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Boards - as good as it used to be?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,202 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    Bring back LOLcats, I say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,157 ✭✭✭keithclancy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    Tis a bit like me.

    I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was.

    Thats just the cold hard truth..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    People have been whinging since boards was set up that it's "going downhill", "bring back the good old days", and of course complaining about it being too PC and mods too heavy-handed.

    Has boards gotten a little more PC? Yeah, I think so. It's moved beyond a place where gamers and almost exclusively young men congregate and call each other retards & fags while making the same sexist and racist jokes over and over ad nauseum, to somewhere that you wouldn't be embarrassed to show your partner or your parents.

    And that's not a bad thing. As the Internet has moved beyond the realm of computer scientists and gamers to being used every day by your average person on the street, the likes of 4chan have fallen more and more behind and become a "dark corner" of the web. There was a time when 4chan was just a little bit edgier and more nefarious than some other forums, but it was pretty popular. Now it appeals to a tiny corner of the web, most rational adults steer clear.

    Even reddit, which somewhat prides itself on being a wide-open talking shop with a diverse userbase has a population massively skewed towards young white middle class males, moreso than most other popular sites.

    Boards has for the most part been able to keep with the times and deliver the kind of thing that most people want to use - somewhere that you can have a discussion or post a question and you get back mostly coherent and respectful responses rather than an unintelligible stream of crap or some obscure meme response. Look at facebook. You cannot have a rational and coherent discussion on facebook, unless it's between a couple of friends. There is no forum for debate there because there's no control.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,000 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    As the internet has become pervasive in society, the average IQ of posters on all on-line fora has dropped. It used to be the case that those on-line were likely to be middle class guys (with a small minority of girls) either heading for, in the middle of or recently out of university. As smartphones and cheap broadband became the norm there was an influx of "working" class, "lads", attention whoring "girlos" and an all around less educated demographic.

    Most of the early posters here had to go out and get internet, they were the early adopters rather than many of the younger posters who've grown up with it in the house.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    seamus wrote: »
    Boards has for the most part been able to keep with the times and deliver the kind of thing that most people want to use

    Have you seen the new beta website?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Sleepy wrote: »
    As the internet has become pervasive in society, the average IQ of posters on all on-line fora has dropped. It used to be the case that those on-line were likely to be middle class guys (with a small minority of girls) either heading for, in the middle of or recently out of university. As smartphones and cheap broadband became the norm there was an influx of "working" class, "lads", attention whoring "girlos" and an all around less educated demographic.

    Now this is the sort of thing that might get one banned! Lower orders roaming free online and thus needing to be watched carefully. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    smash wrote: »
    Have you seen the new beta website?
    Yep. It's not bad. A few bugs, a few missing features.

    Mobile and tablet displays are quickly overtaking desktops as the browser of choice online. Last company I worked sold stuff online and the mobile -v- desktop contingent was 3:1, increasing from 1:20 in the space of 24 months despite the company's site looking like sh1te online.

    There's still a lot of browsing from work for sites like boards, but I imagine the mobile traffic is quickly catching up on desktop, if it hasn't already.

    Unfortunately for the rest of us, we're going to have to accept the fact that as time moves on most sites will put the bulk of their energy into optimising for mobile displays and desktop will become a little sterile.

    A bit like dial-up users who started complaining that 10kb was too big a page size for boards, it was taking forever to download, eventually those who don't move on in technology have to be left behind.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    seamus wrote: »
    Yep. It's not bad. A few bugs, a few missing features. I

    Mobile and tablet displays are quickly overtaking desktops as the browser of choice online. Last company I worked sold stuff online and the mobile -v- desktop contingent was 3:1, increasing from 1:20 in the space of 24 months despite the company's site looking like sh1te online.

    There's still a lot of browsing from work for sites like boards, but I imagine the mobile traffic is quickly catching up on desktop, if it hasn't already.

    Unfortunately for the rest of us, we're going to have to accept the fact that as time moves on most sites will put the bulk of their energy into optimising for mobile displays and desktop will become a little sterile.

    A bit like dial-up users who started complaining that 10kb was too big a page size for boards, it was taking forever to download, eventually those who don't move on in technology have to be left behind.

