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Injustices that Particularly Irk You

  • 02-11-2015 01:29PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭


    Let's try steer clear of the whole banking fiasco so we don't get too bogged down in another of those threads :)

    I am thinking more of things like the OJ Simpson case or Madeline McCann's disappearance (if you believe that the parent's did it)

    For me it is the Amanda Knox case. The girl could not have been more guilty yet she was painted in the US media as a darling who had been the victim of a medieval like criminal justice system in Italy where suspects are regularly beaten and threatened with rape by Italian police officers.

    Yet looking at the facts the entire thing is just plain weird

    FIVE REASONS KNOX IS GUILTY
    1) The confession.

    Knox confessed that she was in the house on the night of the murder and that she heard Miss Kercher scream, identifying a Congolese bar owner, Patrick Lumumba, as the assailant. She told the court during the trial that the confession was made under duress but then repeated the entire account in a five page memorandum the next morning.


    2) The false accusation.

    The prosecution said the fact that Knox falsely accused Lumumba of being the killer was a sign of her own guilt and an attempt to throw them off her trail. He was arrested in a dawn raid by armed police and spent two weeks in jail. It was only by chance that a Swiss businessman read about the case and came forward to say he had been talking to Lumumba in his bar on the night of the murder — offering him a rock-solid alibi. Lumumba says Knox nearly ruined his life and is suing her for defamation.


    3) The alibi.
    Sollecito could not back up Knox’s alibi on the night of the murder.
    She claimed she spent the evening with him, smoking marijuana, watching the French film Amelie and making love. But Sollecito told police he could not remember if Knox was with him that evening or not.
    Even assuming his memory was hazy because of the drugs, it seemed odd that a young man who had just embarked on a new relationship could not recall whether he had spent the night with his girlfriend or not.

    4) Computer and telephone records.
    Sollecito claimed he used his computer to download and watch cartoons and Amelie. But computer experts told the court that there was no activity on his laptop between 9.10pm on Nov 1, and 5.32am the next morning — the time frame in which the murder took place.
    Knox and Sollecito turned off their mobile phones on the night of the murder, from around 8.40pm, and turned them back on at around 6am, inviting further suspicion.

    5) The staged break-in.
    A bedroom belonging to one of Miss Kercher’s Italian flatmates was ransacked on the night of the murder, with a window smashed with a rock. But police said the break-in was staged - broken glass from the window was found on top of clothes scattered on the floor, suggesting the window was broken after the contents of the room were messed up. Prosecutors accused Knox and her boyfriend of staging the break-in to make the killing look like a burglary that had turned into rape and murder



    So yeah what are yours?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭newballsplease


    In before Henry Handball post


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭5rtytry56


    The type of AH thread gugleguy would post back in the day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Richard Kimble , it worked out for him in the end though

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Bouncers not believing me I'm sober...I just have a really quiet voice :(:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭podgemonster


    silverharp wrote: »
    Richard Kimble , it worked out for him in the end though

    Not exactly, his loving wife stayed dead.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    The size of chocolate bars nowadays.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭EazyD


    razorblunt wrote: »
    The size of chocolate bars nowadays.

    If there's one thing I learned from Halloween this year, it's that confectionary has gone to ****, pretty much all my childhood favourites are muck now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    WarZ wrote: »
    For me it is the Amanda Knox case. The girl could not have been more guilty yet she was painted in the US media as a darling who had been the victim of a medieval like criminal justice system in Italy where suspects are regularly beaten and threatened with rape by Italian police officers.
    What about Rudy Guede? It's undeniable that he was there and extremely probable that he was the one who killed Kercher. So what part did Knox play in it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,098 ✭✭✭Soups123


    The BladeRunner case in South Africa, was a disgusting sentence. The lad killed in pure rage and got off with a few months in prison. Shameful stuff


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    That time when the 84 pulled away from the bus stop, despite the fact that the absolute cunt of a fucker was two minutes early and clearly saw me running towards the bus.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    seamus wrote: »
    What about Rudy Guede? It's undeniable that he was there and extremely probable that he was the one who killed Kercher. So what part did Knox play in it?

    I think Amanda Knox, Guede and Sollicito were all present on the night in question. The knife found in Knox's boyfriend's house matched only one of the three wounds, I think Guede was responsible for the other two wounds.

