    I'm just pointing out the absurdity of people who think it's ok to impose their sinister neo-Marxist agenda upon Catholic children, and at the same time seek to prevent them from learning about their own faith.

    How is our not raising children in Catholic doctrine sinister and neo Marxist?


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    The Randy Riverbeast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    I'm just pointing out the absurdity of people who think it's ok to impose their sinister neo-Marxist agenda upon Catholic children, and at the same time seek to prevent them from learning about their own faith.

    What dysfunctional families would that be?

    What neo-Marxist agenda? Every time I see Marxism or Marxist it tends to come from someone who has no idea what they are talking about.

    And Im still confused on how something can be a persons faith if they dont believe it and have to be taught to believe it.


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