    That's all well and good Seamus, but the beta site isn't optimised for mobile. It's just an awful mash up of bad design, with a very poor UI and an even worse user experience. There's literally nothing new, or good about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Been browsing/posting (occasionally) for close to ten years now.
    Its definitely far less funny than it used to be because humour is often dark and nasty.

    Better place for discussion in last 5/6 years but in say the last 2 years its been getting worse for that too. Maybe its because I am getting more right wing as I get older or maybe its the fact that with even stricter moderation the "untouchable" diversionary posters become even more obvious than before thats the reason.
    Dav's posts on feedback would tend to make me think this isn't my imaginings, I considered closing account recently and starting a new one but thought against it as being a fresh account and not being a consensus poster tends to lead to bans if you reply to goading.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    seamus wrote: »
    Has boards gotten a little more PC? Yeah, I think so. It's moved beyond a place where gamers and almost exclusively young men congregate and call each other retards & fags while making the same sexist and racist jokes over and over ad nauseum, to somewhere that you wouldn't be embarrassed to show your partner or your parents.
    Funny S, I have found Boards if anything has become a little more nasty in places. Even under the veneer of "more PC". It's become more fractured, more "local", less an overall community.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,202 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    What has happened is, every moron with a connected device feels he has the right to say what he wants, without fear of consequences.

    Well newsflash, you cannot say what you want, you are not anonymous on the internet and both you and Boards.ie can be held accountable for what you say.

    So get over it.

    What is missing is the cutting satire that can be witty, gets the point across while remaining civil.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,059 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Regarding After Hours - It probably goes in cycles but the amount of people being obnoxious to 'stick it to the PC brigade' seems to be worse then before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    I've definitely found AH to be a far more unfriendlier place as the years go by, with people very quick to jump down each other's throats for ridiculous reasons or grammar taken up the wrong way (Which I'm sure is nearly intentional in a lot of cases).

    There's a select few who continuously shít on threads the moment they start because they themselves don't find the topic interesting or remember that the topic was covered back in 2009. It's not very inviting for someone to start a topic if the clique are going to come down on them like a ton of bricks.

    AH's lowest point for me was the sticky about misogyny, that left a very sour taste for this forum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jamesbere


    I like boards and find I get some great information off the site thanks to some well informed poster's. But having said that some of the threads descend into chaos at times with some totally veering away from the original topic, some light hearted discussions turn into arguments in a couple of pages which is disappointing to see.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭Stranger Danger


    It's become an over-moderated sterile place.

    Most people come to AH for craic and banter, not po-faced mods on a power-trip trying to shut down anything that doesn't conform to their narrow definitions of 'appropriate'.

    Ultimately the site will suffer drops in traffic if this policy continues.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    I like the new competition to shoehorn simplistic political polemics into the most unrelated threads possible:

    Has anything genuinely creepy or unnerving ever happened to you?
    "When the government used my tax money to give the banks a blanket guarantee! :rolleyes:"

    Stingiest thing you've seen stingy people do
    "I know this fella called Enda, even though he promised he wouldn't, hes cut my wages to pay the bondholders, and of course he blames the fella before him! :rolleyes:"

    Trivial things that annoy you
    "Having to pay for water twice, even though it falls free from the sky :rolleyes:"

    So is prostitution to be outlawed in Ireland or what?
    "Doesnt look like it, sure havent we all been pimped out to Angela by this government? :rolleyes:"

    No more coppers
    "Dont worry, there'll still be plenty of coppers trying to stop peaceful protestors who for some reason think its wrong that we have to pay for water. :rolleyes:"

    Cutting dole for criminals
    "What about cutting bonuses for the banksters, arent they the biggest criminals of all? :rolleyes:"

    What's your favourite colour?
    "Blue, because that's how I feel about the bondholders taking my hard-earned tax money! :rolleyes:"

    What time is it?
    "Time to burn the bondholders who are making us pay for water! :rolleyes:"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Funny how most of the people complaining about boards and After Hours in particular not being 'as good as it was' often seem to have new accounts.