    All of her actions and statements lead me to believe she is guilty. The alibi that Sollicito claimed he was not sure of, her coerced statement that was repeated the next day by Knox voluntarily (obviously a good lawyer told her she needed to get her statement dropped) the inactivity on the computer, the false accusation, both Knox and Sollicito turning off their phones and on again the following morning in tandem, the relationship between Knox and the victim and of course the testimony of a witness that placed Knox at the crime scene arguing with her boyfriend that was thrown out due to the fact that the witness was a drug addict and thus 'unreliable'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Russian backed rebels getting off with shooting down a civilian airliner


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    I often see the 'man' in this news story when I'm taking a walk by the River Barrow. This bastard gets five months for sexually assaulting a woman and is then free to wander around in the exact place he committed his crimes. He's sexually assaulted more women since then. But if a woman were to carry pepper spray to defend herself she could get five years in jail.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    Martin Sludden and The 2010 Leinster Football Final.

    Unbelievable how such a poor decision could be made and it cost a team a once in a lifetime chance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    Concurrent sentences.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    WarZ wrote: »
    FIVE REASONS KNOX IS GUILTY

    Leave foxy knoxy alone - hot chicks don't kill people:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    For me it would be lots of the stuff that occurred during the conflict here and the sheer double standard that was applied by those who masqueraded as being a power of "law and order"; Blood Sunday would be one thing that springs immediately to mind. Fourteen people who were protesting in their own country against the British Army arresting and imprisoning Irish people without trial were murdered on the streets - they were subsequently lied about and smeared and those who killed them were later decorated by the Queen.

    While the above is one of the most famous examples, people suffered countless abuse and indignities at the hands of an occupying force. I met one woman in Belfast who was blinded after a soldier fired a plastic bullet through her kitchen window which hit her in the face, needless to say nobody was ever held to account for it.

    I know former British soldiers (I work with two) over here who are sound, but when people start banging on about "Helping Heroes" and all that b*llocks it really p*sses me off. It was grand to inflict that sort of thing on Irish people but they wouldn't tolerate half of it in their own country for two seconds.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    Soups123 wrote: »
    The BladeRunner case in South Africa, was a disgusting sentence. The lad killed in pure rage and got off with a few months in prison. Shameful stuff

    I know. There was rumblings that he mightn't get realised on house arrest a few weeks back, and his family complained that it was unfair. Why exactly was it unfair?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭sonny.knowles


    OP is talking bollix.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Any father that finds himself at the "mercy" of the Family Court".


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,599 ✭✭✭sashafierce


    This post has been deleted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    People with 64 convictions, etc who commit crimes while on bail.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭sonny.knowles


    People with 64 convictions, etc who commit crimes while on bail.

    People with 64 convictions that aren't locked up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭Azalea


    It can't be said Knox could not have been more guilty - speculation and fact are different things.
    The thing with Knox was that it *looked* like she could not have been more guilty but when investigated further it wasn't so cut and dry. Rudy Guede also looked extremely guilty.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    But if a woman were to carry pepper spray to defend herself she could get five years in jail.

    its very hard to get sent to jail in Ireland, even harder if its a woman

    there is zero chance of a women getting 5 years in jail for having pepper spray


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    This post has been deleted.
    It's an offensive weapon. You can't be carrying weapons around for self-defence, that's insane.

    Anyway, I didn't actually put up an injustice.

    My one would be the fact that a woman who is carrying a feotus that is known will die at or shortly after birth or will be severely incapacitated for its entire life, is not permitted the humanity of ending the pregnancy at home and instead is left with the choice to either give birth to it, or to travel overseas and leave the remains there.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Soups123 wrote: »
    The BladeRunner case in South Africa, was a disgusting sentence. The lad killed in pure rage and got off with a few months in prison. Shameful stuff

    I agree and I don't agree. I think he killed her in a rage, as you say. But, I don't think the prosecution proved that beyond a reasonable doubt, and for that reason he should have been found not guilty. We can't go locking people up for stuff we can't prove they did. Everything about him says he did it, but you can't convict on a gut feeling and bad impression, imo. It was definitely an injustice, but a much better job could have been done on the case against him.

    I'm glad he got some time in prison at least.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Mods .......... sometimes they are just plain, and obviously, wrong.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    The Hand of Back

    ......even though I'm not a Munster fan.

    .....and yes, I'm quite willing to admit that if an Irish player had done it we'd have celebrated his quick thinking :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Cases of innocent people being sentenced to death, Timothy Evans most famously who was convicted on flimsy grounds for the murder of his baby daughter. In a follow up investigation 15 years later his house tenant finally admitted to the murder.

    The one good thing that arose from the whole affair was that the case sowed the seeds for the abolition of the death penalty in Britain.


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