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Bobby Unsightly Salon


    the old grey mare she
    aint what she used to be
    aint what she used to be
    aint what she used to be


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jamesbere


    I like the new competition to shoehorn simplistic political polemics into the most unrelated threads possible:

    Has anything genuinely creepy or unnerving ever happened to you?
    "When the government used my tax money to give the banks a blanket guarantee! :rolleyes:"

    Stingiest thing you've seen stingy people do
    "I know this fella called Enda, even though he promised he wouldn't, hes cut my wages to pay the bondholders, and of course he blames the fella before him! :rolleyes:"

    Trivial things that annoy you
    "Having to pay for water twice, even though it falls free from the sky :rolleyes:"

    So is prostitution to be outlawed in Ireland or what?
    "Doesnt look like it, sure havent we all been pimped out to Angela by this government? :rolleyes:"

    No more coppers
    "Dont worry, there'll still be plenty of coppers trying to stop peaceful protestors who for some reason think its wrong that we have to pay for water. :rolleyes:"

    Cutting dole for criminals
    "What about cutting bonuses for the banksters, arent they the biggest criminals of all? :rolleyes:"

    What's your favourite colour?
    "Blue, because that's how I feel about the bondholders taking my hard-earned tax money! :rolleyes:"

    What time is it?
    "Time to burn the bondholders who are making us pay for water! :rolleyes:"

    It's worse on facebook, any news story your guaranteed to see any of the above and more.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jamesbere


    bluewolf wrote: »
    the old grey mare she
    aint what she used to be
    aint what she used to be
    aint what she used to be

    :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    I miss all the religion and traveller threads....silly Mods!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    It's become an over-moderated sterile place.

    Most people come to AH for craic and banter, not po-faced mods on a power-trip trying to shut down anything that doesn't conform to their narrow definitions of 'appropriate'.

    Ultimately the site will suffer drops in traffic if this policy continues.

    TBH "new user" that's been said since day one yet the traffic levels keep increasing ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    jamesbere wrote: »
    It's worse on facebook, any news story your guaranteed to see any of the above and more.

    Don't even look at the comments on Thejournal!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jamesbere


    gandalf wrote: »
    Don't even look at the comments on Thejournal!

    Forgot about The journal, That place is awful.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    I miss all the religion and traveller threads....silly Mods!

    October/November were always good months for the religion threads. In December the people posting in those switched to hating Christmas. In January they usually mellowed out a bit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    gandalf wrote: »
    TBH "new user" that's been said since day one yet the traffic levels keep increasing ;)

    Linkz plz






    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Robsweezie wrote: »
    looking through old threads from about 2010-2011 and you see a lot of banned posters, messy grammar and people just being pure dicks to each other . all of these are seen at a much lesser extent nowadays it seems. cleaner, more sterilised. a lot of ''trolls'' have been weeded out.

    I think the site has grown up a bit and changed, but for the better? is it as good as It used to be? ive only been on 3 years so im not familiar with the early days.

    Also a lot of posters have become americanised :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,311 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    In January they usually mellowed out a bit

    ...until Good Friday rolls up, then its bashed again in the name of getting the boozer to open!


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    gandalf wrote: »
    TBH "new user" that's been said since day one yet the traffic levels keep increasing ;)
    I dunno about that G. I'd bet the user base is well down from a peak in around 2010/11. If nothing else from strong twitter/facebook/reddit competition. Web stats are notoriously dubious anyway. The number of content contributors that actually drive a forum can be remarkably low and still the numbers can appear large. I've seen this on private forums where you might only have 10 or 20 members. Half would be regular posters and half of them again would make up quite the bulk of content. Yet I've seen numbers of posts and threads with that few forum members that would be way ahead of a helluva lot of public forums on Boards.ie. It's remarkable to me how quite small numbers of folks can generate so much. I can think of a couple of forums where the vast majority of the content is down to two or three keystone posters. I can think of one where it's pretty much down to one and when he/she stops posting the forum goes silent. There have been recent successes like farming and forestry and the Politics Cafe to name but two which is fantastic and the Talk to forums are going great guns(and actually help fund the place), but there are an awful lot of ghost town forums around.

    Here in AH, the most popular forum on the site by a margin? I'd reckon a rolling turnover of around 100 keystone content generators.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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